# Lvl 4 & lvl 5 missions **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [October 9, 2023, 3:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lvl-4-lvl-5-missions/423227 "2023-10-09T15:36:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Doctor\_Nijushiho](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/doctor_nijushiho/32/385189_2.png) [@Doctor\_Nijushiho](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Doctor_Nijushiho)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2023, 1:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lvl-4-lvl-5-missions/423227/176 "2023-11-10T13:59:02Z")
> [@darkestkhan\_Eriker](#): > > Fix is easy for that (prevent blitzing and move burners to LS). What would be the hoped-for outcome from doing this? Surely you don’t believe HS mission runners are going to go to LS and start running burners. It would just take the burners away from them. Is the goal to reduce ISK rewards from HS mission running? Are the ISK rewards at their current level a problem? ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2023, 2:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lvl-4-lvl-5-missions/423227/177 "2023-11-10T14:05:10Z")
> [@Doctor\_Nijushiho](#): > > Surely you don’t believe HS mission runners are going to go to LS and start running burners. It would just take the burners away from them. Exactly. Turn off the “no risk, get rewarded sink.” Move L3 and L4’s to lowsec. Higher the reward, the higher the risk. Or Flag the mission runner (and anyone else) who enters into a L3/L4 mission site in high sec as suspect. ---
**Author:** ![Vuhdo\_Rin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vuhdo_rin/32/378868_2.png) [@Vuhdo\_Rin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vuhdo_Rin)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2023, 2:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lvl-4-lvl-5-missions/423227/178 "2023-11-10T14:09:22Z")
> [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](#): > > Move L3 and L4’s to lowsec. Higher the reward, the higher the risk. > > Or > > Flag the mission runner (and anyone else) who enters into a L3/L4 mission site in high sec as suspect. no ! missions have good reward but low sec, nullsec and WH have still more ! if you cant earn more in other spaces then in HS then which fault is that ? ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2023, 2:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lvl-4-lvl-5-missions/423227/179 "2023-11-10T14:11:32Z")
Because, I think L4 are farmed, and should have their rewards severely nerfed. Or, increase the risk to the player running them. So, if you want more iskies, do riskier things. ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2023, 2:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lvl-4-lvl-5-missions/423227/180 "2023-11-10T14:12:59Z")
I also think high sec miners should pay “environmental impact fees.” For destroying the space environment in high sec. Or, just move all ores and moon goo out of highsec and into low. Oh! Idea. How about this. All clones can run L3/L4 in high sec, but if you enter the site, it flags you suspect. Unless you are an Omega + High Sec Mission Permit holder ™. Now, you may be asking yourself, what is a High Sec Mission Permit? It’s an exciting new service offered by CCP only to omega clones that prevent them from obtaining the suspect flag for entering L3 and L4 mission sites in high sec for an additional low cost of $/€ 5.99/mo! Don’t risk getting space blown up! Obtain your permit now and have peace of mind! ---
**Author:** ![Vuhdo\_Rin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vuhdo_rin/32/378868_2.png) [@Vuhdo\_Rin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vuhdo_Rin)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2023, 2:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lvl-4-lvl-5-missions/423227/181 "2023-11-10T14:27:08Z")
your ideas kill HS and you cant do anything useful in HS ! this results in a major loss of player and CCP will close the servers ! > [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](#): > > I think L4 are farmed, and no other PvE content get farmed ? > [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](#): > > and should have their rewards severely nerfed. the reward is the same as 2012 ! CCP just changed ships to increas the reward ! but you still can do this for all spaces … > [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](#): > > Or, increase the risk to the player running them. HS has risk, less then other spaces but if you dont pay attantion then HS is way riskier then other spaces ! > [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](#): > > I also think high sec miners should pay “environmental impact fees.” W…T…F… no … > [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](#): > > Or, just move all ores and moon goo out of highsec and into low. this result in what ? mining in HS is the most boring and less payed action you can do and why do you want to kill it and push lot of player to leave the game … > [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](#): > > but if you enter the site, it flags you suspect no ! whats the reason ? because youre kill sansha´s, gurista´s, angel´s or what ever pirate comes up ? yes, if its a mission against one of the 4 minor factions ! ( i sassume they wouldnt fly a lot ) > [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](#): > > It’s an exciting new service offered by CCP only to omega clones that prevent them from obtaining the suspect flag for entering L3 and L4 mission sites in high sec for an additional low cost of $/€ 5.99/mo! and there is it xD the real pay to win ^^ ---
