# Managing Clones and Implants in High Sec without a Structure **URL:** \ **Category:** PvE Ships & Modules\ **Created:** [November 1, 2023, 4:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/managing-clones-and-implants-in-high-sec-without-a-structure/425948 "2023-11-01T16:41:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Vuhdo\_Rin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vuhdo_rin/32/378868_2.png) [@Vuhdo\_Rin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vuhdo_Rin)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2023, 4:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/managing-clones-and-implants-in-high-sec-without-a-structure/425948/94 "2023-11-14T16:49:23Z")
> [@stefnia\_Freir](#): > > Why not ? Again, what does it change ? why not ? because you said its 3% šŸ˜‰ as we can see in this statement of yours > [@stefnia\_Freir](#): > > | module | stacking % | sig increase % | cumulated sig mult | > | --- | --- | --- | --- | > | 1 | 100 | 62 | 1.62 | > | 2 | 86.9 | 53.878 | 2.4928236 | > | 3 | 57.1 | 35.402 | 3.375333010872 | > | 4 | 28.3 | 17.546 | 3.9675689409596 | > | 5 | 10.6 | 6.572 | 4.22831757175947 | > | 6 | 3 | 1.86 | 4.30696427859419 | > | 7 | 3 | 1.86 | 4.38707381417605 | > | 8 | 3 | 1.86 | 4.46867338711972 | > [@stefnia\_Freir](#): > > How does it matter ? thats the correct question ! nothing of your posts matter ---
**Author:** ![stefnia\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stefnia_freir/32/390048_2.png) [@stefnia\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/stefnia_Freir)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2023, 4:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/managing-clones-and-implants-in-high-sec-without-a-structure/425948/95 "2023-11-14T16:49:44Z")
> [@Vuhdo\_Rin](#): > > because you said its 3% No, I said itā€™s NOT 3% > [@Vuhdo\_Rin](#): > > thats the correct question ! Exactly. What does it change if I use the correct value ? It changes nothing ! So I can use 3% even when itā€™s not because it changes nothing. ---
**Author:** ![Vuhdo\_Rin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vuhdo_rin/32/378868_2.png) [@Vuhdo\_Rin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vuhdo_Rin)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2023, 4:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/managing-clones-and-implants-in-high-sec-without-a-structure/425948/96 "2023-11-14T16:51:06Z")
we all can see what you wrote šŸ˜‰ but you want to say you didnt write it ā€¦ so your the liar > [@stefnia\_Freir](#): > > | module | stacking % | sig increase % | cumulated sig mult | > | --- | --- | --- | --- | > | 1 | 100 | 62 | 1.62 | > | 2 | 86.9 | 53.878 | 2.4928236 | > | 3 | 57.1 | 35.402 | 3.375333010872 | > | 4 | 28.3 | 17.546 | 3.9675689409596 | > | 5 | 10.6 | 6.572 | 4.22831757175947 | > | 6 | 3 | 1.86 | 4.30696427859419 | > | 7 | 3 | 1.86 | 4.38707381417605 | > | 8 | 3 | 1.86 | 4.46867338711972 | ---
**Author:** ![stefnia\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stefnia_freir/32/390048_2.png) [@stefnia\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/stefnia_Freir)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2023, 4:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/managing-clones-and-implants-in-high-sec-without-a-structure/425948/97 "2023-11-14T16:51:30Z")
> [@Vuhdo\_Rin](#): > > you didnt write it I wrote it is NOT 3% . You re the liar. ---
**Author:** ![Vuhdo\_Rin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vuhdo_rin/32/378868_2.png) [@Vuhdo\_Rin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vuhdo_Rin)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2023, 4:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/managing-clones-and-implants-in-high-sec-without-a-structure/425948/98 "2023-11-14T16:52:07Z")
> [@stefnia\_Freir](#): > > Exactly. What does it change if I use the correct value ? It changes nothing ! So I can use 3% even when itā€™s not because it changes nothing. because nothing of your posts even matter ! they are all alternate facts and nobody should believe you > [@stefnia\_Freir](#): > > I wrote it is NOT 3% but why we all can see you wrote > [@stefnia\_Freir](#): > > | module | stacking % | sig increase % | cumulated sig mult | > | --- | --- | --- | --- | > | 1 | 100 | 62 | 1.62 | > | 2 | 86.9 | 53.878 | 2.4928236 | > | 3 | 57.1 | 35.402 | 3.375333010872 | > | 4 | 28.3 | 17.546 | 3.9675689409596 | > | 5 | 10.6 | 6.572 | 4.22831757175947 | > | 6 | 3 | 1.86 | 4.30696427859419 | > | 7 | 3 | 1.86 | 4.38707381417605 | > | 8 | 3 | 1.86 | 4.46867338711972 | ---
