# \[March\] The Monitor Flag Cruiser **URL:** \ **Category:** Upcoming Features & Changes\ **Tags:** ships\ **Created:** [February 19, 2018, 2:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/march-the-monitor-flag-cruiser/58207 "2018-02-19T14:17:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 8:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/march-the-monitor-flag-cruiser/58207/286 "2018-02-19T20:43:47Z")
> [@Lexx\_Devi](#): > > Hmmm, intresting note, i can imagine a large amount of reasons for both sides. Personally, I just think he’s _wrong_. Most of the voices in favor of this thing aren’t FCs. The bloc FCs are the ones saying ‘it _could_ be good if you changed XYZ, _maybe_?’ I mean, you really don’t get more ‘bloc FC’ than Manny there, in terms of experience. > [@Rarilmar](#): > > This ship will make way for so many exploits…like easy tank for lvl5 missions How will this ship tank mission sites when it can’t do anything to keep the rats aggressed on it, instead of the guys actually shooting things? ---
**Author:** ![Lugburz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugburz/32/486230_2.png) [@Lugburz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugburz)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 8:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/march-the-monitor-flag-cruiser/58207/287 "2018-02-19T20:45:56Z")
I can see it being of some use in incursions, but again, not over any other kind of ship with weapons or command links. ---
**Author:** ![Nolak\_Ataru](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nolak_ataru/32/258421_2.png) [@Nolak\_Ataru](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nolak_Ataru)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 8:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/march-the-monitor-flag-cruiser/58207/288 "2018-02-19T20:46:44Z")
Right, I mean most Bloc FCs want it but with probes and a whoregun. The 9nes who absolutely don’t want it are smaller people. ---
**Author:** ![Ralph\_Makaev](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ralph_makaev/32/500934_2.png) [@Ralph\_Makaev](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ralph_Makaev)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 8:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/march-the-monitor-flag-cruiser/58207/289 "2018-02-19T20:47:09Z")
@ Arrendis : i could awnser that question but we would be taking this thread off topic and i don’t want to give people ideas. ---
**Author:** ![Rarilmar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rarilmar/32/255655_2.png) [@Rarilmar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rarilmar)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 8:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/march-the-monitor-flag-cruiser/58207/290 "2018-02-19T20:49:54Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > How will this ship tank mission sites when it can’t do anything to keep the rats aggressed on it, instead of the guys actually shooting things? On most sites using the old AI aggro is on the 1st ship to enter and if u stay close to the rats they don’t change aggro, but I’m mostly solo nowadays so can’t tell if they actually changed this behavior in PvE. I know the new AI is smarter (annoying actually) but most sites/missions will remain with the old AI ---
**Author:** ![Nolak\_Ataru](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nolak_ataru/32/258421_2.png) [@Nolak\_Ataru](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nolak_Ataru)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 8:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/march-the-monitor-flag-cruiser/58207/291 "2018-02-19T20:50:19Z")
Current rat aggro will move around. ---
**Author:** ![Ralph\_Makaev](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ralph_makaev/32/500934_2.png) [@Ralph\_Makaev](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ralph_Makaev)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 8:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/march-the-monitor-flag-cruiser/58207/292 "2018-02-19T20:52:36Z")
> [@\[March\] The Monitor Flag Cruiser](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/march-the-monitor-flag-cruiser/58207/288): > > Right, I mean most Bloc FCs want it but with probes and a whoregun. The 9nes who absolutely don’t want it are smaller people. i could also say that the people that dont want it because it will ruin the game is almost everybody with at least half a brain, and the ones that actually want it seem to be in one way or another related to GSF, everyone know GSF just wants to ruin eve for everyone. just stop posting please. ---
**Author:** ![Lexx\_Devi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lexx_devi/32/272139_2.png) [@Lexx\_Devi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lexx_Devi)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 8:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/march-the-monitor-flag-cruiser/58207/293 "2018-02-19T20:53:48Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > I just think he’s wrong. And maybe he is wrong, I just now an increment of the people here personally, to be honest even my best EvE friends can be a retard and have bad ideas. You should note that everyone here have different views and you might need to look at their perspective as well. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 8:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/march-the-monitor-flag-cruiser/58207/294 "2018-02-19T20:58:10Z")
> [@Nolak\_Ataru](#): > > Right, I mean most Bloc FCs want it but with probes and a whoregun. I think they’re more saying ‘unless it has this, there’s really no reason we’d ever use it, we have Command Ships and T3Cs’. ---
**Author:** ![Lugburz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugburz/32/486230_2.png) [@Lugburz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugburz)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 8:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/march-the-monitor-flag-cruiser/58207/295 "2018-02-19T20:59:18Z")
Having a basically invincible ship on grid is just plain bad game mechanics anyway you put it. ---
**Author:** ![Colonel\_Tosh](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/colonel_tosh/32/182858_2.png) [@Colonel\_Tosh](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Colonel_Tosh)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 9:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/march-the-monitor-flag-cruiser/58207/296 "2018-02-19T21:18:57Z")
> [@Lugburz](#): > > Having a basically invincible ship on grid is just plain bad game mechanics anyway you put it. Killing an enemy FC and thereby removing content from the field for a group is worse. ---
