# Mechanic or gameplay that is considered unfair gaming **URL:** \ **Category:** Assembly Hall\ **Created:** [December 21, 2021, 12:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mechanic-or-gameplay-that-is-considered-unfair-gaming/342568 "2021-12-21T00:43:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2022, 9:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mechanic-or-gameplay-that-is-considered-unfair-gaming/342568/324 "2022-01-23T09:50:38Z")
> [@naPasik](#): > > As I said…in your previous message you discriminated not to mention the toxic manner you approached this thread… Bro, it is not our fault you suck at EVE and general ed my guy 😃 > [@naPasik](#): > > How the hypocrite speaks…yeah…i checked your killboard…you do a couple of kills in a day then three losses on the next not to mention some of the kills are MTUs in high sec lol Yes, cause everyone uploads every kill to zkill right? And yea? Everyone loses ships? Its EVE bruv. Also if you can’t figure out the MTU kills, well, it just shows you still suck at EVE 😃 ---
**Author:** ![naPasik](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/napasik/32/301688_2.png) [@naPasik](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/naPasik)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2022, 2:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mechanic-or-gameplay-that-is-considered-unfair-gaming/342568/325 "2022-01-23T14:20:46Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > our fault there is nobody with you…why would you use plural… unless you would be a schizophrenic ---
**Author:** ![naPasik](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/napasik/32/301688_2.png) [@naPasik](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/naPasik)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2022, 2:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mechanic-or-gameplay-that-is-considered-unfair-gaming/342568/326 "2022-01-23T14:23:43Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > Also if you can’t figure out the MTU kills, well, it just shows you still suck at EVE lol yeah 7 mil isk MTU that doesn t shoot back [Mobile Tractor Unit | Salarium Minimum | Killmail | zKillboard](https://zkillboard.com/kill/95734167/) you very good at eve hahaha ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2022, 4:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mechanic-or-gameplay-that-is-considered-unfair-gaming/342568/327 "2022-01-23T16:05:38Z")
Mtu hunting can be very lucrative ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2022, 1:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mechanic-or-gameplay-that-is-considered-unfair-gaming/342568/328 "2022-01-24T01:57:24Z")
> [@naPasik](#): > > there is nobody with you…why would you use plural… unless you would be a schizophrenic Our as in the rest of EVE 😃 Oof. You insult someone’s mental health and engage in ableism, but I’m the space bully right? 😃 > [@naPasik](#): > > lol yeah 7 mil isk MTU that doesn t shoot back [Mobile Tractor Unit | Salarium Minimum | Killmail | zKillboard](https://zkillboard.com/kill/95734167/) you very good at eve hahaha It doesn’t 😃 But the guy its attached to hopefully will. Learn how to EVE 😃 ---
**Author:** ![naPasik](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/napasik/32/301688_2.png) [@naPasik](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/naPasik)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2022, 4:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mechanic-or-gameplay-that-is-considered-unfair-gaming/342568/329 "2022-01-24T16:04:59Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > Our as in the rest of EVE so you consider yourself the rest of eve…lol ---
**Author:** ![naPasik](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/napasik/32/301688_2.png) [@naPasik](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/naPasik)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2022, 4:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mechanic-or-gameplay-that-is-considered-unfair-gaming/342568/330 "2022-01-24T16:05:43Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > Oof. You insult someone’s mental health and engage in ableism i never called you a schizo…learn english ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2022, 7:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mechanic-or-gameplay-that-is-considered-unfair-gaming/342568/331 "2022-01-24T19:04:40Z")
> [@naPasik](#): > > i never called you a schizo…learn english Oh? Come now my man, we both know what you implied. And now you attempt to gas light hm? But I’m the cyber bully right? 😃 Even tho all I did was educate you on a mechanic of the game that was designed that way by its creators. Sigh. A good deed never goes unpunished amirite? ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2022, 10:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mechanic-or-gameplay-that-is-considered-unfair-gaming/342568/332 "2022-01-24T22:19:51Z")
Everybody who wants to win the Olympics should get to. Same with level 6 abyss. We need to get rid of obstacles to 100% player satisfaction. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2022, 11:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mechanic-or-gameplay-that-is-considered-unfair-gaming/342568/333 "2022-01-24T23:00:07Z")
So you say everyone should get a participation medal including the ISK and other rewards of the same or almost the same amount as if they successfully completed the thing? 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2022, 11:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mechanic-or-gameplay-that-is-considered-unfair-gaming/342568/334 "2022-01-24T23:20:14Z")
It is only fair. ---
