# Making Low-Sec Gate-Camping A Concord-able Offence **URL:** \ **Category:** Player Features & Ideas\ **Created:** [July 9, 2019, 10:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/making-low-sec-gate-camping-a-concord-able-offence/173694 "2019-07-09T22:50:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2019, 1:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/making-low-sec-gate-camping-a-concord-able-offence/173694/243 "2019-07-18T01:15:22Z")
Remember folks, you’re arguing with a troll that is demanding why you think chocolate ice-cream is better than vanilla. ---
**Author:** ![Bronson\_Hughes](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bronson_hughes/32/189075_2.png) [@Bronson\_Hughes](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bronson_Hughes)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2019, 1:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/making-low-sec-gate-camping-a-concord-able-offence/173694/244 "2019-07-18T01:20:33Z")
> [@Loki\_Orkund](#): > > I spend several minutes laughing at the notion that we’re supposed to either keep a scout ship near every gate or beg someone to scout for us. I haven’t claimed that you need a separate scout ship by every gate. (I won’t speak for others.) Having an alt or another player scout for you is certainly handy, and a rational choice given that a solo player shouldn’t necessarily expect to win in the face of greater numbers. Scouting yourself in a corvette works, but is clunky. Flying a ship that is hard for gatecamps to catch is even better. But none of this changes the underlying point that gatecampes are 100% avoidable or bypass-able if you make the proper choices in advance. Altering game mechanics on the basis of poor decision-making seems like a bad idea to me. Gatecamping isn’t an “I Win” button. It’s just a net for catching players who have made poor decisions. Stop making poor decisions, and gate camps cease to be a threat. > [@Loki\_Orkund](#): > > > Also…this is arguably the most disingenuous thing I’ve ever seen written on these forums. And that’s saying a lot. > > Sorry but your desperate and dishonest accusation is going to require some proof. > > Where exactly did I decide what is entertaining for other players"? First off, your statements being disingenuous to me are an opinion, requiring no proof. Also, when you declared that “real” PvP was: > thrilling, exhilarating, skillful, tactical play for both sides You implied that any form of PvP that didn’t meet your definition of “real” wasn’t those things. I admittedly paraphrased with my choice of the word “entertaining”, but I stand by my point. ---
**Author:** ![Haulie\_Berry](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/haulie_berry/32/388021_2.png) [@Haulie\_Berry](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Haulie_Berry)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2019, 1:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/making-low-sec-gate-camping-a-concord-able-offence/173694/245 "2019-07-18T01:28:24Z")
Oh, and probably my favorite moonwalk maneuver: -If you saw someone else likely to jump the gate, or who jumped with you, just remain in gatecloak and use them as a human sacrifice. You can usually scoot on out in even a pretty slow ship while they sperg all over the poor chump who panicked and moved first. This is even better if you’re on comms with the other guy. ---
**Author:** ![Maria\_Dragoon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/maria_dragoon/32/176816_2.png) [@Maria\_Dragoon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Maria_Dragoon)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2019, 2:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/making-low-sec-gate-camping-a-concord-able-offence/173694/246 "2019-07-18T02:10:08Z")
> [@Loki\_Orkund](#): > > force crappy, unwinnable, unfair gatecamping deaths on other players. This literally made me laugh at you, considering I linked a way to crash a camp, how to spot gate camps so you can go around. Git good. ---
**Author:** ![Loki\_Orkund](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/loki_orkund/32/146159_2.png) [@Loki\_Orkund](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Loki_Orkund)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2019, 2:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/making-low-sec-gate-camping-a-concord-able-offence/173694/247 "2019-07-18T02:24:14Z")
> I linked a way to crash a camp With scout ships or a cloak 🤣 > how to spot gate camps so you can go around. How to spot pods you mean. Why have you switched alt again? ---
