# Make Ganking/Criminal Activity Illegal in HS Plus other Complaints **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [January 17, 2021, 2:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/make-ganking-criminal-activity-illegal-in-hs-plus-other-complaints/290573 "2021-01-17T14:35:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Aaaarrgg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aaaarrgg/32/395089_2.png) [@Aaaarrgg](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aaaarrgg)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2021, 6:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/make-ganking-criminal-activity-illegal-in-hs-plus-other-complaints/290573/81 "2021-01-20T06:36:11Z")
Oh yeah i forgot about insurance payments 🙂 so even if you failed a a gank you still made a profit. those were the days . ---
**Author:** ![Gor\_Rig\_Knack](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gor_rig_knack/32/251617_2.png) [@Gor\_Rig\_Knack](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gor_Rig_Knack)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2021, 4:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/make-ganking-criminal-activity-illegal-in-hs-plus-other-complaints/290573/82 "2021-01-21T16:18:32Z")
no i amm not an alt just someone who is fed up with dickheads spoilng my fun for the sake of their on pervers nature and it does not help the game when people start to leave who do these people gank then themselves how loing will that last ---
**Author:** ![Gor\_Rig\_Knack](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gor_rig_knack/32/251617_2.png) [@Gor\_Rig\_Knack](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gor_Rig_Knack)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2021, 4:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/make-ganking-criminal-activity-illegal-in-hs-plus-other-complaints/290573/83 "2021-01-21T16:20:31Z")
exactly, that’s the ppoint i am trying to make ---
**Author:** ![Aaaarrgg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aaaarrgg/32/395089_2.png) [@Aaaarrgg](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aaaarrgg)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2021, 4:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/make-ganking-criminal-activity-illegal-in-hs-plus-other-complaints/290573/84 "2021-01-21T16:21:32Z")
> [@Gor\_Rig\_Knack](#): > > no i amm not an alt just someone who is fed up with dickheads spoilng my fun for the sake of their on pervers nature you undocked so you consented to PVP, thats EVE. > [@Gor\_Rig\_Knack](#): > > it does not help the game when people start to leave people leave every day, mostly due to boredom from mindlessly pveing , we aim to stop people leaving by waking them up. ---
**Author:** ![Gor\_Rig\_Knack](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gor_rig_knack/32/251617_2.png) [@Gor\_Rig\_Knack](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gor_Rig_Knack)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2021, 4:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/make-ganking-criminal-activity-illegal-in-hs-plus-other-complaints/290573/85 "2021-01-21T16:25:18Z")
being responsible has nothing to do with itm it is simply trash scum or what ever you want to call them who are simply just deliberately destroying other peoples fun and enjoyment from this great game. why is it so wrong to want to apply morals to a game sandbox or not just because criminal activity is allowed sure laws have to be applied at some point not what the medium. also how are people supposed to defend them selves when suicide gankers appear on mass and still manage to destro at times very expensive ships regardless how how quick concord appear. No something must be done or it will lose the good people of this game and end up with a tarneshed reputation as a company that doesn’t care about it’s players as ccp in my opinion seem to be displaying right now ---
**Author:** ![Aaaarrgg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aaaarrgg/32/395089_2.png) [@Aaaarrgg](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aaaarrgg)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2021, 4:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/make-ganking-criminal-activity-illegal-in-hs-plus-other-complaints/290573/86 "2021-01-21T16:32:50Z")
> [@Gor\_Rig\_Knack](#): > > being responsible has nothing to do with itm it is simply trash scum or what ever you want to call them who are simply just deliberately destroying other peoples fun and enjoyment from this great game the destroying the afk “trash scum” is the fun part of eve > [@Gor\_Rig\_Knack](#): > > why is it so wrong to want to apply morals to a game sandbox or not just because criminal activity is allowed sure laws have to be applied at some point Can i introduce you to the Code, James 315 has already introduced a Code of morals, conduct and Law into EVE. [MinerBumping.com: The Code](http://www.minerbumping.com/p/the-code.html) > [@Gor\_Rig\_Knack](#): > > how are people supposed to defend them selves