**Author:** ![naPasik](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/napasik/32/301688_2.png) [@naPasik](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/naPasik)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2022, 5:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mechanic-or-gameplay-that-is-considered-unfair-gaming/342568/335 "2022-01-25T17:46:32Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > Even tho all I did was educate you on a mechanic of the game that was designed that way by its creators. you have no idea how it was designed…and the idea behind unless you were part of the design team ---
**Author:** ![naPasik](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/napasik/32/301688_2.png) [@naPasik](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/naPasik)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2022, 5:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mechanic-or-gameplay-that-is-considered-unfair-gaming/342568/336 "2022-01-25T17:48:25Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > Even tho all I did was educate you on a mechanic of the game you have got no place in eve gameplay education ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2022, 6:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mechanic-or-gameplay-that-is-considered-unfair-gaming/342568/337 "2022-01-25T18:38:42Z")
> [@naPasik](#): > > you have no idea how it was designed…and the idea behind unless you were part of the design team Wut. CCP literally told us what the Abyss is designed for and how it works. Like literally. > [@naPasik](#): > > you have got no place in eve gameplay education Well you can lead a horse to water. but you can’t make him drink yennoe? ---
**Author:** ![naPasik](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/napasik/32/301688_2.png) [@naPasik](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/naPasik)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2022, 12:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mechanic-or-gameplay-that-is-considered-unfair-gaming/342568/338 "2022-01-27T12:20:25Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > Wut. CCP literally told us what the Abyss is designed for and how it works. Like literally. Really…why don t you tell us all then what it was designed for ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2022, 6:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mechanic-or-gameplay-that-is-considered-unfair-gaming/342568/339 "2022-01-27T18:31:51Z")
> [@naPasik](#): > > Really…why don t you tell us all then what it was designed for [https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Abyssal\_Deadspace](https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Abyssal_Deadspace) Read it and weep friend 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Oskar\_Milde](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/oskar_milde/32/396309_2.png) [@Oskar\_Milde](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Oskar_Milde)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2022, 1:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mechanic-or-gameplay-that-is-considered-unfair-gaming/342568/340 "2022-01-28T13:26:18Z")
Ok, it took me a while but I found a Reddit AMA with CCP following the launch of filaments back in 2018. Here’s the critical part for your consideration. > - **People have been saying the high tier sites are unrunnable. What death to completion ratio would you consider to be balanced? Is there another metric you’re looking at?** > We will definitely be looking at completion ratios and also drilling in to see what kind of fits are required, what enemy spawns are the killers, and of course looking at player opinion and feedback as well. We can’t put a specific number on expected completion rate but we want them to be hard so it won’t be anywhere near 100%. Someone just showed me some completion data from day one though and it looks like tier 4 success rate is around 80 and tier 5 success rate is around 60%, which both sound pretty healthy for day one. Hopefully now we can finally put this one to bed: the high tier sites are, by design, not supposed to be 100% completed. They are hard to do, and there is no expectation that someone will be able to complete 100% of them. Edit: link to AMA [Reddit - Dive into anything](https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/8na2uv/20180530_17001800_utc_abyssal_deadspace_dev_ama/dztzlwq/) ---
**Author:** ![naPasik](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/napasik/32/301688_2.png) [@naPasik](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/naPasik)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2022, 11:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mechanic-or-gameplay-that-is-considered-unfair-gaming/342568/341 "2022-02-02T11:27:40Z")
> [@Oskar\_Milde](#): > > Hopefully now we can finally put this one to bed: the high tier sites are, by design, not supposed to be 100% completed. They are hard to do, and there is no expectation that someone will be able to complete 100% of them. I did it tho…i did not give up until i found it…I did…the one fit to rule them all…i don t think anybody knows about the combo…i don t think anybody has ever managed to do the death spawns in any fit like this…but i found the one fit…in this fit you can defeat the death spawns…and before anybody asks i will not ever share it or make videos about it…in any case…even if anybody did discover the fit there will be very few that can handle the pressure of defeating the „death spawns„someone that will try but is not made for this… he will brake…his hands will be shaking…he wouldn t know what to do next…and will die quick and with that being said they are not death spawns anymore. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2022, 11:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mechanic-or-gameplay-that-is-considered-unfair-gaming/342568/342 "2022-02-02T11:54:25Z")
> [@naPasik](#): > > before anybody asks i will not ever share it or make videos about it “I have proof, but only ccp will see that I did it. Lowlife eve players aren’t worth my time to prove I did something impossible, therefore they just have to believe me when I say I did it” I’m pretty sure if it was 100% where nobody would complete it and someone did, ccp would make a big deal out of it (like the recent world record breaker for visiting all systems) ---
**Author:** ![Oskar\_Milde](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/oskar_milde/32/396309_2.png) [@Oskar\_Milde](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Oskar_Milde)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2022, 12:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mechanic-or-gameplay-that-is-considered-unfair-gaming/342568/343 "2022-02-02T12:24:06Z")
Well, congrats then my dude. Just to confirm then, all the malding above about unfair game mechanics and so on was just nonsense, right? Just needed some further research and testing? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mechanic-or-gameplay-that-is-considered-unfair-gaming/342568.md?page=16) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mechanic-or-gameplay-that-is-considered-unfair-gaming/342568.md?page=18)