# Matari Tattoos On Non Matari **URL:** \ **Category:** Intergalactic Summit\ **Created:** [August 9, 2018, 6:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/matari-tattoos-on-non-matari/96544 "2018-08-09T06:29:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Rana\_Ash](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rana_ash/32/374123_2.png) [@Rana\_Ash](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rana_Ash)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2018, 6:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/matari-tattoos-on-non-matari/96544/81 "2018-08-14T06:08:21Z")
Perhaps the way is to push some earlier tattoos and pictagrams, most matari have seen dog,fedo pictagrams. Or make some up and push them as edgy/ rebellious, just draw some stylized doodles and name them something like death,claw or this is not a real tattoo i am just being edgy 😃 . I may have to contact a linguist about this, i could ask one of my clan elders but that would just be proving them right. Yes Great Uncle i should have studied harder and really studied our history… ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2018, 6:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/matari-tattoos-on-non-matari/96544/82 "2018-08-14T06:59:15Z")
> [@Rana\_Ash](#): > > name them something like death,claw Dark Stormclaw of the Grim Nightraven. Or, you know, just an indiscriminate black scribble, call it the Mark of the Dark Grim Grimdark Dark Dark Grim Dark… Shadow. ---
**Author:** ![Pieter\_Tuulinen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pieter_tuulinen/32/155371_2.png) [@Pieter\_Tuulinen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pieter_Tuulinen)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2018, 2:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/matari-tattoos-on-non-matari/96544/83 "2018-08-14T14:27:03Z")
I still have some of my Sebiestor cadre of ground crew - even given my preference for Kaalakiota trained staff they simply were the best at getting small, expendable, ships rigged for immediate combat in trying circumstances. Believe me - I’m a long way down the line from not giving the Matari credit for their strengths! I do like to think that I’d be sensible enough not to create a deliberately predatory business climate with a long-term partner - but you’d have to ask my wife about that. ---
**Author:** ![Aria\_Jenneth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aria_jenneth/32/469792_2.png) [@Aria\_Jenneth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aria_Jenneth)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2018, 4:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/matari-tattoos-on-non-matari/96544/84 "2018-08-14T16:29:31Z")
Mostly the worry is that there are those in the State (kind of a lot, even?) who don’t believe you need any long-term partners, Pieter. Even a brief political alliance of the Patriots and Practicals, and … well … Maybe I’m overestimating how deliberately cruel the State can be to outsiders, but, while I understand I might also be underestimating the Matari, it also seems like the Republic has maybe some corruption problems some Caldari entities might not shrink from exploiting? Inward focus and self-interest might keep the State from telling people you’re invading or otherwise messing with them for their own good, but, purposely worrying first and primarily and maybe even only about your own also means not caring a lot about other people. Even on Achura, if the Caldari want something bad enough, they’ll take it. And we have kind of special status even as client peoples go. I’m not ungrateful, but … it’s not a non-issue, either, you know? ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2018, 11:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/matari-tattoos-on-non-matari/96544/85 "2018-08-14T23:12:11Z")
> [@Aria\_Jenneth](#): > > while I understand I might also be underestimating the Matari, it also seems like the Republic has maybe some corruption problems some Caldari entities might not shrink from exploiting That might be the best way to deal with the corruption issues, really. An external pressure prompts internal response, and then another round of purges to root out that corruption. It’s certainly a more unifying force than pointing fingers at one another. ---
**Author:** ![Haru\_kai\_Vidaraltyr](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/haru_kai_vidaraltyr/32/331376_2.png) [@Haru\_kai\_Vidaraltyr](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Haru_kai_Vidaraltyr)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2018, 2:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/matari-tattoos-on-non-matari/96544/86 "2018-08-15T02:30:12Z")
We should not shy away from the truth that what others call ‘corruption’ is a fundamental part of most clans’ approach to business. If someone wants to develop a relationship for business, they will need to honour - or bring honour (and status) - to the clan chief. That ‘honour’ can be spiritual and/or symbolic, but that’s tough for an outsider to master. More usually, the ‘honour’ is of the shiny variety. For many leaders, the shinier, the more status it brings. There’s a very fine - and not easily defined - line between this legitimate recognition of tribal and clan tradition and winning business through overly lavish gifts (also known as bribery). I suspect the Caldari are rather good at exploiting these customs to win contracts. Such gifts would appear in the ledger as a simple cost of doing business rather than all the moral squeamishness the Federation-based business might affect or actually be subject to. External pressures have rarely done much to change the tribes’ minds about time-honoured practices. And the above doesn’t even touch on the ‘appropriate cut’ that every level of the supply chain requires so that they don’t feel disrespected. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2018, 4:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/matari-tattoos-on-non-matari/96544/87 "2018-08-15T04:44:17Z")