**Author:** ![Nicen\_Jehr](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicen_jehr/32/388048_2.png) [@Nicen\_Jehr](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicen_Jehr)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2023, 2:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lvl-4-lvl-5-missions/423227/182 "2023-11-10T14:31:54Z")
years ago I worked with a L5 mission runner. I accepted suitable missions from my own agents and warped their frigate pilot to the mission. I waited while they ran it on their thanatos then I turned in, split rewards and salvaged. This let them cherry pick more high value missions without trashing standings by repeated declines. They kept full rewards for their own missions but gave me the loot and salvage. “suitable” meant safe systems for the thanny and adequate payouts ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2023, 2:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lvl-4-lvl-5-missions/423227/183 "2023-11-10T14:45:10Z")
> [@Vuhdo\_Rin](#): > > and no other PvE content get farmed ? Yes, lots and lots of areas get farmed, but just because some areas _do_ doesn’t mean that it’s okay of L3 and L4 missions _should_ The fact that you think missions should be farmed because null crabbing exists is called “the band wagon fallacy.” And we are discussing missions, not everything else. > [@Vuhdo\_Rin](#): > > the reward is the same as 2012 ! CCP just changed ships to increas the reward ! but you still can do this for all spaces … It’s old, archaic and needs to be modernized for 2023! My idea will generate more revenue for CCP, and increases the presence of pvp in highsec. Which, you know, is the point of a pvp game. Unless you want to pay to opt out. So it’s a win-win for CCP. > [@Vuhdo\_Rin](#): > > W…T…F… no … So you don’t care about the environment? You don’t care about it in a videogame, so obviously you don’t care about it in real life. Shame on you and you wonton destructive attitude towards our environment. > [@Vuhdo\_Rin](#): > > this result in what ? mining in HS is the most boring and less payed action you can do and why do you want to kill it and push lot of player to leave the game … Why would they leave, when you can make it much more exciting by introducing pvp?! I mean, if they are slaving away doing boring crap anyway, farmville is that-a-way → What these people need, is excitement, in the form of possible space ‘splosions! That’s what EvE is about. Unless they want to pay to opt out. See, CCP, you have a real market here to capitalize on! > [@Vuhdo\_Rin](#): > > whats the reason Simple. Increase the possibility of risk and pvp. Oh, and to generate revenue from those risk adverse people who will pay to opt out. Not everything has to have a “lore” reason. > [@Vuhdo\_Rin](#): > > and there is it xD the real pay to win No. It’s pay to avoid. Hard to win something when you’re paying to run away! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2023, 2:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lvl-4-lvl-5-missions/423227/184 "2023-11-10T14:50:20Z")
High-sec is fine as is. There are lots of other areas of the game that probably need more urgent attention… ---
**Author:** ![Vuhdo\_Rin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vuhdo_rin/32/378868_2.png) [@Vuhdo\_Rin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vuhdo_Rin)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2023, 2:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lvl-4-lvl-5-missions/423227/185 "2023-11-10T14:58:38Z")
> [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](#): > > Yes, lots and lots of areas get farmed, but just because some areas _do_ doesn’t mean that it’s okay of L3 and L4 missions _should_ then why is it ok to farm L5 missions ? its part of the thread and youre safer then HS 😉 > [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](#): > > It’s old, archaic and needs to be modernized for 2023! missions working as intented and pretty well ! no need to change this ! > [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](#): > > So you don’t care about the environment? You don’t care about it in a videogame, so obviously you don’t care about it in real life. you compare RL with a fictional space game ? xD for real … > [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](#): > > Why would they leave, when you can make it much more exciting by introducing pvp?! because they are choose to fly missions and not to have fights against other pilots … simple math → you kill their content → they leave → CCP wil shutdown servers because HS is empty ! > [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](#): > > I mean, if they are slaving away doing boring crap anyway nullsec ratting more exciting ? → farmville WH crabbing is more exciting ? → farmville L5 Missions are more exciting ? → farmville general PvE content exciting ? → farmville > [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](#): > > What these people need, is excitement, in the form of possible space ‘splosions! That’s what EvE is about. they still in risk to lose their ship ! does not mean the risk is very high but risk is risk ! > [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](#): > > Simple. Increase the possibility of risk and pvp. then you need to increase the payout a lot ! then it can be accepted for any suspect timer ! > [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](#): > > No. It’s pay to avoid. > > Hard to win something when you’re paying to run away! P2W as its finest … btw … you cant lose anything so you have a 100% win ! ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2023, 3:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lvl-4-lvl-5-missions/423227/186 "2023-11-10T15:16:11Z")
