# Make security status proportional to Concord reaction time **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [June 8, 2021, 8:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/make-security-status-proportional-to-concord-reaction-time/315432 "2021-06-08T20:34:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Rocket\_Hellfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rocket_hellfire/32/396905_2.png) [@Rocket\_Hellfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rocket_Hellfire)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2021, 3:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/make-security-status-proportional-to-concord-reaction-time/315432/21 "2021-06-09T15:13:29Z")
It’s already proportional to the system security status. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2021, 3:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/make-security-status-proportional-to-concord-reaction-time/315432/22 "2021-06-09T15:46:17Z")
> [@tutucox\_Khamsi](#): > > go to zkill > type skiff > see the lack of skiffs killed > close topic log in to Eve warp to Ore Fields see the lack of resources leave game ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2021, 4:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/make-security-status-proportional-to-concord-reaction-time/315432/23 "2021-06-09T16:07:27Z")
> [@Jhousetlin\_Zamayid](#): > > There is no evidence that ganking makes people quit the game (at least in statistically significant numbers). > > CCP’s own analysis shows the opposite. Gonna disagree with that myth once again for the millionth time. CCP’s latest analysis shown in ‘2019 Beyond The Friendship Machine’ states that the ‘Magic Moment’ of when a new player decides to stay or quit is when they experience their first devastating ship loss. Those who do not belong to a social circle are more inclined to quit whereas those who do belong to a social circle are more inclined to stay. Mainly due to getting support from the group to: 1. Understand what happened 2. Quickly recover from the ship loss 3. Get revenge. Here’s the numbers CCP Hellmar listed in that 2019 presentation: ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/e/8/e858ad655f8ca7eb7293921fd5282927fe3492e0.png) ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2021, 4:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/make-security-status-proportional-to-concord-reaction-time/315432/24 "2021-06-09T16:12:49Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > log in to Eve > warp to Ore Fields > see the lack of resources > leave game ok im with you in that i like wen the asteroid belts have… like… asteroids ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2021, 4:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/make-security-status-proportional-to-concord-reaction-time/315432/25 "2021-06-09T16:15:25Z")
And yes, I agree with the OP. A high security status should provide faster Concord Response Time. ---
**Author:** ![Trevor\_Dalech](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/trevor_dalech/32/410287_2.png) [@Trevor\_Dalech](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Trevor_Dalech)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2021, 4:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/make-security-status-proportional-to-concord-reaction-time/315432/26 "2021-06-09T16:37:22Z")
> [@Shaigh](#): > > Suggest that CCP make a pilot’s acquired security status propotional to Concord’s reaction time… The higher a pilot’s security status, the faster Concord reacts if they are attacked… I think you mean _inversely_ proportional… However, _proportional_ actually does sound like a fun idea. Newbies have a sec status of 0, so CONCORD arrives instantly, but if you rat enough and push your sec status op to 5.0, CONCORD becomes slower and slower. This would protect the newbies, but would solve the carebear problem where folks endlessly grind in high sec… now they’d _have_ to do some pvp occasionally! ---
**Author:** ![Kaivarian\_Coste](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kaivarian_coste/32/413759_2.png) [@Kaivarian\_Coste](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kaivarian_Coste)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2021, 4:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/make-security-status-proportional-to-concord-reaction-time/315432/27 "2021-06-09T16:46:56Z")
I think this mechanic sorta exists with NPC mining fleets. If your standing is high enough with an NPC fleet, they’ll help you when you’re attacked. ---
**Author:** ![Jhousetlin\_Zamayid](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jhousetlin_zamayid/32/276098_2.png) [@Jhousetlin\_Zamayid](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jhousetlin_Zamayid)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2021, 5:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/make-security-status-proportional-to-concord-reaction-time/315432/28 "2021-06-09T17:05:36Z")
This doesn’t refute anything I said. All you’ve done is elaborate upon it and add another factor. That factor in no way shape or form repudiates the validity of my previous claims. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2021, 5:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/make-security-status-proportional-to-concord-reaction-time/315432/29 "2021-06-09T17:19:44Z")
If you actually viewed the ‘2019 Beyond The Friendship Machine’ presentation then you’d know it does indeed refute your statement… ---