**Author:** ![Lexx\_Devi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lexx_devi/32/272139_2.png) [@Lexx\_Devi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lexx_Devi)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 9:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/march-the-monitor-flag-cruiser/58207/297 "2018-02-19T21:19:32Z")
I can easily say the first thing we are going to do is what is the ship used for, then abuse the heck out of the Ship/Module/Rig. Im already thinking the Drifter boys how will they make the Monitor keep the agro from Drifters. If Probes get added most FC’s would not think a second time of using the ship if DPS calculations still alpha. Highsec fleets will use this ship for some specialized training. Lowsec fleets won’t really care much about this ship. Nullsec fleets will definitely use this ship when a fleet is at +100 just to reduce the management making each fleet member able to focus more on their task. Wormholers will love this with a probe launcher and may end colapsing frigate holes if the mass is super low, but won’t focus mutch on the ship rather optimize dps and stratergy of other ships. No rather the question i ask you all, is this the mindset we want to allow it into the EvE universe.? ---
**Author:** ![Lugburz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugburz/32/486230_2.png) [@Lugburz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugburz)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 9:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/march-the-monitor-flag-cruiser/58207/298 "2018-02-19T21:20:02Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > ‘single point of failure’ ^this @Colonel_Tosh @Lexx_Devi no If the answer isnt no now it will be in the future. ---
**Author:** ![Lugburz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugburz/32/486230_2.png) [@Lugburz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugburz)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 9:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/march-the-monitor-flag-cruiser/58207/299 "2018-02-19T21:24:41Z")
lets add a whore gun, now lets bump something so it cant warp and solo it in a ridiculasly overtanked ship… You know its gonna happen… LETS ADD A WHOREGUN cus a fleet of 250 with these ships… srsly ---
**Author:** ![Lugburz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugburz/32/486230_2.png) [@Lugburz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugburz)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 9:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/march-the-monitor-flag-cruiser/58207/300 "2018-02-19T21:34:04Z")
the FEW people who will likely want to fly this ship are only init it for the ‘fame’ that is literally the only reason an Fc would not want to get headshotted, if they werent after the fame, create new character, injectors. ---
**Author:** ![Beta\_Maoye](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/beta_maoye/32/140122_2.png) [@Beta\_Maoye](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Beta_Maoye)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 9:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/march-the-monitor-flag-cruiser/58207/301 "2018-02-19T21:36:07Z")
Although I don’t like the idea of making a ship almost impossible to kill, I like the fact that CCP is making an effort to improve the quality of life for FC. In a broader sense, I would like CCP to hire or train specialized GM to conduct regular FC training programs to train up capable FCs to fill vacancies in alliances and/or corporations, because this game has became so much relying on FC to work and player’s effort might not be able to fill the demand. Shortage of qualified FC limits the growth of this game in all areas, not just null. GM might work with the help of the game communities to give FC lectures to interested players. FC trainees might join a few sov. wars as observers to learn the basics, such as fleet composition, probing, anchoring, moving, positioning, priority of targets, drone management, logistics command,…etc. Adding more FCs into the game is adding more contents into the game. In term of new game contents, the cost of training player FCs is much lower than the cost of hiring more developers. I think implementing FC training program fills player’s need and fits the business strategy of EVE Online. ---
**Author:** ![Hairpins\_Blueprint](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hairpins_blueprint/32/272385_2.png) [@Hairpins\_Blueprint](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hairpins_Blueprint)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 9:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/march-the-monitor-flag-cruiser/58207/302 "2018-02-19T21:36:40Z")
No very useful without Probes tho. Just a glorified brick for TD heavy fights ---
**Author:** ![Lugburz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugburz/32/486230_2.png) [@Lugburz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugburz)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 9:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/march-the-monitor-flag-cruiser/58207/303 "2018-02-19T21:39:38Z")
There are plenty of groups that offer training. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Baylin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/john_baylin/32/255706_2.png) [@John\_Baylin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/John_Baylin)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 9:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/march-the-monitor-flag-cruiser/58207/304 "2018-02-19T21:39:51Z")
Join an alliance that offers training. ---
**Author:** ![Beta\_Maoye](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/beta_maoye/32/140122_2.png) [@Beta\_Maoye](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Beta_Maoye)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 9:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/march-the-monitor-flag-cruiser/58207/305 "2018-02-19T21:44:38Z")
FCs are so important in this game. I think it deserves a systematic approach from the game company to add more capable FCs into the game. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/march-the-monitor-flag-cruiser/58207.md?page=14) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/march-the-monitor-flag-cruiser/58207.md?page=16)