**Author:** ![Loki\_Orkund](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/loki_orkund/32/146159_2.png) [@Loki\_Orkund](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Loki_Orkund)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2019, 2:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/making-low-sec-gate-camping-a-concord-able-offence/173694/248 "2019-07-18T02:32:45Z")
> [@Bronson\_Hughes](#): > > But none of this changes the underlying point that gatecampes are 100% avoidable or bypass-able if you … with a cloak, which is far from foolproof OR … beg someone or park & switch into a scout ship that you’ve got stored near every gate (which is itself vulnerable for the same reason). > your statements being disingenuous to me are an opinion, requiring no proof. aka unjustifiable BS. > “thrilling, exhilarating, skillful, tactical play for both sides” > You implied that any form of PvP that didn’t meet your definition of “real” wasn’t those things It is indisputable fact that gatecamping doesn’t need skillful or tactical play. It isn’t exhilarating except possibly for PvP virgins. It definitely isn’t “thrilling, exhilarating, skillful, tactical play for both sides”. But this is just dealing with your attempt to distract from the fact your hypocrisy lost you the argument with this: ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/5/d/5ddc878f785279a873cebd3b11677e75a473bbfd.png) ---
**Author:** ![Maria\_Dragoon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/maria_dragoon/32/176816_2.png) [@Maria\_Dragoon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Maria_Dragoon)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2019, 2:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/making-low-sec-gate-camping-a-concord-able-offence/173694/249 "2019-07-18T02:44:56Z")
> [@Loki\_Orkund](#): > > Why have you switched alt again? Sir, do you think before you post? ---
**Author:** ![Knowledgeminer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/knowledgeminer/32/422883_2.png) [@Knowledgeminer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Knowledgeminer)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2019, 2:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/making-low-sec-gate-camping-a-concord-able-offence/173694/250 "2019-07-18T02:44:58Z")
> [@Bronson\_Hughes](#): > > Okay. I’ve tried logic with you. I’m going to try a more emotional appeal. > […] > Do you understand now? ROFLMAO. 🤣 🤣 🤣 I’m curious now, though. What made you believe you might be able to make him understand anything? Is it because he told you at the beginning that “you were the only one to even vaguely try a counterargument”? Man, he tricked you, that was merely a way to make _him_, not _you_, appear he was analysing this in a rational way, while at the same time dodging everything that was being told to him. It was pretty clear from the very beginning he’s completely unable of any rational analysis and is going to simply believe whatever he wants, dodge whatever doesn’t fit his narrative, make up his own definitions of widely used terms, and invent stories about who others are, what they do, or what they say. He’s not even capable of understanding someone could disagree with him without being a gatecamper looking for easy kills, several of us alts of the same player even, ROFL… How may you remotely expect to be able to make someone like that understand anything? I totally understand wanting to continue with this to make fun of him (not your case, I know, but I do certainly find it a lot of fun, LOL), or for the benefit of _others_ reading this who might be emotionally inclined to agree with him, but are at least able to analyse this stuff from a rational point of view… But pretending you may be able to make him understand anything is… 🤣 > [@Bronson\_Hughes](#): > > I haven’t claimed that you need a separate scout ship by every gate. Man, nobody did. This is just one of the many things he has invented about what others said to make scouting and other suggestions look stupid. He does this kind of things because he _wants to_ believe scouting (or any other way to avoid dying to the gatecamp) isn’t a reasonable suggestion. Actually, he **needs to** believe those aren’t reasonable suggestions to fit his narrative… You cannot make someone like that understand anything, he’s simply unable/unwilling to. You may want to clarify things for the benefit of _others_ reading the thread that might actually be willing to learn to properly play the game and how to avoid dying to those gatecamps, but not for _him_… ---
