# Mid Slot for Armor Industrial **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [August 25, 2021, 2:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mid-slot-for-armor-industrial/325209 "2021-08-25T14:58:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugh_crow-slave/32/441552_2.png) [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugh_Crow-Slave)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2021, 5:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mid-slot-for-armor-industrial/325209/41 "2021-08-26T17:30:20Z")
oooooor I can haul billions in my dst and have 0 tank and not have an issue tank is a red haring not a solution ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2021, 5:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mid-slot-for-armor-industrial/325209/42 "2021-08-26T17:31:06Z")
Until that one time your ship unfortunately spawns right next to an object and cannot cloak and you lose those billions in your untanked DST. Tank is an additional layer of security. Ignoring it is foolish, but don’t let it be the main layer of security either. ---
**Author:** ![Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugh_crow-slave/32/441552_2.png) [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugh_Crow-Slave)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2021, 5:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mid-slot-for-armor-industrial/325209/43 "2021-08-26T17:32:14Z")
again 6 years later and not had that happen. also if part of your solution is keeping cargo low because for some reason gankers never just roll the dice. I would need to be unable to cloak twice in the same trip. ---
**Author:** ![Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugh_crow-slave/32/441552_2.png) [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugh_Crow-Slave)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2021, 5:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mid-slot-for-armor-industrial/325209/44 "2021-08-26T17:33:46Z")
why? it works on them too ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2021, 5:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mid-slot-for-armor-industrial/325209/45 "2021-08-26T17:33:55Z")
To be fair, you only need to do the dangerous part of the trip (the one next to the trade hub) multiple times if you want to keep cargo low. Gankers usually don’t sit in the middle of nowhere to gank, they’re on main routes and in trade hubs in my (limited) HS experience. ---
**Author:** ![Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugh_crow-slave/32/441552_2.png) [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugh_Crow-Slave)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2021, 5:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mid-slot-for-armor-industrial/325209/46 "2021-08-26T17:34:23Z")
so you’re unlikely situation is simply more unlikely? ---
**Author:** ![TiberianSun371AlexW](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tiberiansun371alexw/32/510819_2.png) [@TiberianSun371AlexW](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/TiberianSun371AlexW)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2021, 5:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mid-slot-for-armor-industrial/325209/47 "2021-08-26T17:35:05Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > Gankers usually don’t sit in the middle of nowhere to gank Oh, so in the middle of backwater high sec autopilot means “waste time as ship plods towards the gate” instead of “I’m someone’s lunch” ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2021, 5:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mid-slot-for-armor-industrial/325209/48 "2021-08-26T17:35:39Z")
Yes. EVE is all about risks and probabilities. If you want to minimise risk, you don’t need to take all precautions equally at every place in the game, you take the appropriate precautions based on your location. I’ll simply dock at and warp from random NPC stations in high sec, but I’ll always use my insta-undock and insta-dock bookmarks when I’m in Jita for example. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2021, 5:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mid-slot-for-armor-industrial/325209/49 "2021-08-26T17:36:44Z")
> [@TiberianSun371AlexW](#): > > Oh, so in the middle of backwater high sec autopilot means “waste time as ship plods towards the gate” instead of “I’m someone’s lunch” That is a risk you may be willing to take. Don’t blame me when someone notices and blows you up anyway. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Terak\_Romaller](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/terak_romaller/32/374271_2.png) [@Terak\_Romaller](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Terak_Romaller)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2021, 5:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mid-slot-for-armor-industrial/325209/50 "2021-08-26T17:42:56Z")
> [@TiberianSun371AlexW](#): > > Oh, so in the middle of backwater high sec autopilot means “waste time as ship plods towards the gate” instead of “I’m someone’s lunch” Nope: it means “I’m someone’s lunch but he’s late down to eat and I’m wasting time plodding to the gate waiting for him to arrive” ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2021, 5:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mid-slot-for-armor-industrial/325209/51 "2021-08-26T17:43:38Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > system Jita Meanwhile in the rest of EVE, j/k. I think you are looking at something that is not common outside Jita and the ends of the trade routes. I use DST to retrieve PI from low sec planets and the ships there are fit for a variety of situations because what comes through the gate next may not be defensless. ---
