# Making Low-Sec Gate-Camping A Concord-able Offence **URL:** \ **Category:** Player Features & Ideas\ **Created:** [July 9, 2019, 10:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/making-low-sec-gate-camping-a-concord-able-offence/173694 "2019-07-09T22:50:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2019, 12:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/making-low-sec-gate-camping-a-concord-able-offence/173694/161 "2019-07-14T00:44:18Z")
You’re the whining about it skippy, not us…the onus is on YOU to prove why your option is right. And if you claim facts to back-up your opinion, you need to actually back those up to… We’re all waiting…you are the one that can’t use gates, not us. ---
**Author:** ![Loki\_Orkund](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/loki_orkund/32/146159_2.png) [@Loki\_Orkund](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Loki_Orkund)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2019, 12:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/making-low-sec-gate-camping-a-concord-able-offence/173694/162 "2019-07-14T00:44:34Z")
> You are the one advocating for change, so you need to provide logical, and sound proof on why the change needs to be put in place. Guessing you can’t back up this claim either. And you’re wrong on five more counts. 1. Nobody collects such data. 2. It’s obvious why gatecamping is terrible game design. 3. I’ve already explained why. 4. No explanation or evidence I provide will ever be enough. Bronson effectively admitted it twice. 5. You refuse to back up a single thing you say yet demand _proof_ from others. @Runa_Yamaguchi Still waiting. Two more strikes. ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2019, 12:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/making-low-sec-gate-camping-a-concord-able-offence/173694/163 "2019-07-14T00:45:29Z")
> [@Loki\_Orkund](#): > > @Runa_Yamaguchi Still waiting. Two more strikes. wait as long as you like as YOU are the one making the whiny little claim, not us…L2P or ■■■■ off. ---
**Author:** ![Maria\_Dragoon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/maria_dragoon/32/176816_2.png) [@Maria\_Dragoon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Maria_Dragoon)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2019, 12:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/making-low-sec-gate-camping-a-concord-able-offence/173694/164 "2019-07-14T00:55:31Z")
> [@Loki\_Orkund](#): > > Nobody collects such data. CCP does, clearly they find it a non-issue as they have not made it impossible to tank gate guns. > [@Loki\_Orkund](#): > > It’s obvious why gatecamping is terrible game design. Alleged Certainty fallacy > [@Loki\_Orkund](#): > > I’ve already explained why. You only explain how you personally feel on the subject. > [@Loki\_Orkund](#): > > No explanation or evidence I provide will ever be enough. Bronson effectively admitted it twice. And you continue to still not provide evidence in attempts to change anyone’s minds. > [@Loki\_Orkund](#): > > You refuse to back up a single thing you say yet demand _proof_ from others. You are making the assertion, so you need to provide the strong proof on why it needs to be change, you claim it ruining subscription numbers. I say **There no proof of this claim.** ---
**Author:** ![Loki\_Orkund](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/loki_orkund/32/146159_2.png) [@Loki\_Orkund](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Loki_Orkund)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2019, 1:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/making-low-sec-gate-camping-a-concord-able-offence/173694/165 "2019-07-14T01:21:48Z")
> [@Maria\_Dragoon](#): > > CCP does Prove it. > clearly they find it a non-issue as they have not made it impossible to tank gate guns. If you’d bothered to read the thread, instead of stomping all over it with your wrongness, you’d know I didn’t want to buff gate guns. You also presume CCP’s actions: - dictate good game design. - don’t change over time. - don’t have other priorities. > You only explain how you personally feel on the subject. Since you didn’t read the thread, you wouldn’t know. > And you continue to still not provide evidence in attempts to change anyone’s minds. Since you didn’t read the thread, you wouldn’t know. > You are making the assertion, so you need to provide the strong proof on why it needs to be change ^^ This is an assertion in itself, that I asked you to justify. You seem to be refusing. @Runa_Yamaguchi Still waiting. ---
**Author:** ![Maria\_Dragoon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/maria_dragoon/32/176816_2.png) [@Maria\_Dragoon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Maria_Dragoon)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2019, 1:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/making-low-sec-gate-camping-a-concord-able-offence/173694/166 "2019-07-14T01:23:11Z")
> [@Loki\_Orkund](#): > > This is an assertion in itself, that I asked you to justify. You seem to be refusing. And this is where I suggest everyone to stop responding; allowing to fall to the three month period and auto lock. ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2019, 1:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/making-low-sec-gate-camping-a-concord-able-offence/173694/167 "2019-07-14T01:24:25Z")
> [@Loki\_Orkund](#): > > This is an assertion in itself, that I asked you to justify. It’s basic debating you learn in grade jr HS…you make the claim you need to defend/prove it. If you don’t understand that then go back to jr HS. ---
**Author:** ![Loki\_Orkund](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/loki_orkund/32/146159_2.png) [@Loki\_Orkund](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Loki_Orkund)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2019, 1:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/making-low-sec-gate-camping-a-concord-able-offence/173694/168 "2019-07-14T01:28:49Z")
> And this is where I suggest everyone to stop responding; allowing to fall to the three month period and auto lock. As if this wasn’t your aim all along. 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Haulie\_Berry](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/haulie_berry/32/388021_2.png) [@Haulie\_Berry](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Haulie_Berry)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2019, 1:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/making-low-sec-gate-camping-a-concord-able-offence/173694/169 "2019-07-14T01:38:00Z")
It’s almost a little surreal to see anyone crying about gatecamping in 2019. I think if I actually got caught in a gatecamp today I’d actually be a little bit chuffed about the nostalgia and novelty of the whole experience. How is this even happening? ---