**Author:** ![stefnia\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stefnia_freir/32/390048_2.png) [@stefnia\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/stefnia_Freir)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2023, 4:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/managing-clones-and-implants-in-high-sec-without-a-structure/425948/99 "2023-11-14T16:53:46Z")
> [@Vuhdo\_Rin](#): > > because nothing of your posts even matter ! Why ? If you donā€™t understand my post, it means you are not intelligent enough. Why would it matter that you canā€™t understand it ? The important part is, you are wrong. And a liar. > [@Vuhdo\_Rin](#): > > but why we all can see you wrote But you canā€™t see where I wrote itā€™s NOT 3 % ? Liar. ---
**Author:** ![Vuhdo\_Rin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vuhdo_rin/32/378868_2.png) [@Vuhdo\_Rin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vuhdo_Rin)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2023, 4:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/managing-clones-and-implants-in-high-sec-without-a-structure/425948/100 "2023-11-14T16:55:26Z")
> [@stefnia\_Freir](#): > > Why ? If you donā€™t understand my post and you dont even know what you write xD > [@stefnia\_Freir](#): > > But you canā€™t see where I wrote itā€™s NOT 3 % ? Liar. and you can see that you write below > [@stefnia\_Freir](#): > > | module | stacking % | sig increase % | cumulated sig mult | > | --- | --- | --- | --- | > | 1 | 100 | 62 | 1.62 | > | 2 | 86.9 | 53.878 | 2.4928236 | > | 3 | 57.1 | 35.402 | 3.375333010872 | > | 4 | 28.3 | 17.546 | 3.9675689409596 | > | 5 | 10.6 | 6.572 | 4.22831757175947 | > | 6 | 3 | 1.86 | 4.30696427859419 | > | 7 | 3 | 1.86 | 4.38707381417605 | > | 8 | 3 | 1.86 | 4.46867338711972 | ---
**Author:** ![stefnia\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stefnia_freir/32/390048_2.png) [@stefnia\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/stefnia_Freir)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2023, 4:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/managing-clones-and-implants-in-high-sec-without-a-structure/425948/101 "2023-11-14T16:57:07Z")
So what ? I wrote itā€™s less than 3% . So then I can use 3% because then the actual result is ā€¦ LESS . It does not mean that the value is 3% Your post is completely stupid. ---
**Author:** ![Vuhdo\_Rin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vuhdo_rin/32/378868_2.png) [@Vuhdo\_Rin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vuhdo_Rin)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2023, 4:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/managing-clones-and-implants-in-high-sec-without-a-structure/425948/102 "2023-11-14T16:58:45Z")
> [@stefnia\_Freir](#): > > Your post is completely stupid. my post ? trololol ā€¦ > [@stefnia\_Freir](#): > > So what ? I wrote itā€™s less than 3% . So then I can use 3% because then the actual result is ā€¦ LESS . It does not mean that the value is 3% if you mean its less then 3& then you CANT write its 3% ! this doesnt make sense because it were wrong ! but you still write it down so ā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![stefnia\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stefnia_freir/32/390048_2.png) [@stefnia\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/stefnia_Freir)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2023, 4:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/managing-clones-and-implants-in-high-sec-without-a-structure/425948/103 "2023-11-14T16:59:52Z")
> [@Vuhdo\_Rin](#): > > my post ? trololol ā€¦ Yes your post where you claim I wrote itā€™s 3% while I literally wrote itā€™s not. > [@Vuhdo\_Rin](#): > > if you mean its less then 3& then you CANT write its 3% ! and I did write itā€™s NOT 3% ! Your argument is stupid ! your refusal to accept I wrote it makes you a liar. ---
**Author:** ![Vuhdo\_Rin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vuhdo_rin/32/378868_2.png) [@Vuhdo\_Rin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vuhdo_Rin)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2023, 5:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/managing-clones-and-implants-in-high-sec-without-a-structure/425948/104 "2023-11-14T17:01:17Z")
> [@stefnia\_Freir](#): > > and I did write itā€™s NOT 3% ! and we still can see you wrote it > [@stefnia\_Freir](#): > > | module | stacking % | sig increase % | cumulated sig mult | > | --- | --- | --- | --- | > | 1 | 100 | 62 | 1.62 | > | 2 | 86.9 | 53.878 | 2.4928236 | > | 3 | 57.1 | 35.402 | 3.375333010872 | > | 4 | 28.3 | 17.546 | 3.9675689409596 | > | 5 | 10.6 | 6.572 | 4.22831757175947 | > | 6 | 3 | 1.86 | 4.30696427859419 | > | 7 | 3 | 1.86 | 4.38707381417605 | > | 8 | 3 | 1.86 | 4.46867338711972 | ---
