# Making risk vs reward fair for all **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [January 29, 2020, 4:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/making-risk-vs-reward-fair-for-all/214562 "2020-01-29T16:41:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2020, 11:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/making-risk-vs-reward-fair-for-all/214562/83 "2020-01-29T23:49:06Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > Many times, we give credit to one person but the idea was present before that person. We don’t give credit for an idea, we give credit for the work to establish that idea. Just because someone had an idea, doesnt mean it we cant trace back the first person who voiced their first opinion as to whether it was bad. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2020, 11:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/making-risk-vs-reward-fair-for-all/214562/84 "2020-01-29T23:52:53Z")
Who first thought that the Earth was flat? ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2020, 12:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/making-risk-vs-reward-fair-for-all/214562/85 "2020-01-30T00:04:12Z")
low effort bait is low effort but still manages to snag all these highsec suckers, lmao, nice job ---
**Author:** ![Herzog\_Wolfhammer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/herzog_wolfhammer/32/452132_2.png) [@Herzog\_Wolfhammer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Herzog_Wolfhammer)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2020, 12:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/making-risk-vs-reward-fair-for-all/214562/86 "2020-01-30T00:20:44Z")
> [@Legit\_HyperN\_et](#): > > - emove L3 and L4 missions from highsec completely so the new players have incentive to move on. > - remove ore anoms, ice anoms, and anything beyond veldspar and scordite in HS > - Incursions removed from HS > - trig invasions and emerging conduits further reduce payouts in HS - have escalations to low and nullsec for the primo rewards Translation: Hurrr durrrr 1. CCPlease force people into my gate camp. 2. CCPlease force people into my gate camp. 3. CCPlease force people into my gate camp. 4. CCPlease force people into my gate camp. ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2020, 12:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/making-risk-vs-reward-fair-for-all/214562/87 "2020-01-30T00:26:30Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > But that’s the only acceptable way to handle it if they insist on reducing PvP risks to essentially zero But CCP have not reduced effective PVP risk to zero. So your entire basis for your argument is built on a false premise. Note, I have never advocated for a blanket safety increase for high sec, I feel certain specific ships and such are out of balance, and certain things may be balanced but horribly unfun and could be handled in a more fun manner while retaining balance. So I may speak up on a specific risk element, but overall risk in highsec is fine, if unfun often. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2020, 12:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/making-risk-vs-reward-fair-for-all/214562/88 "2020-01-30T00:28:50Z")
again, maybe we need to define what is exactly that “risk” we talk about. Personally I evaluate the risk, as the chance to lose more than what I accept to lose in an hour, multiplied by the cost of the loss, divided by the value I gain in that activity. ---
**Author:** ![Herzog\_Wolfhammer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/herzog_wolfhammer/32/452132_2.png) [@Herzog\_Wolfhammer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Herzog_Wolfhammer)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2020, 12:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/making-risk-vs-reward-fair-for-all/214562/89 "2020-01-30T00:29:42Z")
We all share the same risk of IQ drop when visiting threads like this. Now I has the dumb. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2020, 12:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/making-risk-vs-reward-fair-for-all/214562/90 "2020-01-30T00:32:13Z")
> [@Herzog\_Wolfhammer](#): > > - CCPlease force people into my gate camp. > - CCPlease force people into my gate camp. > - CCPlease force people into my gate camp. > - CCPlease force people into my gate camp. - CCPLease force players to interact with each other instead of mindlessly solo farming all day. - CCPLease force players to interact with each other instead of mindlessly solo farming all day. - CCPLease force players to interact with each other instead of mindlessly solo farming all day. - CCPLease force players to interact with each other instead of mindlessly solo farming all day. PS: why are we assuming that the people seeking PvE content are helpless perma-victims? After all, if you believe the claims of some people they outnumber PvP players by a significant margin. Perhaps the gatecampers should be concerned about CCP driving up the population of their systems and forcing them to face organized opposition that wants to farm in their system. > [@Nevyn\_Auscent](#): > > But CCP have not reduced effective PVP risk to zero. So your entire basis for your argument is built on a false premise. Wrong. Wars are now an opt-in mechanic that can easily be ignored and suicide ganking is only really a threat if you’re a complete idiot. Unless you voluntarily choose to engage in PvP the risk of losing your ship to it is essentially zero. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2020, 12:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/making-risk-vs-reward-fair-for-all/214562/91 "2020-01-30T00:34:32Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > suicide ganking is only really a threat if you’re a complete **newbro**. fixed. but, aint it as it has always been ? ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2020, 1:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/making-risk-vs-reward-fair-for-all/214562/92 "2020-01-30T01:07:00Z")
Hardly anyone is bothering to suicide gank genuine newbies, unless they’re stupid enough to RMT a bunch of ISK. ---
**Author:** ![Alexander\_Minto\_Hughes](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alexander_minto_hughes/32/511046_2.png) [@Alexander\_Minto\_Hughes](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alexander_Minto_Hughes)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2020, 1:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/making-risk-vs-reward-fair-for-all/214562/93 "2020-01-30T01:45:10Z")
> [@Legit\_HyperN\_et](#): > > could be solved if CCP imposed a permanent barrier to high sec for every player older than 6 months wow you are really a special kind of idiot aint you? ---
**Author:** ![ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_dorrim_barstorlode/32/361083_2.png) [@ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Dorrim_Barstorlode)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2020, 1:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/making-risk-vs-reward-fair-for-all/214562/94 "2020-01-30T01:49:47Z")
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**Author:** ![ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_dorrim_barstorlode/32/361083_2.png) [@ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Dorrim_Barstorlode)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2020, 1:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/making-risk-vs-reward-fair-for-all/214562/95 "2020-01-30T01:50:04Z")
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