# Main AFK cloaky thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Player Features & Ideas\ **Created:** [June 21, 2017, 3:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/main-afk-cloaky-thread/4731 "2017-06-21T03:19:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 6954
**Author:** ![Skriven\_Penshar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/skriven_penshar/32/249904_2.png) [@Skriven\_Penshar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Skriven_Penshar)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2020, 6:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/main-afk-cloaky-thread/4731/6954 "2020-11-25T18:18:26Z")
This answer right here > [@CSM15 ONLY: What is your position on AFK Cloaking?](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm15-only-what-is-your-position-on-afk-cloaking/250611/29): > > @Mike_Azariah AFK Cloaking is the counter to perfect safety through local. Baiting, which is ultimately a sign that you can defend your system, is the counter to AFK Cloaking. When you can’t form a bait-fleet, you can’t form a defense fleet in case of an attack. When you can’t bait, then you can’t defend the system. When you can’t defend the system, you’re not entitled to keeping it. When you can’t defend the system, it raises the question how you got it in the first place. When you paid … The counter to AFK cloaking takes work and effort. Just as @Daichi_Yamato points out, and obviously does in his system. Nothing worthwhile is ever easy. Case in point…This morning I’m in a system with a couple other people in local. One ratter with 5.0 status and one not so nice person with -1.9. I scan down 4 Sansha relic sites in the system and while doing so the carebear leaves local. Not it’s just me, Mr. Not-So-Nice and 4 relic sites. 4! No one showing up on d-scan, no one home in any of the player owned structures, and no stations in the system. So someone is out here with me, cloaked up like me. What do I do to counter this potential AFK cloaker? I can’t tell if they are AFK or VMAK (Very much at keyboard) Hop over to Zkill, clickety click. OH! A sabre pilot with a lot of Astero and explorer kills. Most solo. Find a loss of his sabre…he fits an improved cloak. Means he can’t warp cloaked, I can see him coming on d-scan. He also fits a couple scrams and and interdiction probe launcher. Now if I knew he was AFK I could just hack all the sites, and laugh my way to the next system. Or I could try one site, and hope it’s not the site he’s camping so that I can see him coming and GTFO. I warp to the best site at 100km, decloak and MWD away to see if I can draw him out. No luck. In the end I hop into the next 4 systems, all alone in local and hack 4 sites in relative safety. Problem solved. Actually there never was a problem to begin with. --- _[View the full topic](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/main-afk-cloaky-thread/4731)._