# Main AFK cloaky thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Player Features & Ideas\ **Created:** [June 21, 2017, 3:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/main-afk-cloaky-thread/4731 "2017-06-21T03:19:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 239
**Author:** ![Manicsar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/manicsar/32/350930_2.png) [@Manicsar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Manicsar)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2019, 2:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/main-afk-cloaky-thread/4731/4899 "2019-04-23T14:44:25Z")
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3LKmjft5TE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3LKmjft5TE) Most people find Eve PvP boring, PvP in Eve is why the game is dying, they need to stop focusing on PvP and develop out Empire Building and Industry. ---
**Author:** ![Angelica\_Dreamstar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/angelica_dreamstar/32/173146_2.png) [@Angelica\_Dreamstar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Angelica_Dreamstar)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2019, 2:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/main-afk-cloaky-thread/4731/4900 "2019-04-23T14:49:22Z")
you can talk all you want on the forums, kiddo, how about you try that ■■■■ on reddit instead and figure out what “most people” are thinking of you. ---
**Author:** ![Bronson\_Hughes](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bronson_hughes/32/189075_2.png) [@Bronson\_Hughes](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bronson_Hughes)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2019, 2:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/main-afk-cloaky-thread/4731/4901 "2019-04-23T14:50:15Z")
> [@Cloaky Camping and the wrong direction](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cloaky-camping-and-the-wrong-direction/154498/1): > > It is easier then ever for NPSI and hunter groups since the last patch. > > 1. Rorqual nerf to survivability and yield. > 2. Carrier nerf to safety and removed ability to apply meaningful damage to subcaps > 3. Fax nerf, haven’t really seen the effects of this in a meaningful battle yet but seem less effective so far in saving well, anything. > 4. Triglavian ships, extreme power, limited supply, Super, Fax and Rorq Killers. Spider Tank, Insane DPS. Able to sig/speed tank Supers/Carriers, Dreads can just move away from. out maneuver, out tank, out dps subcaps. > 5. Cloaky camping killing activity in smaller alliances, larger alliances unable to protect fields. Working as intended. If you need to understand why these changes were necessary, just check the Monthly Economic Reports for the past few years and see how much Delve is outputting in terms of raw ISK and industrial production. CCP meant for nullsec to be potentially more productive than hisec, but not _that much_ more productive. ---
**Author:** ![Manicsar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/manicsar/32/350930_2.png) [@Manicsar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Manicsar)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2019, 2:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/main-afk-cloaky-thread/4731/4902 "2019-04-23T14:52:51Z")
High sec has gotten a lot better and is extremely profitable in terms of Markets, Delve is still going to be way on top, this hurts everyone but Delve. ---
**Author:** ![Manicsar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/manicsar/32/350930_2.png) [@Manicsar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Manicsar)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2019, 2:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/main-afk-cloaky-thread/4731/4903 "2019-04-23T14:55:57Z")
My reddit post are epic ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2019, 3:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/main-afk-cloaky-thread/4731/4904 "2019-04-23T15:53:53Z")
> [@Cloaky Camping and the wrong direction](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cloaky-camping-and-the-wrong-direction/154498/3): > > I think I will just take my money to another game. This time check the web before you randomly select a game that you don’t have the balls to play. ---
**Author:** ![Angelica\_Dreamstar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/angelica_dreamstar/32/173146_2.png) [@Angelica\_Dreamstar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Angelica_Dreamstar)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2019, 4:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/main-afk-cloaky-thread/4731/4906 "2019-04-23T16:46:49Z")
you spelt ■■■■ wrong. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![ISD\_Norros](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_norros/32/249084_2.png) [@ISD\_Norros](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Norros)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2019, 10:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/main-afk-cloaky-thread/4731/4907 "2019-04-23T22:56:08Z")
merged duplicate thread into this one ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2019, 11:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/main-afk-cloaky-thread/4731/4908 "2019-04-23T23:00:49Z")
We’re working on 5k posts, every little bit helps 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Lugburz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugburz/32/517736_2.png) [@Lugburz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugburz)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2019, 1:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/main-afk-cloaky-thread/4731/4909 "2019-04-24T01:03:28Z")
people still mining about afk cloakers not being afk? ---
**Author:** ![Cypr3ss\_Deteis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cypr3ss_deteis/32/392947_2.png) [@Cypr3ss\_Deteis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cypr3ss_Deteis)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2019, 1:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/main-afk-cloaky-thread/4731/4910 "2019-04-24T01:35:08Z")
> [@Manicsar](#): > > but now I must move on Can I have your stuff, please. Thank you for your consideration. Regards, Cypr3ss. ---
**Author:** ![Manicsar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/manicsar/32/350930_2.png) [@Manicsar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Manicsar)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2019, 1:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/main-afk-cloaky-thread/4731/4911 "2019-04-24T01:36:37Z")
Yes you can, putting it all up on public contract in and around YF-P4X ---
**Author:** ![Cypr3ss\_Deteis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cypr3ss_deteis/32/392947_2.png) [@Cypr3ss\_Deteis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cypr3ss_Deteis)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2019, 1:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/main-afk-cloaky-thread/4731/4912 "2019-04-24T01:40:21Z")
**Sweeet!** Just be sure to put a note on it saying “Do NOT Touch!!, Cypr3ss is coming!” otherwise anyone might try & pick it up… u know how the public is 😬 Thanks again. Regards, Cypr3ss. ---
**Author:** ![Manicsar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/manicsar/32/350930_2.png) [@Manicsar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Manicsar)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2019, 2:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/main-afk-cloaky-thread/4731/4913 "2019-04-24T02:00:51Z")
I mean you still got to pay ---