**Author:** ![Loki\_Orkund](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/loki_orkund/32/146159_2.png) [@Loki\_Orkund](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Loki_Orkund)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2019, 2:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/making-low-sec-gate-camping-a-concord-able-offence/173694/170 "2019-07-14T02:11:11Z")
> crying about gatecamping The only people crying in this thread are the four who ganged up on me. Not unlike gatecamping. Guess they should have brought more people. Or is that you? You’re a bit late. Two have already run away. 😂 Since we’re talking logical fallacies, and it’s been used repeatedly in this thread, yours is the oldest one in the book: the ad hominem. The OP may well be pissy he died at a gatecamp. That doesn’t mean gatecamping is acceptable game design. You pretend his state of mind is somehow connected to the objective reality of gatecamping. It isn’t. Me? I don’t even play. I might if CCP keep opt-in local for nullsec. But that’s utterly unrelated to the pisspoor game design of gatecamping. Nor is there a single statement in the thread that contradicts gatecamping being pisspoor game design. There’s a simple reason for that: **It is pisspoor game design.** ---
**Author:** ![Haulie\_Berry](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/haulie_berry/32/388021_2.png) [@Haulie\_Berry](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Haulie_Berry)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2019, 2:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/making-low-sec-gate-camping-a-concord-able-offence/173694/171 "2019-07-14T02:13:15Z")
> [@Loki\_Orkund](#): > > It is pisspoor game design. Ohhh, you’re doing that thing where you repeat the same insipid opinion a bunch of times and hope that people will eventually start mistaking it for a fact, right? That’s a pretty good one. ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2019, 2:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/making-low-sec-gate-camping-a-concord-able-offence/173694/172 "2019-07-14T02:15:50Z")
> [@Loki\_Orkund](#): > > are the four who ganged up on me. Do you always play the victim card when you lose a debate? > [@Loki\_Orkund](#): > > Me? I don’t even play LOL…Zero surprised there. > [@Loki\_Orkund](#): > > **It is pisspoor game design.** …but you don’t play so…lol… ---
**Author:** ![Dravick\_Afterthought](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dravick_afterthought/32/282017_2.png) [@Dravick\_Afterthought](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dravick_Afterthought)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2019, 8:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/making-low-sec-gate-camping-a-concord-able-offence/173694/173 "2019-07-14T08:02:49Z")
> [@Loki\_Orkund](#): > > So back to the question, @Runa_Yamaguchi. Why does gatecamping need to be in the game? Two strikes left. Reductio ad absurdum - why does the game even need to exist ? Answer that and maybe someone will take seriously your remarks about gatecamping needing to unexist… ---
**Author:** ![Dravick\_Afterthought](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dravick_afterthought/32/282017_2.png) [@Dravick\_Afterthought](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dravick_Afterthought)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2019, 8:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/making-low-sec-gate-camping-a-concord-able-offence/173694/174 "2019-07-14T08:05:35Z")
> [@Loki\_Orkund](#): > > 1. It’s obvious why gatecamping is terrible game design. And this, dear forum readers, is the giveaway that the issue is simply butthurt-driven - another one to watch out for is ‘everybody knows that…’. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Lawyer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/john_lawyer/32/398808_2.png) [@John\_Lawyer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/John_Lawyer)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2019, 11:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/making-low-sec-gate-camping-a-concord-able-offence/173694/175 "2019-07-14T11:18:35Z")
Gatecamping is good even from non-gatecamper’s perspective - you can start interaction with campers by forming a proper fleet/gang. In case you want to just pass through - use scout interceptor, use KB data, use proper BR and DST fits (MWD/cloak). This problem is non-existant… unless you want emotionally punish the ‘bad guys’. ---
**Author:** ![Bronson\_Hughes](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bronson_hughes/32/189075_2.png) [@Bronson\_Hughes](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bronson_Hughes)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2019, 11:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/making-low-sec-gate-camping-a-concord-able-offence/173694/176 "2019-07-14T11:44:54Z")
Same happened to me recently when I got smartbombed on the outgate in Tama after realizing that I had forgotten to add Tama to my list of excluded systems. Good times. ---
**Author:** ![Loki\_Orkund](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/loki_orkund/32/146159_2.png) [@Loki\_Orkund](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Loki_Orkund)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2019, 2:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/making-low-sec-gate-camping-a-concord-able-offence/173694/177 "2019-07-14T14:10:31Z")
> Reductio ad absurdum - why does the game even need to exist ? Why did you state your logical fallacy before stating your hilariously bad counterargument? 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Loki\_Orkund](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/loki_orkund/32/146159_2.png) [@Loki\_Orkund](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Loki_Orkund)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2019, 2:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/making-low-sec-gate-camping-a-concord-able-offence/173694/178 "2019-07-14T14:12:29Z")
> [@John\_Lawyer](#): > > Gatecamping is good even from non-gatecamper’s perspective - you can start interaction with campers by forming a proper fleet/gang. As opposed to using local, alliance chat etc. 178 comments and the only stated advantage of gatecamping is this. 😂 @Runa_Yamaguchi Still waiting. ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2019, 2:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/making-low-sec-gate-camping-a-concord-able-offence/173694/179 "2019-07-14T14:20:28Z")
> [@Loki\_Orkund](#): > > Still waiting. Enjoy waiting as YOU made the claim, not us…you can’t defend it so now you are worming yuor way out…rather funny really… ---
**Author:** ![Dravick\_Afterthought](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dravick_afterthought/32/282017_2.png) [@Dravick\_Afterthought](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dravick_Afterthought)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2019, 4:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/making-low-sec-gate-camping-a-concord-able-offence/173694/180 "2019-07-14T16:15:43Z")
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