Pfft. That’s not what I mean when I say ‘corruption’. I mean actual corruption: Republic bureaucrats (not Tribal or Clan officials) taking bribes or doing favors that violate the laws that bind them, or committing other crimes. The Tribes do business as the Tribes according to their own rules. The Clans do business by theirs. The Republic, and those acting in its name, must abide by its laws in such matters. My mother can’t go letting Clan protocols affect how she performs her duties in an administrative position on a Republic Security Services station. My cousin Alfar, working on a Stjörnauga-operated in-system hauler, can. ---
**Author:** ![Rana\_Ash](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rana_ash/32/374123_2.png) [@Rana\_Ash](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rana_Ash)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2018, 6:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/matari-tattoos-on-non-matari/96544/88 "2018-08-15T06:30:17Z")
Not really sure how corruption relates to Tattoos, unless there is some corruption amongst those making tattoos 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Bjorn\_Tyrson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bjorn_tyrson/32/371958_2.png) [@Bjorn\_Tyrson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bjorn_Tyrson)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2018, 1:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/matari-tattoos-on-non-matari/96544/89 "2018-08-15T13:19:12Z")
frankly i’m more ashamed that there are still matari out there who are so reckless and uncontrolled that they would resort to violence, against kids no less, over a little bit of ink on skin. ---
**Author:** ![Renelle\_Ronuken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/renelle_ronuken/32/165790_2.png) [@Renelle\_Ronuken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Renelle_Ronuken)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2018, 2:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/matari-tattoos-on-non-matari/96544/90 "2018-08-15T14:01:20Z")
Darling, my violence is very well controlled. ---
**Author:** ![Pieter\_Tuulinen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pieter_tuulinen/32/155371_2.png) [@Pieter\_Tuulinen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pieter_Tuulinen)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2018, 2:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/matari-tattoos-on-non-matari/96544/91 "2018-08-15T14:35:38Z")
You’re not wrong, Aria, but I’ve never shared that belief. Not out of altruism, you understand? I am as focused on the success of my in-group as much as any Patriot - but the absolute truth is that the best partnerships are long-term and reciprocal. If you get the reputation for being ruthless but honest, you’ll enjoy more long-term success than you will with just a reputation for ruthlessness. ---
**Author:** ![Teinyhr](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teinyhr/32/374406_2.png) [@Teinyhr](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teinyhr)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2018, 3:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/matari-tattoos-on-non-matari/96544/92 "2018-08-15T15:31:42Z")
> [@Bjorn\_Tyrson](#): > > over a little bit of ink on skin. To many it’s more than just ink, and Voluval decidedly is not ink at all. To many Minmatar it forms a basis of personal identity, and represents history, tradition and culture that was repressed and actively erased for over 700 years. So much of the ancient Minmatar culture is lost and stolen - as I have said earlier, I don’t condone the violence, but I can certainly understand it under certain circumstances. While I wouldn’t call it sacred, when you appropriate a Voluval for example, you are painfully poking at something very personal and dear to many people, and It is no wonder those people then might lash out. ---
**Author:** ![Bjorn\_Tyrson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bjorn_tyrson/32/371958_2.png) [@Bjorn\_Tyrson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bjorn_Tyrson)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2018, 4:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/matari-tattoos-on-non-matari/96544/93 "2018-08-15T16:03:25Z")
> [@Teinyhr](#): > > > [@Bjorn\_Tyrson](#): > > > > over a little bit of ink on skin. > > To many it’s more than just ink, and Voluval decidedly is not ink at all. To many Minmatar it forms a basis of personal identity, and represents history, tradition and culture that was repressed and actively erased for over 700 years. So much of the ancient Minmatar culture is lost and stolen - as I have said earlier, I don’t condone the violence, but I can certainly understand it under certain circumstances. While I wouldn’t call it sacred, when you appropriate a Voluval for example, you are painfully poking at something very personal and dear to many people, and It is no wonder those people then might lash out. do these gallente kids have a voluval? if not, then it is just ink on skin. ---