when suicide gankers appear on mass and still manage to destro at times very expensive ships regardless how how quick concord appear well you could follow the Code, maybe even not go afk and warp out before the gankers land. I hear tanks are good for survival also. Shooting and jamming the gankers is also an option but again would need to not be afk. > [@Gor\_Rig\_Knack](#): > > No something must be done or it will lose the good people of this game and end up with a tarneshed reputation as a company that doesn’t care about it’s players as ccp in my opinion seem to be displaying right now translates as _“wont someone think of the children”_ also i think you will find most of the "good people " in eve are the ones doing the ganking ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2021, 4:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/make-ganking-criminal-activity-illegal-in-hs-plus-other-complaints/290573/87 "2021-01-21T16:34:24Z")
> [@Gor\_Rig\_Knack](#): > > why is it so wrong to want to apply morals to a game sandbox Because they are diametrically opposed goals. Also, whose morals are you wishing to apply? ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2021, 4:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/make-ganking-criminal-activity-illegal-in-hs-plus-other-complaints/290573/88 "2021-01-21T16:40:30Z")
> [@Tursiops\_Truncatus](#): > > They are exploiting the game mechanics which is no different than what the bot cheates do. I’m not sure: is this sarcasm, am I getting trolled or are you serious? ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2021, 5:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/make-ganking-criminal-activity-illegal-in-hs-plus-other-complaints/290573/89 "2021-01-21T17:28:40Z")
The wise man Nicolai Serkanner used to say … … ■■■■ off. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2021, 5:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/make-ganking-criminal-activity-illegal-in-hs-plus-other-complaints/290573/90 "2021-01-21T17:33:13Z")
![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/f/f/ffa310ce0851cd8784f88816a78d9d4e6c90a270.png) “Lord PainGiver” gave a Like. Doesn’t have a killboard. Always this irony with carebears picking names that in no way or form fit them. Delusional wannabes. OP’s killboard, for those interested … [Gor Rig Knack | Character | zKillboard](https://zkillboard.com/character/2113221958/) To save you the time … he lost a POCO some days ago. Last loss before that was in 2020. No kills. D’uh. > [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > I’m not sure: is this sarcasm, am I getting trolled or are you serious? Just in case you didn’t catch up on that: Balos. ---
**Author:** ![Gor\_Rig\_Knack](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gor_rig_knack/32/251617_2.png) [@Gor\_Rig\_Knack](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gor_Rig_Knack)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2021, 5:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/make-ganking-criminal-activity-illegal-in-hs-plus-other-complaints/290573/91 "2021-01-21T17:48:37Z")
general, is it wrong to employ morals of any kind. surely illegal activvity is wrong whether it’s in a game or not if this were a fps and a sand box are you saying that rape should be condoned just because everything else is ? ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2021, 5:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/make-ganking-criminal-activity-illegal-in-hs-plus-other-complaints/290573/92 "2021-01-21T17:49:49Z")
> [@Gor\_Rig\_Knack](#): > > want to apply morals The only people who need morals are those who feel no empathy … … because without empathy guiding them … … they require someone to tell them how not to behave. They’re _your_ morals, not ours. Most people don’t give a ■■■■ about some moral standards defined _by someone else_ … _(you did not come up with your own)_ … and forced onto everyone by social pressure, or worse, by law. You might share some, or all of them with people who live with or around you, but the rest of the world has no need, desire or interest in your morals. Only you _believe_ that they’re good, but they’re actually _relative_. You can not treat them as objective truth everyone has to follow, otherwise you’re getting close to _fascism_. You want _everyone_ to behave in certain ways, or not to behave in certain ways, limitting the freedom of invididuals. Furthermore do you need to understand … this is _a game!_ Your complaining makes it look like you can’t seperate reality from fiction. Gankers aren’t evil, they’re playing the game as intended. Their behaviour might not fit into what you believe is “good”, but that doesn’t make it _bad_. It only makes you _believe_ it’s bad, but it isn’t. You mistakenly believe that the people playing a game the way it’s meant to be played are _bad_ people. So please take your morals … … _and_ your delusions … … and remember what Nicolai said. ---