**Author:** ![TiberianSun371AlexW](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tiberiansun371alexw/32/510819_2.png) [@TiberianSun371AlexW](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/TiberianSun371AlexW)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2021, 5:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mid-slot-for-armor-industrial/325209/52 "2021-08-26T17:48:24Z")
> [@Salt\_Foambreaker](#): > > I think you are looking at something that is not common outside Jita and the ends of the trade routes Jita is part of high sec so it is a valid example to our discussion ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2021, 5:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mid-slot-for-armor-industrial/325209/53 "2021-08-26T17:51:35Z")
> [@Salt\_Foambreaker](#): > > Meanwhile in the rest of EVE, j/k. I think you are looking at something that is not common outside Jita and the ends of the trade routes. > > I use DST to retrieve PI from low sec planets and the ships there are fit for a variety of situations because what comes through the gate next may not be defensless. Of course gank Tornados are also used outside Jita, but if you’re looking for a Tornado fit that is likely a gank Tornado fit it makes sense to look for Tornados that died in Jita. By the way, would you say a DST is a better choice in low sec to haul PI than an Epithal? And what fit would you use? I use Epithals in null (partially because it’s much easier to train into an Epithal on all PI accounts than DST), but I’m wondering about your reasons for a DST. ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2021, 5:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mid-slot-for-armor-industrial/325209/54 "2021-08-26T17:51:43Z")
> [@TiberianSun371AlexW](#): > > Jita is part of high sec so it is a valid example to our discussion Right but Jita is also a unique and wonderful place 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Gaming513\_Tyler](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gaming513_tyler/32/360798_2.png) [@Gaming513\_Tyler](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gaming513_Tyler)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2021, 6:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mid-slot-for-armor-industrial/325209/55 "2021-08-26T18:11:20Z")
No, the problem is you aren’t going to beat gankers by out-tanking them. Their entire job is to put enough DPS out to kill you before CONCORD shows up. Trying to beat someone at their own game rarely works. Haulers have to work on stealth or not being worth the gank, so you use MWD-Cloak or carry low value stuff. If you’re worth ganking, but not stealthy, and don’t have some other trick (scouts, less-travelled routes, WHs) you’re going to get ganked pretty quickly. ---
**Author:** ![Gaming513\_Tyler](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gaming513_tyler/32/360798_2.png) [@Gaming513\_Tyler](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gaming513_Tyler)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2021, 6:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mid-slot-for-armor-industrial/325209/56 "2021-08-26T18:13:28Z")
In that case it would be worth tanking, sure. But usually, T1 industrial tank doesn’t save anyone. ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2021, 6:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mid-slot-for-armor-industrial/325209/57 "2021-08-26T18:14:37Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > Epithals Mostly historical, at one time a DST was pretty good at avoiding gate camps. It has the +2 warp built in so adding WCS used to make it immune to every tackle in low except HICs. HICs used to have a speed debuff when they used their tackle and so you could fit stasis and outrun the tackle in many cases. They removed the speed debuff and changed WCS so now it may or may not be the best choice due to cost. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2021, 6:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mid-slot-for-armor-industrial/325209/58 "2021-08-26T18:14:43Z")
Any ship can be killed, you won’t be 100% safe no matter how you tank your ship or what tricks you use. But a bare minimum of tank on your ship will stop some solo gankers from being able to kill it. ---
**Author:** ![Gaming513\_Tyler](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gaming513_tyler/32/360798_2.png) [@Gaming513\_Tyler](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gaming513_Tyler)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2021, 6:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mid-slot-for-armor-industrial/325209/59 "2021-08-26T18:15:02Z")
That is true ---
**Author:** ![Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugh_crow-slave/32/441552_2.png) [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugh_Crow-Slave)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2021, 7:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mid-slot-for-armor-industrial/325209/60 "2021-08-26T19:01:53Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > Of course gank Tornados are also used outside Jita Tama, amarr, hek. Just to name a few [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mid-slot-for-armor-industrial/325209.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mid-slot-for-armor-industrial/325209.md?page=4)