**Author:** ![Haulie\_Berry](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/haulie_berry/32/388021_2.png) [@Haulie\_Berry](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Haulie_Berry)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2019, 2:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/making-low-sec-gate-camping-a-concord-able-offence/173694/252 "2019-07-18T02:49:42Z")
> [@Loki\_Orkund](#): > > … with a cloak, which is far from foolproof. First of all, nothing is really supposed to be foolproof. You’re not supposed to have a 100% chance to safely traverse lowsec. If you will not settle for anything less than perfect safety, then stay docked up where you belong. That said, in 14 years I think I’ve died on a gate with a cloak exactly… once. It was entirely my fault, as I warped gate-to-gate and landed in a drag bubble with debris. Had I bounced first, or used a tactical, I would have been fine. So, in a very literal sense of the word, it is not foolproof in that you can still get caught, should you do something _foolish_. Outside of that, cloaks are pretty damn safe, especially in lowsec. > [@Loki\_Orkund](#): > > It is indisputable fact that gatecamping doesn’t need skillful or tactical play. It isn’t exhilarating except possibly for PvP virgins. It definitely isn’t “thrilling, exhilarating, skillful, tactical play for both sides”. And? A nice, relaxing gatecamp with some beer and lulz on comms while farming the kind of people dumb enough to get caught in gatecamps can be both an enjoyable and profitable way to kill some time. This isn’t Honorable Internet Spaceship Duels Online. Nobody is obliged to limit their play to only what you would prefer. ---
**Author:** ![Karoliine\_Dragoon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karoliine_dragoon/32/149166_2.png) [@Karoliine\_Dragoon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karoliine_Dragoon)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2019, 2:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/making-low-sec-gate-camping-a-concord-able-offence/173694/253 "2019-07-18T02:56:47Z")
> [@Loki\_Orkund](#): > > Yay the alt is back. Sir, my alts are all easily Identifiable for corporate sanity, I want you to take a guess how they are Identified. ---
**Author:** ![Bronson\_Hughes](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bronson_hughes/32/189075_2.png) [@Bronson\_Hughes](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bronson_Hughes)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2019, 11:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/making-low-sec-gate-camping-a-concord-able-offence/173694/254 "2019-07-18T11:01:30Z")
> [@Knowledgeminer](#): > > I’m curious now, though. What made you believe you might be able to make him understand anything? An irrational spark of optimism, mixed in with a splash or two of whiskey. 😉 🥃 ---
**Author:** ![Lady\_Zee](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lady_zee/32/262119_2.png) [@Lady\_Zee](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lady_Zee)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2019, 12:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/making-low-sec-gate-camping-a-concord-able-offence/173694/255 "2019-07-18T12:57:43Z")
> [@Lady\_Zee](#): > > you literally asking to change LS into HS. > [@Loki\_Orkund](#): > > You should look up the definition of “literally”. 🤷‍♂️ > [@Loki\_Orkund](#): > > If you hyperventilate and try really hard to resolve your historinics into sentences, yes. Your passive/aggressive interaction do not help you in your argues > [@Loki\_Orkund](#): > > LS _should_ be safer than nullsec and W-space. wut? Looking at your zkb… nowhere seems safe for you 🧐 ok it’s enough, [F_ck This Sh_t I’m Out](https://coub.com/view/1shgok) ---
**Author:** ![JJ\_Joker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jj_joker/32/494096_2.png) [@JJ\_Joker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JJ_Joker)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2019, 11:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/making-low-sec-gate-camping-a-concord-able-offence/173694/256 "2019-07-18T23:18:11Z")
> [@Loki\_Orkund](#): > > Everyone gets this. Even people like yourself who rely on it to pad their killsheet get it on some level. Who? him? [Everyone | Character | zKillboard](https://zkillboard.com/character/1161641549/) ok ur in 3. I dont get that. ---
**Author:** ![Aven\_Enderas](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aven_enderas/32/144372_2.png) [@Aven\_Enderas](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aven_Enderas)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2019, 7:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/making-low-sec-gate-camping-a-concord-able-offence/173694/257 "2019-08-02T19:50:20Z")
> [@Kirk\_Fjordkreath](#): > > someone (maybe said person themselves) has to become this weird sacrificial lamb Have you forgotten about covert ops ships? I have made it through many a gatecamp with just a covops cloak and some well - coordinated moving. ---
