# Making Low-Sec Gate-Camping A Concord-able Offence **URL:** \ **Category:** Player Features & Ideas\ **Created:** [July 9, 2019, 10:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/making-low-sec-gate-camping-a-concord-able-offence/173694 "2019-07-09T22:50:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Kirk\_Fjordkreath](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kirk_fjordkreath/32/147181_2.png) [@Kirk\_Fjordkreath](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kirk_Fjordkreath)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 1:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/making-low-sec-gate-camping-a-concord-able-offence/173694/41 "2019-07-10T01:40:54Z")
> [@Ciryc\_Lagrej](#): > > Gate camping is fine and is not an issue. Gate gun dps does hurt and helps the defender a decent amount IF THEY ACTUALLY FIGHT. Not to mention it makes smaller things trying to gate camp get blapped usually and so things trying to catch you on low usually lock slower. You can’t exactly fight back when you’re out of target range and or get deleted before you finish target locking. ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 1:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/making-low-sec-gate-camping-a-concord-able-offence/173694/42 "2019-07-10T01:42:44Z")
> [@Kirk\_Fjordkreath](#): > > and I’m just guessing Yes, yes you are. Or as I said, desperately trying to frame the situation to fit yuor narrative and ignore any other possibility… I manufacture in LS, hunt Clones and mining fleets…everything is sold at the nearest hub. I run haulers in and out with about 50-100M in them…haven’t lost one yet as I know the local’s scheduled, I check the boards and the map and if really nervous, use Alphas to “quickly” look ahead… ---
**Author:** ![Kirk\_Fjordkreath](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kirk_fjordkreath/32/147181_2.png) [@Kirk\_Fjordkreath](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kirk_Fjordkreath)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 1:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/making-low-sec-gate-camping-a-concord-able-offence/173694/43 "2019-07-10T01:43:29Z")
> [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](#): > > > [@Kirk\_Fjordkreath](#): > > > > give CCP one more sub and become a Multi-boxer > > I just use Alphas, zKB and the real-time map…really not an issue… > > > [@Kirk\_Fjordkreath](#): > > > > unfair, uncounterable, ambush tactics > > They make profits because people are lazy, ignorant or careless…how is that unfair? > > BTW, ambush tactics is covered on day 1 of combat school so to claim unfair is, well, silly. You “can’t” be logged with an alpha and any other account at the same time… Also combat school, lol ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 1:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/making-low-sec-gate-camping-a-concord-able-offence/173694/44 "2019-07-10T01:44:03Z")
You are being killed by an apex predictor because YOU put yourself in that situation… ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 1:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/making-low-sec-gate-camping-a-concord-able-offence/173694/45 "2019-07-10T01:45:39Z")
> [@Kirk\_Fjordkreath](#): > > You “can’t” be logged with an alpha and any other account at the same time… When did I say that? U log out, log in to the alpha and log out again and back…takes about 3 minutes. …why does this need to be explained to you? ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 1:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/making-low-sec-gate-camping-a-concord-able-offence/173694/46 "2019-07-10T01:46:27Z")
> [@Kirk\_Fjordkreath](#): > > Also combat school, lol Yes. The fact you laugh at that actually shows just what little knowledge you actually have on the subject. ---
**Author:** ![Okre\_Okaski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/okre_okaski/32/131048_2.png) [@Okre\_Okaski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Okre_Okaski)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 1:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/making-low-sec-gate-camping-a-concord-able-offence/173694/47 "2019-07-10T01:46:54Z")
Cries about dangerous space not being safe, did you turn off the warning about jumping into ls,NS, ws? You lost welcome to the sandbox. You played a stupid game a d won stupid prizes. ---