**Author:** ![stefnia\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stefnia_freir/32/390048_2.png) [@stefnia\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/stefnia_Freir)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2023, 5:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/managing-clones-and-implants-in-high-sec-without-a-structure/425948/105 "2023-11-14T17:02:28Z")
> [@Vuhdo\_Rin](#): > > and we still can see you wrote it No, I wrote itā€™s NOT 3% ! Nowhere did I claim it is 3% ---
**Author:** ![Vuhdo\_Rin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vuhdo_rin/32/378868_2.png) [@Vuhdo\_Rin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vuhdo_Rin)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2023, 5:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/managing-clones-and-implants-in-high-sec-without-a-structure/425948/106 "2023-11-14T17:04:02Z")
> [@stefnia\_Freir](#): > > I claim it is 3% now youre right ! as you have wrote it you claimed its 3% ---
**Author:** ![stefnia\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stefnia_freir/32/390048_2.png) [@stefnia\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/stefnia_Freir)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2023, 5:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/managing-clones-and-implants-in-high-sec-without-a-structure/425948/107 "2023-11-14T17:04:48Z")
So you have no better argument than making false quotes ? I wrote it is NOT 3% ---
**Author:** ![Vuhdo\_Rin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vuhdo_rin/32/378868_2.png) [@Vuhdo\_Rin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vuhdo_Rin)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2023, 5:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/managing-clones-and-implants-in-high-sec-without-a-structure/425948/108 "2023-11-14T17:05:19Z")
> [@stefnia\_Freir](#): > > So you have no better argument than making false quotes ? its not a false quote ā€¦ you wrote it and this we all can se or do you want to tell us all that you deliberately gave false information and then call others liars? ---
**Author:** ![Faiyna](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/faiyna/32/391612_2.png) [@Faiyna](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Faiyna)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2023, 3:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/managing-clones-and-implants-in-high-sec-without-a-structure/425948/109 "2023-11-16T15:51:22Z")
To go back to the OPā€™s intial question, before the thread got, ahem, sidetracked slightly, I fly a Kronos as my primary mission and event ship in High Sec. I have a full high grade Amulet clone, 2 beefy abyssal plates, decent energised resistance membranes and 2 Abyssal Mag Stabs for dps, fully cap stabe and 2 utility mid slots for Web, Grappler, Tracking Comps or Target Painter - depending on the mission. It rocks around 75k raw armor HP and has a total of about 475k ehp in Bastion. Is that way way too much tank for L4 mission running? Absolutely! After all, itā€™s rocking equivalent ehp to my tanky Orca! Is it because my ship is in any way threatened by non-diamond, non-trig npcs? Nope. Itā€™s because this is a sandbox and people like to blow up Marauders, either for profit or for lulz. Do I regret so much tank at the expense of arguably better performance? Nope. When the 10 man gank squad ambushed me in an event site during the Crimson Harvest, did they get me below 75% armor? Also no. I Bastioned up as they landed, locked 'em up and hit fire when they went flashy red (always keep your safeties green!). Got me some nice shiny killmarks since I killed most of them before Concord arrived. So looted their wrecks (100+ mil in T2 modules) and went on with my day. Is my Kronos unkillable? Nope, nothing in Eve is. Does the combination of tank, behaviour (watching local and checking d-scan regularly, using travel fits when going more than my local constellation), and situational awareness and strategic use of Bastion (to GTFO if local spikes, and 20+ attack battlecruiser pop up on d-scan) keep me ā€˜relativelyā€™ safe? Yes, but thereā€™s always the chance of bad luck, bad timing and bad internet could mess up my day. Am I posting on my main which has my Kronos pilot and pod? Of course not! Iā€™m sat in Jita like all good posting alts! Have I made enough during the event and from casual mission running to replace my Kronos, itā€™s mods and my juicy clone? Also yes. Donā€™t fly what you canā€™t afford to lose. ---
