# Making 500m an hour with low sp and cheap ships **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Tags:** pve\ **Created:** [July 9, 2022, 1:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/making-500m-an-hour-with-low-sp-and-cheap-ships/369626 "2022-07-09T13:09:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![ResonanceOfWar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/resonanceofwar/32/408654_2.png) [@ResonanceOfWar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ResonanceOfWar)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2022, 1:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/making-500m-an-hour-with-low-sp-and-cheap-ships/369626/1 "2022-07-09T13:09:20Z")
NOT VIABLE ANYMORE DUE TO LOSS OF SOCIAL BOOSTER AND CCP SAID IN THE FW ROUND TABLE THEY ARE NOT BRINGING IT BACK SO SCROLL TO THE BOTTOM OF THIS AND LOOK FOR C5 WOLF RAYET FLEETS GET GOOD ISK + SOME FLEET FIGHTS. IGNORE BELOW **REDACTED** P.s. Why the hell am I capsing O\_o ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2022, 7:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/making-500m-an-hour-with-low-sp-and-cheap-ships/369626/2 "2022-07-09T19:43:44Z")
> [@ResonanceOfWar](#): > > if more people are able to earn a decent income then more people will get out and pvp more That’s not how things work around here. ---
**Author:** ![ResonanceOfWar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/resonanceofwar/32/408654_2.png) [@ResonanceOfWar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ResonanceOfWar)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2022, 7:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/making-500m-an-hour-with-low-sp-and-cheap-ships/369626/3 "2022-07-09T19:47:16Z")
What do you think would get people to take more risks and pvp more? What about an ingame score board that works differently to zkill where points are removed for cowardice 10v1 and so on. I think the problem with zkill is that it promotes gate camping and blobbing. ---
**Author:** ![Vokan\_Narkar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vokan_narkar/32/326293_2.png) [@Vokan\_Narkar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vokan_Narkar)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2022, 8:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/making-500m-an-hour-with-low-sp-and-cheap-ships/369626/4 "2022-07-09T20:00:25Z")
I can see only one way how to do this and that is not losing your ship when you lose. Which is nonsense of course. But yes I believe this is main reason that players are avoiding PvP or why PvP is so unfair in this game. So yes, I agree with Destiny, earning more money won’t change a thing, carebears will still crab it. Maybe they plex another multibox account so they can crab it more. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2022, 8:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/making-500m-an-hour-with-low-sp-and-cheap-ships/369626/5 "2022-07-09T20:01:26Z")
> [@ResonanceOfWar](#): > > What do you think would get people to take more risks and pvp more? Nothing. These people aren’t here to PvP and feed you excitement. They’re here to relax and enjoy their PvE game after a hard day of work and dealing with the wife and kids, and you’re getting in the way of that. > [@ResonanceOfWar](#): > > What about an ingame score board that works differently to zkill where points are removed for cowardice 10v1 and so on. They don’t care about cowardice. Many are in fact proud of it, and view avoiding confrontation as a competitive achievement. > [@ResonanceOfWar](#): > > I think the problem with zkill is that it promotes gate camping and blobbing. Most of those people aren’t aware that zKill even exists. ---
**Author:** ![ResonanceOfWar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/resonanceofwar/32/408654_2.png) [@ResonanceOfWar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ResonanceOfWar)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2022, 8:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/making-500m-an-hour-with-low-sp-and-cheap-ships/369626/6 "2022-07-09T20:05:18Z")
> [@Vokan\_Narkar](#): > > I can see only one way how to do this and that is not losing your ship when you lose. Which is nonsense of course. But yes I believe this is main reason that players are avoiding PvP or why PvP is so unfair in this game. But earning money is the same as having many ship’s so one loss means nothing imo. > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Nothing. These people aren’t here to PvP and feed you excitement. They’re here to relax and enjoy their PvE game after a hard day of work and dealing with the wife and kids, and you’re getting in the way of that. I mean that is fair for lets say high sec, but the rest of the players? They are choosing to live in a more dangerous zone its like signing an agreement for pvp. ---
**Author:** ![Vokan\_Narkar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vokan_narkar/32/326293_2.png) [@Vokan\_Narkar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vokan_Narkar)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2022, 8:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/making-500m-an-hour-with-low-sp-and-cheap-ships/369626/7 "2022-07-09T20:14:41Z")
> [@ResonanceOfWar](#): > > But earning money is the same as having many ship’s so one loss means nothing imo. First of all, losing sucks. Especially if you lose “unfair” like being ganked, blobbed, hotdropped (special mention to getting scammed). And even if you have money, you need to replace your loss. Now, if you are staged at Jita, sure that is not a problem. It probably won’t be a problem for nullsec corps either. But if you are staged in abandoned hs/ls where is no market, then losing your ship really sucks. It is really psychology. Risk, specifically chance to lose everything, is good as it raises the stakes and brings adrenaline. But what it really does in the end is that the both the joy from win an rage from loss are multiplied exponentially. ---
**Author:** ![ResonanceOfWar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/resonanceofwar/32/408654_2.png) [@ResonanceOfWar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ResonanceOfWar)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2022, 8:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/making-500m-an-hour-with-low-sp-and-cheap-ships/369626/8 "2022-07-09T20:16:16Z")
> [@Vokan\_Narkar](#): > > But if you are staged in abandoned hs/ls where is no market, then losing your ship really sucks. Yea the game would be amazing if it had much more good market places, especially in low as well. Would bring much more life to the universe. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Epeen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_epeen/32/373308_2.png) [@Mr\_Epeen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Epeen)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2022, 8:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/making-500m-an-hour-with-low-sp-and-cheap-ships/369626/9 "2022-07-09T20:32:06Z")
