# Miasmos mining frigate ship bay (packaged 2,500 m3)

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**Category:** Player Features & Ideas\
**Created:** [June 11, 2020, 10:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/miasmos-mining-frigate-ship-bay-packaged-2-500-m3/248452 "2020-06-11T22:35:49Z")\
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**Author:** ![Archer\_en\_Tilavine](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/archer_en_tilavine/32/461718_2.png) [@Archer\_en\_Tilavine](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Archer_en_Tilavine)\
**Post date:** [June 12, 2020, 6:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/miasmos-mining-frigate-ship-bay-packaged-2-500-m3/248452/27 "2020-06-12T18:19:44Z")

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> [@Yberta\_Molk](#):
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> Basically an alpha-version miasmos with a 3750 m3 fleet hanger

Alphas don’t need to be able to fly fleet support ships, what they need is to find other players to fleet with.

> [@Yberta\_Molk](#):
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> This would encourage alphas to fleet for the little bit of extra yield

Per one of OP’s crossposts:

> [@Mining on the cheap (hauler / venture combo)](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mining-on-the-cheap-hauler-venture-combo/248478/3):
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> Venture Hisec mining makes less than running L1/L2 security missions (after accounting for bounties and LP and loot), so this is… stupid. At least that’s (more) fun. And for sure you can make orders of magnitude more money doing exploration in a 2m frigate or doing Project Discovery (45m + numerous rewards every hour if you get good at it)

> [@Mining on the cheap (hauler / venture combo)](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mining-on-the-cheap-hauler-venture-combo/248478/34):
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> The vast majority of these players want opportunities that simultaneously generate more wealth AND are more fun. Very few players actually enjoy mining or opt for crap-yield mining setups because they find it worthwhile or fun.

> [@Mining on the cheap (hauler / venture combo)](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mining-on-the-cheap-hauler-venture-combo/248478/34):
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> Time = money + fun. Venture mining in hisec money+fun down the toilet. This is not why ANY player signed up to play EVE.

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> [@Yberta\_Molk](#):
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> we do want alphas to have fun, stick around and sub to Omega

Polishing the art of Venture mining is not going to lure players into EVE, make them stick around, or expedite them onto becoming Omega. I can’t tell you how many newbies I’ve helped become Omega within a few days of them joining EVE _without giving them any seed ISK or ships or assets_ - the only thing I gave them was knowledge… and nothing that they did involved any mining at all whatsoever.

If you want to help newbies/alphas, show them better opportunities of simultaneously having fun and making ISK. Don’t ask CCP to empower stupidity (Venture mining in hisec) or solo play. Mining in fleets is the way to go - doing everything in fleets is the way to go - this is an MMO! You don’t need to join a corp or an alliance to make friends and hang out with others.

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