> [@Vuhdo\_Rin](#): > > then why is it ok to farm L5 missions ? its part of the thread and youre safer then HS Proof required. > [@Vuhdo\_Rin](#): > > missions working as intented and pretty well ! no need to change this ! Your opinion doesn’t make it true. Yup, just checked. Still broken. > [@Vuhdo\_Rin](#): > > nullsec ratting more exciting ? → farmville > WH crabbing is more exciting ? → farmville > L5 Missions are more exciting ? → farmville > general PvE content exciting ? → farmville I guess? Why would you go to farmville if these activities are more exciting? > [@Vuhdo\_Rin](#): > > you compare RL with a fictional space game ? xD for real … Of course. Because as we all know, what you do, and how you behave in a video game is exactly the same as RL. This concept has been proven over and over again by many carebears crying in the C&P threads. And since you’re a care bear, you inherently agree with it since they are your allies. > [@Vuhdo\_Rin](#): > > they still in risk to lose their ship ! does not mean the risk is very high but risk is risk ! No. Calculated risk is very different from haphazard risk. Not all risk is equal. That’s the “false equivalency” fallacy. > [@Vuhdo\_Rin](#): > > then you need to increase the payout a lot ! then it can be accepted for any suspect timer ! Nope. Enter site, get suspect. Same payout as 2012, because as you said, the 2012 mechanic is just fine! > [@Vuhdo\_Rin](#): > > because they are choose to fly missions and not to have fights against other pilots … simple math → you kill their content → they leave → CCP wil shutdown servers because HS is empty ! I love the fear mongering. A particularly nice touch of doom-n-gloom, with no evidence to support it. Is this how you win arguments? > [@Vuhdo\_Rin](#): > > P2W as its finest … Nope. Because it isn’t recorded on ZKill as a win. Maybe in clown world. But not here in real life. ---
**Author:** ![Vuhdo\_Rin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vuhdo_rin/32/378868_2.png) [@Vuhdo\_Rin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vuhdo_Rin)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2023, 3:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lvl-4-lvl-5-missions/423227/187 "2023-11-10T15:20:53Z")
> [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](#): > > Enter site, get suspect. Same payout as 2012, because as you said, the 2012 mechanic is just fine! then its no need to have a suspect timer if its perfect 😉 your just have a shitty idea and you cant see it ! doesnt make it better then you need to compare RL with a game. and as you say … stupid idea so youre also stupid ? you sounds like Wesfahrn with his ideas ! and almost everyone has refused his ideas ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2023, 3:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lvl-4-lvl-5-missions/423227/188 "2023-11-10T15:28:10Z")
> [@Vuhdo\_Rin](#): > > your just have a shitty idea and you cant see it ! Bro, calm down. I’m trolling. This is a terrible idea. No need to get all personal! ---
**Author:** ![Vuhdo\_Rin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vuhdo_rin/32/378868_2.png) [@Vuhdo\_Rin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vuhdo_Rin)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2023, 3:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lvl-4-lvl-5-missions/423227/189 "2023-11-10T15:29:31Z")
you just dont want to be called Wesfahrn xD ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2023, 3:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lvl-4-lvl-5-missions/423227/190 "2023-11-10T15:31:41Z")
Well, I don’t spam open threads. But of course, making a suspect flag upon entering a mission site, and exploiting money from the player base to prevent it. That would murder the game. I do think L4’s need a bit of a revamp. New missions, and arcs. Some fun branching paths. Stuff like that. ---
**Author:** ![Vuhdo\_Rin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vuhdo_rin/32/378868_2.png) [@Vuhdo\_Rin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vuhdo_Rin)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2023, 3:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lvl-4-lvl-5-missions/423227/191 "2023-11-10T15:34:42Z")
> [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](#): > > Well, I don’t spam open threads. but you spammed this thread 😜 > [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](#): > > I do think L4’s need a bit of a revamp. New missions, and arcs. Some fun branching paths. Stuff like that. yes, i agree ! additional stuff like burner missions few years ago ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2023, 3:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lvl-4-lvl-5-missions/423227/192 "2023-11-10T15:35:25Z")
> [@Vuhdo\_Rin](#): > > but you spammed this thread Yes, yes I did! ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2023, 10:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lvl-4-lvl-5-missions/423227/193 "2023-11-10T22:16:43Z")
The burner missions were a nice addition, but I also agree that missions as a whole could be expanded upon a bit. ---
**Author:** ![Prometheus\_XRay](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/prometheus_xray/32/389871_2.png) [@Prometheus\_XRay](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Prometheus_XRay)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2023, 12:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lvl-4-lvl-5-missions/423227/194 "2023-11-11T12:42:41Z")
> [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](#): > > Obtain your permit I knew you were “one of those”. CCP needs to rremove ALL CRIMINALS from HS! * * * ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/d/3/2/d3260f19e5a9ab7def5f56af719b7ff35a9cb4b4.gif) * * * > [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](#): > > should have their rewards severely nerfed They’re hardly worth running as it is. > [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](#): > > And we are discussing missions, not everything else. You don’t get to tell other people what comparrisons to use. Null has rats, why can’t HS have something equal? I can make ten times more in Null by ratting. * * * ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2023, 2:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lvl-4-lvl-5-missions/423227/195 "2023-11-11T14:11:06Z")
> [@Prometheus\_XRay](#): > > ALL CRIMINALS from HS! Hi Razorback. > [@Prometheus\_XRay](#): > > You don’t get to tell other people what comparrisons to use. I can see that you struggle with logic. The discussion was about missions in high sec. Dragging in other topics, creates false equivalencies and red herrings that distracts from the discussion and derails it. Also, there is this thing in my country called the 1st amendment. The freedom of speech. Nice try, tho. Null sec Krabber. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lvl-4-lvl-5-missions/423227.md?page=7) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lvl-4-lvl-5-missions/423227.md?page=9)