> [@ResonanceOfWar](#): > > Yea the game would be amazing if it had much more good market places, Here’s the thing about a sandbox. Nothing is stopping you from gathering some friends and making that a reality. Mr Epeen 🕶 ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2022, 8:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/making-500m-an-hour-with-low-sp-and-cheap-ships/369626/10 "2022-07-09T20:40:29Z")
> [@ResonanceOfWar](#): > > I mean that is fair for lets say high sec, but the rest of the players? They are choosing to live in a more dangerous zone its like signing an agreement for pvp. Just because you live in non-high-sec doesn’t mean you consent to be griefed by PvPers in a PvE sandbox game. You think players mining or running anomalies in null-sec are there to lose their ships to you? They’re there to do content in their PvE game, and you’re interfering with that. I don’t know how many times I need to repeat this before you finally understand it. ---
**Author:** ![ResonanceOfWar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/resonanceofwar/32/408654_2.png) [@ResonanceOfWar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ResonanceOfWar)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2022, 8:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/making-500m-an-hour-with-low-sp-and-cheap-ships/369626/11 "2022-07-09T20:54:13Z")
I’m obviously not talking about miners and people running pve site’s dont be silly. There is no challenge in that. Those people mining and doing anom’s don’t only do mining and anom’s otherwise they would get super bored. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2022, 9:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/making-500m-an-hour-with-low-sp-and-cheap-ships/369626/12 "2022-07-09T21:51:28Z")
Have you ever read the forums? Bourne witness to an Orca fleet or a mission krab? Or any kind of krab? Thats all they ever do. Abyssmal krabs are the worst. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2022, 11:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/making-500m-an-hour-with-low-sp-and-cheap-ships/369626/13 "2022-07-09T23:17:30Z")
> [@ResonanceOfWar](#): > > Those people mining and doing anom’s don’t only do mining and anom’s otherwise they would get super bored. LOL ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2022, 11:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/making-500m-an-hour-with-low-sp-and-cheap-ships/369626/14 "2022-07-09T23:41:24Z")
> [@Alpha clone suicide ganking - plague of EVE](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/34): > > i will be hardcore frank here > most people have > Loss aversion bias > ![7134c2c3-1b3c-439a-beea-d7cd1d96ae79_599x469](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/0/f/a/0fa7f02e7d4cd86012940c07bc8e79b31b4d2193.png) > > as you can see in this chart > > that means that even in a brutal game like EVE the great majority of the players are bitches > > the few who are not probably have gambling problems I don’t want anybody else When I think about me I quote myself 🎵:partyparrot: ---
**Author:** ![Adm\_Malkaviano](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/adm_malkaviano/32/496610_2.png) [@Adm\_Malkaviano](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Adm_Malkaviano)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2022, 2:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/making-500m-an-hour-with-low-sp-and-cheap-ships/369626/15 "2022-07-10T02:53:28Z")
Seize this man, he touches himself! 🫣 ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2022, 3:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/making-500m-an-hour-with-low-sp-and-cheap-ships/369626/16 "2022-07-10T03:01:24Z")
> [@Adm\_Malkaviano](#): > > Seize this man, he touches himself! 🫣 this is in your mind i said > [@tutucox\_Khamsi](#): > > I quote myself 🎵 :partyparrot: ---
**Author:** ![ResonanceOfWar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/resonanceofwar/32/408654_2.png) [@ResonanceOfWar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ResonanceOfWar)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2022, 6:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/making-500m-an-hour-with-low-sp-and-cheap-ships/369626/17 "2022-07-10T06:58:57Z")
That graph is only accurate for the first 50-100h of play then the losses hurt less and the victories feel better. The graph itself needs a graph to plot its change over time. Is that even possible thou? ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2022, 7:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/making-500m-an-hour-with-low-sp-and-cheap-ships/369626/18 "2022-07-10T07:06:49Z")
im my interpretation every 2 of happy = 1 of sad ± so most people prefer never risk get 1 sad than going for 1 happy or something … ---
**Author:** ![ResonanceOfWar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/resonanceofwar/32/408654_2.png) [@ResonanceOfWar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ResonanceOfWar)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2022, 7:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/making-500m-an-hour-with-low-sp-and-cheap-ships/369626/19 "2022-07-10T07:12:58Z")
Let’s say sad = x ; happy = y x depends on the cost of your ship vs the total real life hours of farm needed to get it. y depends on risk and challenge and if you are successful or not. So naturally if you make 60m isk an hour and you loose 1 ship worth 60m then that ship is as painful as loosing 1h of your time. If you are making 600m isk an hour than its only as painful as loosing 6 minutes. So that takes the equation of x = 2y to 3x = y And makes the whole pvp experience better for people. This is also why I’m very happy that CCP is working on faction warfare, the avg ship cost is much less than normal pvp ship’s. Which helps this x = 2y problem. With cheaper ship’s needed for a good fight with a decent income and Eve will be a much more healthy place. I think when Faction Warfare finally comes out our population numbers will go up a lot. Let’s call it the x = 2y Problem An Eve Golden Age hopefully. And no that doesn’t mean Amarr Victory 😂 ---
**Author:** ![Jumpdrive](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jumpdrive/32/285032_2.png) [@Jumpdrive](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jumpdrive)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2022, 7:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/making-500m-an-hour-with-low-sp-and-cheap-ships/369626/20 "2022-07-10T07:29:34Z")
Anomic teams are no big secret. It’s old content. Shouldn’t be news to any regular over here. You’ll soon get bored of doing them over and over. [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/making-500m-an-hour-with-low-sp-and-cheap-ships/369626.md?page=2)