# Mechanic or gameplay that is considered unfair gaming **URL:** \ **Category:** Assembly Hall\ **Created:** [December 21, 2021, 12:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mechanic-or-gameplay-that-is-considered-unfair-gaming/342568 "2021-12-21T00:43:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Xuxe\_Xu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuxe_xu/32/464660_2.png) [@Xuxe\_Xu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuxe_Xu)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2021, 3:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mechanic-or-gameplay-that-is-considered-unfair-gaming/342568/62 "2021-12-22T03:01:18Z")
> [@Vivaldo\_Pserad](#): > > this is a good thread…please continue Agreed, please do continue @naPasik I would like to know more about legal action against this! ---
**Author:** ![naPasik](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/napasik/32/301688_2.png) [@naPasik](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/naPasik)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2021, 3:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mechanic-or-gameplay-that-is-considered-unfair-gaming/342568/63 "2021-12-22T03:21:21Z")
> [@Xeux](#): > > It is humorous to see naPafk so full of himself, so positive that if he cannot do it then nobody could do it. Even more outlandish are his demands that the challenge be completely removed from the game - but that would adversely affect the truly skilled players that are honing their skills and best practices. Did you know that when you enter the abyss your fit is being tracked and countered with a spawn against your weakness? i am not saying to be removed from the game…concentrate…and read properly 🙂 when did i ever say for the T6 Dark sites to be removed? i was talking about the death spawns…or maybe like somebody said maybe delay them so you don t die as quick, which brings me to your other comment that says i am so full of myself that if can t do it nobody can…a death spawn is a death spawn…you can t beat it…for example as i mentioned previously and i quote : „I recently bumped into a new spawn in these T6 darks that is formed of three sleeper BSs…( and in the T6 sites this spawn is usually formed of 4 sleeper BSs ) but this particular spawn sits on top of a smart-bomb tower alaways and if you are in a missile boat you can t hit them…you do every now and again…but its really hard to take them down…and you do eventually but you are out of time…and in the dark sites turret boats don t work really cause you get a penalty to turret optimal range and there are lots of rats that turret disrupt you while they kite you at range…its hard to keep up cause they have speed bonus.thats another example of a death spawn.„ ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2021, 3:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mechanic-or-gameplay-that-is-considered-unfair-gaming/342568/64 "2021-12-22T03:42:34Z")
I really admire how much time and energy you put into convincing yourself that if you can’t do it then nobody can do it. ---
**Author:** ![naPasik](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/napasik/32/301688_2.png) [@naPasik](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/naPasik)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2021, 3:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mechanic-or-gameplay-that-is-considered-unfair-gaming/342568/65 "2021-12-22T03:44:57Z")
> [@Xuxe\_Xu](#): > > I would like to know more about legal action against this! Ok when a certain gameplay or game mechanic is specifically designed to contribute to player loss or player death by making it sort of like a cheat mechanic…example : the weapon cycle shouldn t go the extra quarter once the target is dead instead it should stop where it started at the bottom middle. That is a cheat mechanic intentionally made to slow your dps and when time is against you in the abyss it will contribute to being out of time and die in there..its unfairly programmed . Any video game company can be sued by any player by contacting The International Association of Gaming Regulators (IAGR).There is a gaming law that forbids cheating. The video game companies can sue players for cheating and vice-versa .They don t want us to cheat with bots but they can cheat on us…its not gonna fly ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2021, 4:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mechanic-or-gameplay-that-is-considered-unfair-gaming/342568/66 "2021-12-22T04:04:59Z")
> [@naPasik](#): > > Ok when a certain gameplay or game mechanic is specifically designed to contribute to player loss or player death by making it sort of like a cheat mechanic It is not. It is a part of the game ROFL. Do you even hear yourself talk? > [@naPasik](#): > > Any video game company can be sued by any player by contacting The International Association of Gaming Regulators (IAGR).There is a gaming law that forbids cheating. The video game companies can sue players for cheating and vice-versa .They don t want us to cheat with bots but they can cheat on us…its not gonna fly Thank you sir. I have not laughed out loud like that in a long time. You have brought joy to my life 😃 Your misunderstanding of the law and TOS astounds me 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Xuxe\_Xu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuxe_xu/32/464660_2.png) [@Xuxe\_Xu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuxe_Xu)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2021, 4:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mechanic-or-gameplay-that-is-considered-unfair-gaming/342568/67 "2021-12-22T04:14:03Z")
> [@naPasik](#): > > Any video game company can be sued by any player by contacting The International Association of Gaming Regulators (IAGR).There is a gaming law that forbids cheating. Oh? wow! Are you going to do that? ---
**Author:** ![naPasik](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/napasik/32/301688_2.png) [@naPasik](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/naPasik)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2021, 4:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mechanic-or-gameplay-that-is-considered-unfair-gaming/342568/68 "2021-12-22T04:15:44Z")
> [@Xuxe\_Xu](#): > > Oh? wow! Are you going to do that? I will show no mercy if they don t change the mechanics to the way they supposed to be ---
**Author:** ![Xuxe\_Xu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuxe_xu/32/464660_2.png) [@Xuxe\_Xu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuxe_Xu)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2021, 4:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mechanic-or-gameplay-that-is-considered-unfair-gaming/342568/69 "2021-12-22T04:24:05Z")
Perhaps noted American game issues lawyer Lionel Hutz will take the case! CCP will be in trouble then! ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2021, 5:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mechanic-or-gameplay-that-is-considered-unfair-gaming/342568/70 "2021-12-22T05:00:44Z")