**Author:** ![Kirk\_Fjordkreath](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kirk_fjordkreath/32/147181_2.png) [@Kirk\_Fjordkreath](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kirk_Fjordkreath)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 2:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/making-low-sec-gate-camping-a-concord-able-offence/173694/48 "2019-07-10T02:01:40Z")
> [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](#): > > > [@Kirk\_Fjordkreath](#): > > > > is that it is virtually un-counterable > > This is wrong…I go in and out of LS all the time without issue and there are a half dozen reasons for that…please stop trying to frame the argument in absolutes. Everyone sees what you are doing and it just discredits ALL your arguments… Okay, I didn’t get the chance to address this I used the term un-counterable, not un-avoidable. big difference, it’s very avoidable, _dont go into Low-Sec_. I’ve been trying to avoid absolutes this whole time, and there’s a line between being lazy with absolutes and talking about the specifics of the situation. I would like it if we could stay in good faith communication here, as I understand that this is quite a subjective topic. ---
**Author:** ![Haulie\_Berry](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/haulie_berry/32/388021_2.png) [@Haulie\_Berry](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Haulie_Berry)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 2:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/making-low-sec-gate-camping-a-concord-able-offence/173694/49 "2019-07-10T02:02:00Z")
So basically, you think you should be able to just bumble through lowsec in a miasmos without scouting or making any meaningful effort to see to the safety of your slow, vulnerable ship? ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 2:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/making-low-sec-gate-camping-a-concord-able-offence/173694/50 "2019-07-10T02:07:31Z")
> [@Kirk\_Fjordkreath](#): > > _dont go into Low-Sec_ . No…how about find a different way in or any of the methods suggested? > I’ve been trying to avoid absolutes this whole time so then your "dont go into Low-Sec\* line would be…? > [@Kirk\_Fjordkreath](#): > > I would like it if we could stay in good faith communication… > …quite a subjective topic. And there you go again trying to frame the conversation…Everything people have has been helpful and accurate and for the most part polite (for Eve at least) so please don’t position yourself to play the victim…again, we all see this. ---
**Author:** ![Kirk\_Fjordkreath](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kirk_fjordkreath/32/147181_2.png) [@Kirk\_Fjordkreath](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kirk_Fjordkreath)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 2:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/making-low-sec-gate-camping-a-concord-able-offence/173694/51 "2019-07-10T02:07:53Z")
> [@Haulie\_Berry](#): > > So basically, you think you should be able to just bumble through lowsec in a miasmos without scouting or making any meaningful effort to see to the safety of your slow, vulnerable ship? It doesn’t matter what ship you fly, they all come out of warp gate lanes eventually, I think it would be more suitable to call it PVP once someone has decided to come out of that lane. I already said something completely to the contrary, let people train, at the very least very niche skills that would be in-game due-diligence, like some sort of new combat probe scanning skill specifically for this sort of thing. ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 2:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/making-low-sec-gate-camping-a-concord-able-offence/173694/52 "2019-07-10T02:09:30Z")
> [@Kirk\_Fjordkreath](#): > > It doesn’t matter what ship you fly, LOL…my god… > [@Kirk\_Fjordkreath](#): > > let people train ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/5/1/5189a7caedc341f9fa6fb57dbe5aee97873ff1ad.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Haulie\_Berry](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/haulie_berry/32/388021_2.png) [@Haulie\_Berry](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Haulie_Berry)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 2:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/making-low-sec-gate-camping-a-concord-able-offence/173694/53 "2019-07-10T02:10:48Z")
> [@Kirk\_Fjordkreath](#): > > It doesn’t matter what ship you fly, they all come out of warp gate lanes eventually, This is fundamentally incorrect in a you-don’t-understand-very-basic-game-mechanics sort of way. You should probably take this opportunity to stop embarrassing yourself and learn about things like alignment time, covert ops cloaks, cloak-MWD, etc. ---
**Author:** ![Kirk\_Fjordkreath](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kirk_fjordkreath/32/147181_2.png) [@Kirk\_Fjordkreath](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kirk_Fjordkreath)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 2:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/making-low-sec-gate-camping-a-concord-able-offence/173694/54 "2019-07-10T02:11:29Z")
Oh god, not the memes (bees) lol ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 2:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/making-low-sec-gate-camping-a-concord-able-offence/173694/55 "2019-07-10T02:13:44Z")