**Author:** ![Kalaratiri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kalaratiri/32/477189_2.png) [@Kalaratiri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kalaratiri)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2018, 4:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/matari-tattoos-on-non-matari/96544/94 "2018-08-15T16:16:34Z")
Way to miss the point, genius. ---
**Author:** ![Bjorn\_Tyrson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bjorn_tyrson/32/371958_2.png) [@Bjorn\_Tyrson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bjorn_Tyrson)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2018, 4:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/matari-tattoos-on-non-matari/96544/95 "2018-08-15T16:26:08Z")
what point? a voluval is not a tattoo, and a tattoo will never be a voluval. so what if some dumb kid has some ink that looks vaguely like one of our markings, doesn’t mean he deserves to get his ass beat or even killed. that kinda behavior only proves that we are the mindless savages the amarr believe us to be. ---
**Author:** ![Anabella\_Rella](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anabella_rella/32/504852_2.png) [@Anabella\_Rella](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anabella_Rella)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2018, 8:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/matari-tattoos-on-non-matari/96544/96 "2018-08-15T20:35:49Z")
The point being that tattoos are visible symbols of titles, ranks and/or experiences that have been EARNED through blood, sweat and hard work. After I left the Federation I joined the Matari armed forces where I served honorably for several years before becoming a capsuleer. I have tattoos that symbolize that time in my life during which I lost many friends and subordinates under my command. I have tattoos memorializing some of these fallen comrades. Each of them have a _very_ special meaning to me, obviously, not to mention tattoos for family, clan, my in-space achievements, etc. While I don’t agree that violence should be the _first_ response, I admit that it would take all of my self restraint not to beat the hell out of some punk kid I ran into sporting a copy of one of my Army or clan tattoos. Put it this way; let’s say that you had a beloved spouse who’d been brutally murdered and you’d gotten a tattoo to honor their memory. Then one day you saw some non-Matari kid blithely walking down the street wearing a poorly made copy of that tattoo. They have no clue what that mark means to you; to them it’s simply a fashion statement. How would you feel? What would your _first_ inclination be? ---
**Author:** ![Deitra\_Vess](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/deitra_vess/32/249726_2.png) [@Deitra\_Vess](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Deitra_Vess)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2018, 9:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/matari-tattoos-on-non-matari/96544/97 "2018-08-15T21:11:01Z")
> [@Bjorn\_Tyrson](#): > > that kinda behavior only proves that we are the mindless savages the amarr believe us to be. It’s funny, alot of us wish to defend the culture we’ve been forced to rebuild due to those who refer to us as savages, isn’t it? Maybe their input on what we are is a little biased and maybe it’s rather irrelevant I would think. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2018, 9:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/matari-tattoos-on-non-matari/96544/98 "2018-08-15T21:17:44Z")
Yeah, I’m not exactly sold on taking advice in civility from the bloodthirsty savages that attacked and enslaved peaceful planets without warning, myself. ---
**Author:** ![Teinyhr](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teinyhr/32/374406_2.png) [@Teinyhr](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teinyhr)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2018, 9:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/matari-tattoos-on-non-matari/96544/99 "2018-08-15T21:18:27Z")
Opinions of the Amarr means jack and ■■■■ in this case in particular. Also, we are not a hive mind. Others value these kind of things higher than others. I’d beat even _you_ up for pretending to be a Ray of Matar, or being in my clan, but probably not for much else. Still, this is an emotional topic with emotional responses. Don’t expect calmness and cold logic. ---
**Author:** ![Aria\_Jenneth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aria_jenneth/32/469792_2.png) [@Aria\_Jenneth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aria_Jenneth)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2018, 11:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/matari-tattoos-on-non-matari/96544/100 "2018-08-15T23:26:30Z")
So-- uh, Ms. Teinyhr? Without actually agreeing necessarily with Mr. Tyrson, I think his point might have been more about playing into Amarrian hands, rhetorically. It’s comparatively easy to make people out to be awful if those same people help you make the case. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/matari-tattoos-on-non-matari/96544.md?page=4) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/matari-tattoos-on-non-matari/96544.md?page=6)