**Author:** ![Hillbert\_Alexis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hillbert_alexis/32/263334_2.png) [@Hillbert\_Alexis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hillbert_Alexis)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2019, 11:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/main-afk-cloaky-thread/4731/4914 "2019-04-24T23:49:35Z")
> [@Jint\_Hikaru](#): > > The WHOLE POINT of a cloak is to make being detected impossible. Can you cite where this is stated by CCP? > [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > We already have a trash can for AFK cloaking whines Of note, I would greatly enjoy being able to personally tag characters on this forum for my own ease of reference. Not ignore or block, just tag for personal logs. > [@Nevyn\_Auscent](#): > > how would you deal with the overabundance of isk & mineral production in Null Changing the respawn rates for ore sites to force people to spread out or downsize their operations? Something similar to belt respawn rates wouldn’t be awful > [@Salt\_Foambreaker](#): > > We’re working on 5k posts Really helps that there’s some regular members of the cloaking status quo shitposter force spamming it up > [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > all proposals to engage the cloaked ship come with unacceptable consequences Foolishness, unacceptable because it imposes a risk? I thought this was eve. Either way without understanding the reasoning for why it’s deemed unacceptable by you as a player, it can never get resolved. So if you could share those reasons, that would assist in getting to a solution ---
**Author:** ![Wander\_Prian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wander_prian/32/394208_2.png) [@Wander\_Prian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wander_Prian)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 12:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/main-afk-cloaky-thread/4731/4915 "2019-04-25T00:03:16Z")
> [@Hillbert\_Alexis](#): > > Foolishness, unacceptable because it imposes a risk? I thought this was eve. > Either way without understanding the reasoning for why it’s deemed unacceptable by you as a player, it can never get resolved. So if you could share those reasons, that would assist in getting to a solution Because any “fix” for AFK-cloaking will break things that are currently working well. The price for making nullsec even safer is too much. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 12:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/main-afk-cloaky-thread/4731/4916 "2019-04-25T00:16:35Z")
> [@Hillbert\_Alexis](#): > > Foolishness, unacceptable because it imposes a risk? I thought this was eve. No, unacceptable things like “makes PvE farming safer when PvE farming is already too safe” or “RNG death instead of legitimate PvP” or similar. I don’t know why you have such a hard time understanding that the problem is not the risk, it’s that your idea for adding risk is terrible. > Either way without understanding the reasoning for why it’s deemed unacceptable by you as a player, it can never get resolved. So if you could share those reasons, that would assist in getting to a solution If you could stop pretending to be illiterate it would also assist. I know you’re capable of reading my answers to this question, so please act like it. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 12:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/main-afk-cloaky-thread/4731/4917 "2019-04-25T00:18:08Z")
To make this nice and simple for you: having a 1% chance per hour of your ship randomly exploding makes undocking risky, but that doesn’t mean it’s a good idea. Nor is “WHY DON’T YOU WANT TO HAVE RISK” a compelling defense of it. ---
**Author:** ![Jint\_Hikaru](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jint_hikaru/32/387656_2.png) [@Jint\_Hikaru](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jint_Hikaru)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 8:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/main-afk-cloaky-thread/4731/4918 "2019-04-25T08:38:00Z")
The WHOLE POINT of a cloak is to make being detected impossible. > [@Hillbert\_Alexis](#): > > Can you cite where this is stated by CCP? Sure, i cite the game cloak mechanics that have been in place since (i presume) the start of the game. Also, (and i haven’t gone through all the ships) but taken from the in game description of the Helios… “Designed for commando and espionage operation, its main strength is the ability to **travel unseen** through enemy territory and to **avoid unfavorable encounters**.” ---
**Author:** ![Jint\_Hikaru](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jint_hikaru/32/387656_2.png) [@Jint\_Hikaru](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jint_Hikaru)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 12:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/main-afk-cloaky-thread/4731/4919 "2019-04-25T12:02:54Z")
> [@Pawiie](#): > > While in essence I agree on this… when an entire REGION is camped… then this starts being more difficult… not impossible… difficult… > Not all alliance have a 50+ super capital umbrella… TO be honest Pawiie, this listing was made in response to Hillbert\_Alexis who was moaning that there is absolutely nothing he could do to a cloaker in ‘his’ system, so therefore all cloaks should be nerfed. Not for an entire region being camped. However if you are claiming a whole region, then really you should have the fleets to protect it??? 😀 While I fully support keeping cloaked vessels hidden and un-scannable, I am not keen on AFK-Cloaking as a gameplay tactic. I would much rather see a way to keep cloakers cloaked but remove the need for having to AFK Cloak. **Which is why i suggested on a number of occasions:** Cloak removes players from local (and denies them Local) If they break cloak for any amount of time they stay in local for a minimum 30 sec then drop out again when they reactivate cloak… This makes cloaks really cloakie, still gives other players Local… Makes it pointless to AFK cloak, and makes it so people have to work to both actively hunt while cloaked and pay attention while ratting. Much like a submarine, the cloaker has to make themselves visible/detectable to gain intel on the local system. He can warp from belt to belt, but if he wants to probe, or check on the local channel to see how many people are in system, then he must break cloak. This gives the residents the time to spot him, if they are paying attention. Here we make: AFK-Cloaking pointless Active Cloakers can catch botters Even system defenders can use cloaks to hide their defense ships. Anyway, the idea will be shot down by the null-bears, and Botters. They want all cloaks nerfed on the pretext that AFK is bad mkay! [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/main-afk-cloaky-thread/4731.md?page=238) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/main-afk-cloaky-thread/4731.md?page=240)