# Matari Tattoos On Non Matari **URL:** \ **Category:** Intergalactic Summit\ **Created:** [August 9, 2018, 6:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/matari-tattoos-on-non-matari/96544 "2018-08-09T06:29:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Utari\_Onzo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/utari_onzo/32/378493_2.png) [@Utari\_Onzo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Utari_Onzo)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2018, 4:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/matari-tattoos-on-non-matari/96544/41 "2018-08-10T16:55:16Z")
Again, there can be incidents of choice. I think to sum it better, Caldari as a rule of thumb tend to err to utilitarian and/or pragmatic reasons for tattoos and modifications, but there are always folk who think differently within any given group. You should visit the State and check it out some time to learn more. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2018, 5:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/matari-tattoos-on-non-matari/96544/42 "2018-08-10T17:00:39Z")
> [@Utari\_Onzo](#): > > You should visit the State and check it out some time to learn more. Truf. Lived there in my first private employment as a capsuleer. The State’s a _lot_ more varied than Kim represents it to be. ---
**Author:** ![Teinyhr](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teinyhr/32/374406_2.png) [@Teinyhr](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teinyhr)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2018, 5:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/matari-tattoos-on-non-matari/96544/43 "2018-08-10T17:26:02Z")
I’ve often heard people consider the Caldari Megas and Minmatar Tribes as similar (yet profoundly different) social construcs, would you say the idea has any merit? I wager you know more Caldari than I so you’d possibly have a better view. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2018, 5:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/matari-tattoos-on-non-matari/96544/44 "2018-08-10T17:36:38Z")
From what I can tell, both as an outsider who lived there and as someone who’s spoken with Pieter about this a few times, in some ways, yes. There’s a lot of similarity in the structure of distinct, largely independent hierarchies that interact and connect on the level of a shared common interest and shared historical background. Certain aspects of culture are common across all of the groups within the nation, while other aspects diverge sharply when comparing one sub-group to another. And that holds true when you extend it downward to the Corporate Subsidiary/Clan level, as well. Similarly, there’s a lot of commonality in the approach to community. We tend to labor for the benefit of the whole, as opposed to individual benefit. The biggest point of difference appears to be in the particular emphasis-points and where certain lines are drawn, but that varies from Corporation to Corporation, and Clan to Clan, anyway. So in a lot of ways, yeah, I think there’s clear signs of similar (in broad themes) socio-political conditions giving rise to similar (if not entirely convergent) social structures. Obviously, there’s a lot of differences, but in broad strokes, the similarities are there, too. ---
**Author:** ![Isha\_Vuld](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isha_vuld/32/470113_2.png) [@Isha\_Vuld](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Isha_Vuld)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2018, 5:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/matari-tattoos-on-non-matari/96544/45 "2018-08-10T17:57:51Z")
> [@Teinyhr](#): > > I’ve often heard people consider the Caldari Megas and Minmatar Tribes as similar (yet profoundly different) social construcs, would you say the idea has any merit? A bit, yes. Caldari Megas show a lot of resemblance to our Tribes. Both play a large part in our sense of identity and consist of various sub-groups (Clans or subsidiaries) in which the members build their lives. Both tribes and Megas also work together to form the nation’s government. There are even similarities in our religions, as both involve spirits of nature and ancestor worship. If we ever put this war behind us, I suspect our nations would get along quite well. ---
**Author:** ![Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mizhara_del_thul/32/486150_2.png) [@Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mizhara_Del_thul)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2018, 6:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/matari-tattoos-on-non-matari/96544/46 "2018-08-10T18:06:04Z")
Until the fundamental difference between individual freedom and ‘for the good of the Corp/State’ clashes. I’m one of the people who have spoken most loudly on Minmatar and Caldari cooperation and similarities, but recently people seem to have started to forget the significant differences that are also in play, and that does nobody involved any favors. The only way a Caldari and Minmatar cooperation could work would be through understanding and respecting those differences, when the similarities are almost exclusively on the surface. ---