> [@naPasik](#): > > I will show no mercy if they don t change the mechanics to the way they supposed to be What way is it supposed to be? Considering they are the game designers? And you’re a player? ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2021, 8:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mechanic-or-gameplay-that-is-considered-unfair-gaming/342568/72 "2021-12-22T08:51:21Z")
I like that abyssals aren’t 100% unbeatable, it adds another dynamic to the abyssal ship fits: cost effectiveness. For example: Is that extra 5 billion you put in blinging your ship fit really worth it or does it reduce your expected net payout after accounting for the occasional ship loss? ---
**Author:** ![naPasik](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/napasik/32/301688_2.png) [@naPasik](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/naPasik)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2021, 9:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mechanic-or-gameplay-that-is-considered-unfair-gaming/342568/73 "2021-12-22T09:38:14Z")
Understand this…and here is my dilemma, if you don t bling it you can t do most of the spawns… but then again if you bling it you gonna die anyway…so whats the point ---
**Author:** ![naPasik](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/napasik/32/301688_2.png) [@naPasik](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/naPasik)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2021, 9:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mechanic-or-gameplay-that-is-considered-unfair-gaming/342568/74 "2021-12-22T09:40:25Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > I like that abyssals aren’t 100% unbeatable, You mean beatable maybe…„aren t 100% beatable„ ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2021, 11:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mechanic-or-gameplay-that-is-considered-unfair-gaming/342568/75 "2021-12-22T11:05:00Z")
Yea that’s what I meant. 😅 > [@naPasik](#): > > so whats the point I think there can be various points: having fun, making ISK, figuring out how to solve the puzzle… You can have fun and maoe ISK in ships that aren’t worth billions, and depending on the rate you encounter this room it may even be possible that you can in fact make more ISK in a cheaper ship. ---
**Author:** ![naPasik](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/napasik/32/301688_2.png) [@naPasik](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/naPasik)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2021, 11:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mechanic-or-gameplay-that-is-considered-unfair-gaming/342568/76 "2021-12-22T11:45:31Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > it may even be possible that you can in fact make more ISK in a cheaper ship. Not in a T6 Dark ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2021, 12:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mechanic-or-gameplay-that-is-considered-unfair-gaming/342568/77 "2021-12-22T12:33:42Z")
So OP in a nutshell: ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/3/1/d/31dd984acb8973b84f73fa2638345ae30a800503.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![naPasik](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/napasik/32/301688_2.png) [@naPasik](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/naPasik)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2021, 12:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mechanic-or-gameplay-that-is-considered-unfair-gaming/342568/78 "2021-12-22T12:44:14Z")
lol lol ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2021, 9:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mechanic-or-gameplay-that-is-considered-unfair-gaming/342568/79 "2021-12-22T21:33:45Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > I like that abyssals aren’t 100% unbeatable, it adds another dynamic to the abyssal ship fits: cost effectiveness. > > For example: Is that extra 5 billion you put in blinging your ship fit really worth it or does it reduce your expected net payout after accounting for the occasional ship loss? Its why I don’t run T5/6. 4 is the sweet spot for me. > [@naPasik](#): > > Understand this…and here is my dilemma, if you don t bling it you can t do most of the spawns… but then again if you bling it you gonna die anyway…so whats the point You only die some of the time. It is working as intended. Learn to EVE kthx. ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2021, 1:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mechanic-or-gameplay-that-is-considered-unfair-gaming/342568/80 "2021-12-23T01:20:22Z")
> [@naPasik](#): > > There is a certain Marshal spawn that is 100% death…no escape because as soon as you arrive in that particular room, it drops you strait in a blue cloud that gives 300% signature radius increase and there are 4 or 5 sometimes Marshal BSs plus a variety of frigates and cruisers that will kill you without you having the chance to do anything,I am telling you this because i lost 2 jackdaws worth 5 bil isk each to that spawn in a Tier 6 Dark abyssal site , also there is a mechanic that is unfair when you arrive in room 2 and 3 it drops you in the room moving… This is known. There are a few rooms that if you get unlucky enough to get them, you’re going to die. It’s part of the risk/reward balance of the abyssal sites. The Tier 6 sites are the absolute hardest in the game, and they’ve had some next-to-impossible rooms as part of their balance since they were introduced. > [@naPasik](#): > > I believe that if thats intentional modified mechanic to slow you down in the abyss to make sure you are out of time and die, its considered a cheat mechanic to cause player death in which case its actually illegal cheat considered unfair gaming. No, it’s simply the way the room is designed. > [@naPasik](#): > > This needs to be changed back to normal and it needs to be changed ASAP as players can actually take CCP games to court for this if i am not wrong. There’s no cause of action here that would be cognizable in an American court, nor do I believe there would be any in an Icelandic court, which is where the case would have to be brought under the terms of the EULA. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2021, 1:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mechanic-or-gameplay-that-is-considered-unfair-gaming/342568/81 "2021-12-23T01:48:48Z")
I think he would rather try Geneva. ---
**Author:** ![naPasik](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/napasik/32/301688_2.png) [@naPasik](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/naPasik)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2021, 3:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mechanic-or-gameplay-that-is-considered-unfair-gaming/342568/82 "2021-12-23T03:42:07Z")
> [@Brisc\_Rubal](#): > > No, it’s simply the way the room is designed. What exactly are you referring to ? If you are referring to the Death spawn yes…it is the way it was designed…the weapon cycle mechanic how ever its a whole another story cause its not working the way it was suppose to do if you read carefully what i say about it. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mechanic-or-gameplay-that-is-considered-unfair-gaming/342568.md?page=3) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mechanic-or-gameplay-that-is-considered-unfair-gaming/342568.md?page=5)