# Loyalty Points and Isk/Hour **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [February 22, 2019, 6:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/loyalty-points-and-isk-hour/141831 "2019-02-22T18:25:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Aves\_Asio](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aves_asio/32/109488_2.png) [@Aves\_Asio](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aves_Asio)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2019, 11:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/loyalty-points-and-isk-hour/141831/21 "2019-03-07T11:23:35Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > does not work at all. > > Often the orders in steeve site are WAY off. I mean, a 3k isk/lp can be shown as negative isk/lp. > > Plus how do you find best orders ? You open all the webpages ? Life too short to do that ■■■■. You must be using it wrong. 3000 isk/lp ratio will be green and prices even for the required items are up to date. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2019, 11:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/loyalty-points-and-isk-hour/141831/22 "2019-03-07T11:31:22Z")
yes sure, whatever dude. ---
**Author:** ![Aves\_Asio](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aves_asio/32/109488_2.png) [@Aves\_Asio](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aves_Asio)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2019, 11:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/loyalty-points-and-isk-hour/141831/23 "2019-03-07T11:33:39Z")
Show me an example ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2019, 11:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/loyalty-points-and-isk-hour/141831/24 "2019-03-07T11:35:14Z")
No. I sent example to Steeve and he said “market manipulation”. However this example was present for at least a month. So I KNOW some data are off and his site can be subject of targeted attacks. ---
**Author:** ![Aves\_Asio](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aves_asio/32/109488_2.png) [@Aves\_Asio](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aves_Asio)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2019, 11:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/loyalty-points-and-isk-hour/141831/25 "2019-03-07T11:44:57Z")
Site uses ingame data, if someone is manipulating the market then thats gonna reflect on the site. If you dont wanna show an example then i must conclude that you are using it wrong or your own calcualtions are wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2019, 12:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/loyalty-points-and-isk-hour/141831/26 "2019-03-07T12:09:56Z")
> [@Aves\_Asio](#): > > If you dont wanna show an example then i must conclude that you are using it wrong or your own calcualtions are wrong. You don’t deserve to be given an example. I tell you that if you trust his site then you can be subject to targeted attack. Accept it or not, I don’t care. And there was no “market manipulation” when I showed him the data. Doing the value by hand was giving 3k isk/lp, while his site was reporting negative isk/lp. Steeve was notified, he told me why this value was present, basically his ssite can easily be manipulated. ---
**Author:** ![Aves\_Asio](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aves_asio/32/109488_2.png) [@Aves\_Asio](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aves_Asio)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2019, 5:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/loyalty-points-and-isk-hour/141831/27 "2019-03-07T17:07:12Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > basically his ssite can easily be manipulated. Yes i just manipulated it by creating a buy order in jita ---
**Author:** ![Teckos\_Pech](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teckos_pech/32/375283_2.png) [@Teckos\_Pech](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teckos_Pech)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2019, 5:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/loyalty-points-and-isk-hour/141831/28 "2019-03-07T17:31:15Z")
Congratulations you are learning first hand about opportunity and transactions costs. Personally, I just sell to buy orders. For me my opportunity cost of time is such that managing sell orders is not what I want to do. Yes it means I get less ISK/LP, but I am also doing something I find more interesting in the game. Don’t forget the transactions costs… ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2019, 5:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/loyalty-points-and-isk-hour/141831/29 "2019-06-05T17:31:15Z")
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