**Author:** ![Jhousetlin\_Zamayid](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jhousetlin_zamayid/32/276098_2.png) [@Jhousetlin\_Zamayid](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jhousetlin_Zamayid)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2021, 5:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/make-security-status-proportional-to-concord-reaction-time/315432/30 "2021-06-09T17:36:34Z")
Give me a timestamp to the part where my statements are refuted, or sit down. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2021, 5:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/make-security-status-proportional-to-concord-reaction-time/315432/31 "2021-06-09T17:43:44Z")
Since you won’t watch the presentation I suggest you follow your own advice. ---
**Author:** ![Jhousetlin\_Zamayid](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jhousetlin_zamayid/32/276098_2.png) [@Jhousetlin\_Zamayid](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jhousetlin_Zamayid)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2021, 5:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/make-security-status-proportional-to-concord-reaction-time/315432/32 "2021-06-09T17:44:36Z")
Consider yourself sat back down. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2021, 5:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/make-security-status-proportional-to-concord-reaction-time/315432/33 "2021-06-09T17:46:50Z")
Consider yourself refuted and rebuked. 😅 🤣 😂 ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Epeen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_epeen/32/373308_2.png) [@Mr\_Epeen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Epeen)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2021, 5:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/make-security-status-proportional-to-concord-reaction-time/315432/34 "2021-06-09T17:49:50Z")
> [@Jhousetlin\_Zamayid](#): > > Give me a timestamp to the part where my statements are refuted, or sit down. Give me a hint as to which banned character’s alt you are. Mr Epeen 🕶 ---
**Author:** ![Edd\_miner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/edd_miner/32/276808_2.png) [@Edd\_miner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Edd_miner)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2021, 6:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/make-security-status-proportional-to-concord-reaction-time/315432/35 "2021-06-09T18:54:28Z")
> [@Shaigh](#): > > I think it would give disadvantaged solo players a means to build up some protection from the gangs of gankers in High Sec who are running them out of the game… I can do reasoning opposite to what u wrote, and its also logical. Concord reaction time is good how it is now, about newbies they gonna lost 1st ship sooner or later, even if u make concord react even in 10 sec in whole hi-sec, at some point they gonna lost A LOT MORE, and MORE PROBABLY uninstal this game. Edit: This a bit of thrill when ur cargo is getting scanned, when u see bombers in Uedama is what makes hi-sec lively. With perfectly safe and sound hi-sec u would just autopilot ur 100B cargo ship and go play another game meanwhile - its a boredoom ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2021, 7:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/make-security-status-proportional-to-concord-reaction-time/315432/36 "2021-06-09T19:56:57Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > Competent miners love ganking because it blows the competition away. This^^ > [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > Gonna disagree with that myth once again for the millionth time. And for the millionth time, that ‘magic moment’ information doesn’t contradict the older data. It’s still not ganking but solo play that affect retention. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2021, 8:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/make-security-status-proportional-to-concord-reaction-time/315432/37 "2021-06-09T20:22:03Z")
And for the millionth and one time, watch the 2019 presentation by Hilmar instead of constantly trying to propagate that little 5 minute BS presentation by CCP Rice from 5 yrs earlier. ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2021, 8:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/make-security-status-proportional-to-concord-reaction-time/315432/38 "2021-06-09T20:30:43Z")
> [@Shaigh](#): > > Dude, you know that’s happening alot… I’m still waiting on the citation for this. If it’s happening a lot, you should have plenty of examples to provide. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2021, 8:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/make-security-status-proportional-to-concord-reaction-time/315432/39 "2021-06-09T20:34:15Z")
We went through this the last time. The ‘magic moment’ says nothing about more or less players staying because of ship loss. It just says it is the decisive moment. Watch it again and write a transcript. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2021, 8:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/make-security-status-proportional-to-concord-reaction-time/315432/40 "2021-06-09T20:37:54Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > It just says it is the decisive moment. Of when new players decide to stay or quit. Hilmar then goes on to say that new players are more inclined to stay if they have a social circle / support group in Eve to help them **understand what happened, quickly recover from the loss and get revenge**. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/make-security-status-proportional-to-concord-reaction-time/315432.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/make-security-status-proportional-to-concord-reaction-time/315432.md?page=3)