**Author:** ![Gor\_Rig\_Knack](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gor_rig_knack/32/251617_2.png) [@Gor\_Rig\_Knack](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gor_Rig_Knack)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2021, 5:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/make-ganking-criminal-activity-illegal-in-hs-plus-other-complaints/290573/93 "2021-01-21T17:51:54Z")
no i will not and i am not a fascist and never will be and just because you don’t care about the rights of others doesn’t mean people like me shouldn’t ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2021, 5:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/make-ganking-criminal-activity-illegal-in-hs-plus-other-complaints/290573/94 "2021-01-21T17:52:18Z")
So what about the rights of gankers to play the game as it is intended? ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2021, 5:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/make-ganking-criminal-activity-illegal-in-hs-plus-other-complaints/290573/95 "2021-01-21T17:53:50Z")
> [@Solstice\_Projekt](#): > > Just in case you didn’t catch up on that: Balos. I’m not so sure. It would explain why I can’t tell the difference between trolling and sarcasm in that post, but I used to recognise new Balos alts pretty easily and this one really seems different. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2021, 5:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/make-ganking-criminal-activity-illegal-in-hs-plus-other-complaints/290573/96 "2021-01-21T17:54:55Z")
Bit of a leap there. Im saying to some people its moral to kill thieves. I have an example relevent to your emotional strawmanning but its inappropriate for this forum. I note you also ignored my stance that it is impossible to build a sandbox style game, then employ morals as a limitation. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2021, 5:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/make-ganking-criminal-activity-illegal-in-hs-plus-other-complaints/290573/97 "2021-01-21T17:55:44Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > It would explain why I can’t tell the difference between trolling and sarcasm in that post, but I used to recognise new Balos alts pretty easily and this one really seems different. I know, right? Of course it could just be a coincidence. Send me a mail in-game about this, then I’ll explain it to you next time I log in. I ask for the mail because I’m going to forget otherwise. Also I’m wondering how conviniently that fascist asshole is going to forget about the rights of the gankers to play the game as intended, but we all know that arguing is useless anyway exactly _because_ they’re fascist assholes who want to force everyone else into the norms they themselves have been forced into. ---
**Author:** ![Kelon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kelon/32/436470_2.png) [@Kelon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kelon)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2021, 6:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/make-ganking-criminal-activity-illegal-in-hs-plus-other-complaints/290573/98 "2021-01-21T18:12:30Z")
> [@Solstice\_Projekt](#): > > he lost a POCO some days ago. It wasn’t even a POCO, it was an MTU. @Pix_Severus has taught me MTU’s are space trash that must be cleaned up. It’s our duty as responsible citizens. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2021, 6:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/make-ganking-criminal-activity-illegal-in-hs-plus-other-complaints/290573/99 "2021-01-21T18:22:44Z")
MTU. Right. My bad. And yeah, he’s right! ---
**Author:** ![Mevatla\_Vekraspek](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mevatla_vekraspek/32/377519_2.png) [@Mevatla\_Vekraspek](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mevatla_Vekraspek)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2021, 6:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/make-ganking-criminal-activity-illegal-in-hs-plus-other-complaints/290573/100 "2021-01-21T18:42:44Z")
> [@Gor\_Rig\_Knack](#): > > who are simply just deliberately destroying other peoples fun and enjoyment from this great game. Yes, that’s the point of this game you know, from ‘be the villain’ to ‘build your dreams, wreck their dreams’. 17 years of Eve Online and people still don’t get it. [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/8/1/81a95f1e39c2c5ede226834f7bbafdb11f032eda.jpeg "EVE Online - The Pirate Underworld #myEVEstory") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cs13usXnObw) > [@Gor\_Rig\_Knack](#): > > No something must be done or it will lose the good people of this game and end up with a tarneshed reputation as a company that doesn’t care about it’s players as ccp in my opinion seem to be displaying right now As i said, 17 years… you are late buddy. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/make-ganking-criminal-activity-illegal-in-hs-plus-other-complaints/290573.md?page=4) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/make-ganking-criminal-activity-illegal-in-hs-plus-other-complaints/290573.md?page=6)