**Author:** ![Utari\_Onzo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/utari_onzo/32/378493_2.png) [@Utari\_Onzo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Utari_Onzo)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2018, 6:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/matari-tattoos-on-non-matari/96544/47 "2018-08-10T18:23:15Z")
Maybe a new thread discussing the similarities and differences is in order? I’m afraid I feel like I’ve dragged this one off topic, and I’m neither Caldari nor Minmatar! ---
**Author:** ![Ibrahim\_Tash-Murkon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ibrahim_tash-murkon/32/474183_2.png) [@Ibrahim\_Tash-Murkon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ibrahim_Tash-Murkon)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2018, 6:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/matari-tattoos-on-non-matari/96544/48 "2018-08-10T18:43:58Z")
My full back tattoo of a scantily clad merman is okay though, right? ---
**Author:** ![Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mizhara_del_thul/32/486150_2.png) [@Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mizhara_Del_thul)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2018, 7:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/matari-tattoos-on-non-matari/96544/49 "2018-08-10T19:11:41Z")
… which bit is the man and which bit is the murr, and just how anatomically correct are we talking here? ---
**Author:** ![Ibrahim\_Tash-Murkon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ibrahim_tash-murkon/32/474183_2.png) [@Ibrahim\_Tash-Murkon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ibrahim_Tash-Murkon)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2018, 7:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/matari-tattoos-on-non-matari/96544/50 "2018-08-10T19:57:15Z")
Need to know, Miz. Need to know. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2018, 8:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/matari-tattoos-on-non-matari/96544/51 "2018-08-10T20:16:25Z")
Go for it! ---
**Author:** ![Saccade\_Amir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/saccade_amir/32/303830_2.png) [@Saccade\_Amir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Saccade_Amir)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2018, 8:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/matari-tattoos-on-non-matari/96544/52 "2018-08-10T20:37:36Z")
yna whatra solve all thisna cause ya ya complixated n so but what if matari were just less style nothin else for it n everyeun knows that, only way to keep ya tats off shitty gallente trifleux is to be much less style about em. get ■■■■ tats from now on. solvela! like they mean something anyway even if theyre ■■■■ right? right? dya have one that goes on your jonk? ---
**Author:** ![Tyrel\_Toov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tyrel_toov/32/387953_2.png) [@Tyrel\_Toov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tyrel_Toov)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2018, 3:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/matari-tattoos-on-non-matari/96544/53 "2018-08-11T03:22:57Z")
No. Everything about that post, no. ---
**Author:** ![Steffanie\_Saissore](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/steffanie_saissore/32/18918_2.png) [@Steffanie\_Saissore](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Steffanie_Saissore)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2018, 3:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/matari-tattoos-on-non-matari/96544/54 "2018-08-11T03:56:35Z")
I have no idea what I just read here…are you okay? Do you need medical assistance? Do you smell burnt toast? However, on a more serious topic, regarding tattoos and taking markings from one culture and wearing them on oneself…I’m sort of on the fence. On one hand, I respect the heritage and tradition that lay behind the tribal tattoos. I also believe in personal freedom; I agree that teens need to be taught (almost constantly) about the importance of other cultures. I understand why a teen or early 20-something might look at a Matari tribal tattoo and, in an act of rebelling against some perceived norm, would go out and get inked just to pronounce their individuality. Is it right? Probably not and this is where patience and teaching need to take place. Personally, tattoos ultimately need to mean something to the wearer and should never be made on the basis of “I want to rebel against mom/dad/boss/cultural norms”, etc. This is something that you are, in most cases, permanently marking your body with and ought to have very deep and significant meaning to you. ---