Out of curiosity, what gate are you having issues with? ---
**Author:** ![Kirk\_Fjordkreath](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kirk_fjordkreath/32/147181_2.png) [@Kirk\_Fjordkreath](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kirk_Fjordkreath)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 2:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/making-low-sec-gate-camping-a-concord-able-offence/173694/56 "2019-07-10T02:14:08Z")
> [@Haulie\_Berry](#): > > > [@Kirk\_Fjordkreath](#): > > > > It doesn’t matter what ship you fly, they all come out of warp gate lanes eventually, > > This is fundamentally incorrect in a you-don’t-understand-very-basic-game-mechanics sort of way. > > You should probably take this opportunity to stop embarrassing yourself and learn about things like alignment time, covert ops cloaks, cloak-MWD, etc. I do know, after-burner is only needed for that. lanes should be considere unless you get into capital ships(which can jump), most everything else uses warp lanes ---
**Author:** ![Kirk\_Fjordkreath](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kirk_fjordkreath/32/147181_2.png) [@Kirk\_Fjordkreath](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kirk_Fjordkreath)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 2:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/making-low-sec-gate-camping-a-concord-able-offence/173694/57 "2019-07-10T02:16:47Z")
> [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](#): > > > [@Kirk\_Fjordkreath](#): > > > > _dont go into Low-Sec_ . > > No…how about find a different way in or any of the methods suggested? > > > I’ve been trying to avoid absolutes this whole time > > so then your "dont go into Low-Sec\* line would be…? > > > [@Kirk\_Fjordkreath](#): > > > > I would like it if we could stay in good faith communication… > > …quite a subjective topic. > > And there you go again trying to frame the conversation…Everything people have has been helpful and accurate and for the most part polite (for Eve at least) so please don’t position yourself to play the victim…again, we all see this. The 'Dont go in" was supposed to be framed that way, just a stupidly simple way of avoiding gate camp. Also I’m not trying to frame or label, just kinda keeping that mindset there because its real easy for people to get vile about this sort of stuff ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 2:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/making-low-sec-gate-camping-a-concord-able-offence/173694/58 "2019-07-10T02:18:29Z")
> [@Kirk\_Fjordkreath](#): > > its real easy for people to get vile about this sort of stuff So far we’re all doing pretty good so… ---
**Author:** ![Kirk\_Fjordkreath](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kirk_fjordkreath/32/147181_2.png) [@Kirk\_Fjordkreath](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kirk_Fjordkreath)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 2:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/making-low-sec-gate-camping-a-concord-able-offence/173694/59 "2019-07-10T02:19:55Z")
> [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](#): > > > [@Kirk\_Fjordkreath](#): > > > > its real easy for people to get vile about this sort of stuff > > So far we’re all doing pretty good so… _Cheers_ ---
**Author:** ![Haulie\_Berry](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/haulie_berry/32/388021_2.png) [@Haulie\_Berry](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Haulie_Berry)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 2:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/making-low-sec-gate-camping-a-concord-able-offence/173694/60 "2019-07-10T02:21:37Z")
> [@Kirk\_Fjordkreath](#): > > I do know, after-burner is only needed for that. lanes should be considere unless you get into capital ships(which can jump), most everything else uses warp lanes You do know… what? Because you clearly don’t seem to know what you’re talking about. Gatecamps are very counterable. You can: -Get some friends and just smash the camp -Scout ahead -Cloaky-MWD which has a pretty high success rate -Covert-ops cloak, which is borderline uncatchable outside of some extremely poor luck -Just fly something with an align time so low it’s essentially uncatchable -Keep an eye out for smartbombing BS and don’t faceplant into them And that’s by no means exhaustive. Yeah, you’re probably not going to “counter” one **after** you bumble into it in a shitfit T1 industrial ship that is in no way prepared to make an escape, but that’s not exactly planning ahead. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/making-low-sec-gate-camping-a-concord-able-offence/173694.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/making-low-sec-gate-camping-a-concord-able-offence/173694.md?page=4)