**Author:** ![Aven\_Enderas](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aven_enderas/32/144372_2.png) [@Aven\_Enderas](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aven_Enderas)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2019, 7:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/making-low-sec-gate-camping-a-concord-able-offence/173694/258 "2019-08-02T19:58:25Z")
> [@Kirk\_Fjordkreath](#): > > If I had a Bustard, the likelihood that I would’ve been able to get through it would have increased considerably. So train for one and use it. Bustards can very easily tank a entire gatecamp, and be mostly stable. ---
**Author:** ![Aven\_Enderas](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aven_enderas/32/144372_2.png) [@Aven\_Enderas](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aven_Enderas)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2019, 8:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/making-low-sec-gate-camping-a-concord-able-offence/173694/259 "2019-08-02T20:16:35Z")
Gate camping can actually lead to some really interesting and mobile fights. I was watching a large tama gatecamp fight be attacked by a big swarm of assault frigs, and those were attacked by a group of tornados. The fight dispersed all over the system, and eventually a few of the groups left and the others took over camping the gate. Secondly, getting caught in a gatecamp isn’t really just luck based. By just using the ingame EVE map, you can see if there is a disproportionately large amount of people in a system, and plan accordingly. Countering gatecamps is incredibly easy, you just need to either look at kills, covops cloak, fast align tricks and probably a lot more that I haven’t listed. > [@Tomba](#): > > Yes you might bring a bigger fleet, but the camp will warp away untouched and you have wasted everyone’s time. Bring a bigger fleet, that has a HIC or just an interdictor. Now no one can run away. ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2019, 9:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/making-low-sec-gate-camping-a-concord-able-offence/173694/260 "2019-08-02T21:57:11Z")
> [@Kirk\_Fjordkreath](#): > > Low-Sec Gate-Guns do a combined grand total of 300dps… and that’s supposed to stop aggressive behaviour… how exactly? lol. You are supposed to shoot back and help, that is HOW EXACTLY “lol.” ---
**Author:** ![Felyza](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/felyza/32/161075_2.png) [@Felyza](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Felyza)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2019, 6:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/making-low-sec-gate-camping-a-concord-able-offence/173694/261 "2019-08-04T18:16:42Z")
As a tenured carebear, who lives in high and does occasional trips to low, no. Sure, it’d benefit me tremendously, but no. This game has never been about being safe in space. 1. If you can’t afford to fly it, you shouldn’t fly it. 2. If it’s important enough to worry about gate camps, scout. There DOES exist tools to avoid gate camps. First, the map. A lot of people in a system? Then scout. How? Don’t jump your freighter in, jump in a disposable frigate. Is it safe? Go back for your freighter. Those tools have been there since the beginning. If you want to skip those steps, then it’s on your own laziness. Saying to stop the gate campers changes a core mechanic of the game that has been there forever. If -anything- was the change, then certainly not bring in Concord. Over the years, tanks have gotten tankier, and gate guns have never really been rebalanced. I could see rebalancing gate guns to bring them up to par with original intent, with respect to developments over the years, but certainly not making them death rays. ---
**Author:** ![Bob\_Maths](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bob_maths/32/170185_2.png) [@Bob\_Maths](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bob_Maths)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2019, 5:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/making-low-sec-gate-camping-a-concord-able-offence/173694/262 "2019-08-14T17:39:30Z")
Perhaps faction police start arriving to displace the gate camp and begin escalating based on the capability of the fleet ---
**Author:** ![Haulie\_Berry](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/haulie_berry/32/388021_2.png) [@Haulie\_Berry](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Haulie_Berry)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2019, 5:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/making-low-sec-gate-camping-a-concord-able-offence/173694/263 "2019-08-14T17:48:38Z")
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