**Author:** ![Haru\_kai\_Vidaraltyr](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/haru_kai_vidaraltyr/32/331376_2.png) [@Haru\_kai\_Vidaraltyr](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Haru_kai_Vidaraltyr)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2018, 4:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/matari-tattoos-on-non-matari/96544/55 "2018-08-11T04:41:30Z")
> [@Steffanie\_Saissore](#): > > Personally, tattoos ultimately need to mean something to the wearer and should never be made on the basis of “I want to rebel against mom/dad/boss/cultural norms”, etc. This is something that you are, in most cases, permanently marking your body with and ought to have very deep and significant meaning to you. Just to note that in the Federation, there is nothing remotely permanent about tattoos. Unless you are very, very poor, cosmetic removal of tattoo marks is trivial with modern technology. People fond of body art change it all the time. On the wider topic, trying to manufacture outrage about cultural appropriation is daft in a cluster of trillions of people. My own clan attaches significance to tattoo marks because we know the person and their history. If stranger visits, we expect them to tell us the story of their home and kin, which may or may not be reflected in their tattoos, scars, demeanour and honours. Without their story, they are but a ghost. Among the millions of clans, there are millions of different traditions reflected in their body markings. A tattoo inked onto a Gallente has no story behind it. It is therefore meaningless, and not worthy of a second thought. ---
**Author:** ![Saccade\_Amir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/saccade_amir/32/303830_2.png) [@Saccade\_Amir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Saccade_Amir)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2018, 4:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/matari-tattoos-on-non-matari/96544/56 "2018-08-11T04:42:58Z")
wues srsment imagine if it was jos a spiriteux thing the way is supposeds n not aesthetic imagine the spiriteux was the olnly n mos importants thing happpening n everybody knew that n could say so it could look like anything n men a same thing, same fotrune ■■■■ or whatever it is when matari do ■■■■ on their faces and be all THIS IS MY LIFE ■■■■ WHAT YES THIS IS IT but no it looks cool pure coincidence right? na they style mus reapon the conesquence on stylen which is people bein all “es style” n havin it ---
**Author:** ![Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mizhara_del_thul/32/486150_2.png) [@Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mizhara_Del_thul)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2018, 4:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/matari-tattoos-on-non-matari/96544/57 "2018-08-11T04:43:57Z")
It worries me greatly when Saccade Amir makes more sense than most of the Matari in the thread. ---
**Author:** ![Teinyhr](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teinyhr/32/374406_2.png) [@Teinyhr](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teinyhr)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2018, 5:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/matari-tattoos-on-non-matari/96544/58 "2018-08-11T05:44:19Z")
Most of the Matari in this thread aren’t miserable balls of hatred like you, maybe that’s the problem. ---
**Author:** ![Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mizhara_del_thul/32/486150_2.png) [@Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mizhara_Del_thul)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2018, 6:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/matari-tattoos-on-non-matari/96544/59 "2018-08-11T06:06:26Z")
Assuming makes an… well you know how it goes. It will never cease to amaze me how angry and salty you lot are about someone who really isn’t very angry nor hateful. Is it your insecurities flaring up? Is it that nagging feeling that you’re not taking any real stands? Is it perhaps that you simply can’t stand someone not caring about your hurt widdle feelings? Is it that I save up my empathy and joy for those who actually matter in my life, rather than the boorish dullards of the IGS? … perhaps it’s that in spite of your desperate need for this person you don’t like to be “miserable balls of hatred”, I’m actually damn near _happy_ these days? Are you perhaps so blinded by what you _need_ me to be so you can dismiss it as ‘hateful’, that you can’t imagine these IGS posts delivered with a smile or a grin? Allow me to assure you, there’s a genuine… what do the Frogs say… “joye de vivre” behind almost every one of these posts, or off-handed snark on the Summit or UnderSummit. I wouldn’t go so far as to say I laugh at you, but it’s starting to get quite close when I see a rather generalized, acerbic line with a smidge of dry humor, acknowledgment of the surreal and such… be responded to in a way that can only be interpreted as a kneejerk response to a perceived slight. Is there even any skin left, thick _or_ thin, I wonder? ---
**Author:** ![Teinyhr](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teinyhr/32/374406_2.png) [@Teinyhr](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teinyhr)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2018, 8:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/matari-tattoos-on-non-matari/96544/60 "2018-08-11T08:02:28Z")
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