**Author:** ![stefnia\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stefnia_freir/32/390048_2.png) [@stefnia\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/stefnia_Freir)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2023, 3:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/managing-clones-and-implants-in-high-sec-without-a-structure/425948/110 "2023-11-17T15:34:37Z")
Itā€™s important to note, that the fits are always context dependent. What may be a good fit for a place and time, may be bad fit for another place, another time. Even for the same activity (say L4s) Therefore, itā€™s good to also have a spare ship to fit when, for example, you know a bunch of gankers are waiting for you. But if you know there is nobody, then you can pick up a faster fit. ---
**Author:** ![Vuhdo\_Rin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vuhdo_rin/32/378868_2.png) [@Vuhdo\_Rin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vuhdo_Rin)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2023, 4:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/managing-clones-and-implants-in-high-sec-without-a-structure/425948/111 "2023-11-17T16:14:43Z")
> [@stefnia\_Freir](#): > > Itā€™s important to note, that the fits are always context dependent yes, but marauder are allrounder so its way less important then to other ships ! > [@stefnia\_Freir](#): > > Therefore, itā€™s good to also have a spare ship to fit when, another 2b investment for only a be a few seconds faster ? the costs and benefits are disproportionate > [@stefnia\_Freir](#): > > you know a bunch of gankers are waiting for you. > But if you know there is nobody, then you can pick up a faster fit. you always need to be aware of ganker ā€¦ and another fit or ship doesnt change it ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2023, 6:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/managing-clones-and-implants-in-high-sec-without-a-structure/425948/112 "2023-11-17T18:18:20Z")
People often waste too much time with all this ā€œefficiencyā€ thinking. I mean, one could do it just for the fun of PyFa-warrioring, and thats okay, but in reality a simple T2/named fitted Marauder that maybe offers 20-30 Million ISK loot for gankers while having around a 100k eHP passive defense + a 1000 dps aktive tank is more than enough to run all L4. It makes the ship a very unlucrative target to gank and will get all content done in pretty nice running times. Tbh I have run L4s in 5B blingfits and there isnā€™t that much time difference in most missions, so I sold all the bling and just use cheap fits for quite a while. To come back to the topic: A nice clone to support your ship is always a good idea, especially since you can perfectly protect it by having a brick-fitted Assaultfrig in the Escape bay that makes it virtually impossible to gank the clone as well. So a full rack of +5% and some Set-Implants are a rather riskless investment. If a HG-Amulet / Nirvana Set can safe you from an unexpected ā€œfor the lulz gankā€, fine. Asklepian/Crystal sets are not really needed. I personally prefer a cheap Genolution set for the nice and practical fitting/cap benefits. ---
**Author:** ![stefnia\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stefnia_freir/32/390048_2.png) [@stefnia\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/stefnia_Freir)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2023, 2:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/managing-clones-and-implants-in-high-sec-without-a-structure/425948/113 "2023-11-18T14:25:23Z")
> [@Syzygium](#): > > I mean, one could do it just for the fun of PyFa-warrioring, and thats okay, Or maybe the difference is important when you actually fit correctly . I donā€™t disagree that you can use many different fits and still perform relatively well. But if you have, say 100B, why would you only have one fit to do all, when you can have various fits that each perform better in their own activity ? Itā€™s not about having ONE bling fit. Itā€™s about having dedicated fits. Also 5B is pretty ~~cheap~~ usual. marauder is 1b5, GXTXL is 1b2, PATMSH is 1b. add 500MN for 500M, 4 damage mods for 400M, SBA for 100M, 2 rigs for 100M , You donā€™t even mutate your stuff and you already are 4.8B. No implant. No officer fit. mutating can quadruple the price if you want something _good_, Ɨ20 if you want ā€œvery goodā€. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/managing-clones-and-implants-in-high-sec-without-a-structure/425948.md?page=4) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/managing-clones-and-implants-in-high-sec-without-a-structure/425948.md?page=6)