# Mid Slot for Armor Industrial **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [August 25, 2021, 2:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mid-slot-for-armor-industrial/325209 "2021-08-25T14:58:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2021, 9:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mid-slot-for-armor-industrial/325209/61 "2021-08-26T21:06:17Z")
Losing a ship with no fittings is lazier than losing a ship to poor planning that had modules. Plenty of time to shoot a ship coming out of dock when its UI hasnt finished loading and tank saves em on me pretty often. ---
**Author:** ![Gaming513\_Tyler](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gaming513_tyler/32/360798_2.png) [@Gaming513\_Tyler](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gaming513_Tyler)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2021, 9:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mid-slot-for-armor-industrial/325209/62 "2021-08-26T21:57:04Z")
Youre invulnerable for a bit (30 seconds I think?) after undocking, you literally cant take damage while youre still loading unless youre running like an early 2000s piece of crap ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2021, 8:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mid-slot-for-armor-industrial/325209/63 "2021-08-27T08:04:55Z")
So to you 1.5m isk of tank is harder to do that buying a new PC? Are you high? ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2021, 11:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mid-slot-for-armor-industrial/325209/64 "2021-08-27T11:04:19Z")
Yep, you literally cannot take damage until you do, so no need to fit tank whatsoever. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anthony_fattony_amico/32/391106_2.png) [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anthony_FatTony_Amico)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2021, 11:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mid-slot-for-armor-industrial/325209/65 "2021-08-27T11:40:32Z")
Honestly all t1 haulers are death traps. 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2021, 12:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mid-slot-for-armor-industrial/325209/66 "2021-08-27T12:36:06Z")
I still like using the T1 haulers with specialised cargo, even though I can fly BR and DST. ---
**Author:** ![Gaming513\_Tyler](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gaming513_tyler/32/360798_2.png) [@Gaming513\_Tyler](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gaming513_Tyler)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2021, 8:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mid-slot-for-armor-industrial/325209/67 "2021-08-27T20:41:57Z")
Wow, what a strawman argument You dont need to buy a new PC to have invulnerability. If you do, stop playing eve and start online shopping cuz you’ll have bigger problems with this game. ---
**Author:** ![Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anthony_fattony_amico/32/391106_2.png) [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anthony_FatTony_Amico)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2021, 8:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mid-slot-for-armor-industrial/325209/68 "2021-08-27T20:43:07Z")
That is the one exception I forgot. My bad. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2021, 10:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mid-slot-for-armor-industrial/325209/69 "2021-08-27T22:28:38Z")
You are the one who created a strawman regarding loading times having anything to do with being killed on undock. Maybe you need more time flying your space machine to understand the variables present in this game. > [@Gaming513\_Tyler](#): > > stop playing eve and start online shopping cuz you’ll have bigger problems with this game. This sentence doesnt even make sense within the context, never mind the fact its gibberish. ---
**Author:** ![Gaming513\_Tyler](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gaming513_tyler/32/360798_2.png) [@Gaming513\_Tyler](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gaming513_Tyler)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2021, 10:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mid-slot-for-armor-industrial/325209/70 "2021-08-27T22:50:03Z")
Lets look back at your original statement > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Plenty of time to shoot a ship coming out of dock when its UI hasnt finished loading This is blatantly false. You can’t do this. When you undock you’re invulnerable for a little while so your UI can load and stuff, so fitting tank doesn’t save you from dying before you can react because you can’t die before you can react. There will be basically 0 exceptions to this unless your PC is terribad (like 1 from the early 2000s) would be, and if so, get a new one. You then said > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > So to you 1.5m isk of tank is harder to do that buying a new PC? > > Are you high? If you actually are playing on an early 2000s PC, get a new one. If not, my statement doesn’t apply so just do neither: Don’t fit the tank and don’t buy a new PC, because there is no problem to solve. > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > You are the one who created a strawman regarding loading times having anything to do with being killed on undock. You are the one who said you can die before you finish loading, so it’s actually you who started this. Don’t shift the blame when it’s very clearly you who started with a bad claim. > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Maybe you need more time flying your space machine to understand the variables present in this game. I’ve been playing for 3 years and have extensive experience hauling, where these sorts of things matter, I think I know damn well how undock mechanics work thank you. ---
**Author:** ![Avaelica\_Kuershin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/avaelica_kuershin/32/478139_2.png) [@Avaelica\_Kuershin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Avaelica_Kuershin)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2021, 6:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mid-slot-for-armor-industrial/325209/71 "2021-08-28T06:15:33Z")
I’ll always tank haulers according to hull and cargo value. If the cost is a few million and the benefit is an increased chance of avoiding a gank, why not do it? Ganks aren’t always 100% success. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2021, 6:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mid-slot-for-armor-industrial/325209/72 "2021-08-28T06:38:17Z")
> [@Gaming513\_Tyler](#): > > I’ve been playing for 3 years Then you clearly _dont_ have enough experience. You said; > [@Gaming513\_Tyler](#): > > unless youre running like an early 2000s piece of crap To which I replied that it was easier to fit a tank than buy a new PC. Which you called a strawman. Its a literal response to YOUR strawmannic statement that only people with PCs over 20 years old get killed undocking due to black screening for more than 30 seconds. Seriously put down the bong, kid, and get some time actually playing. Empty modules slots ffs what is wrong with you. ---
**Author:** ![TiberianSun371AlexW](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tiberiansun371alexw/32/510819_2.png) [@TiberianSun371AlexW](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/TiberianSun371AlexW)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2021, 2:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mid-slot-for-armor-industrial/325209/73 "2021-08-28T14:35:01Z")
> [@Gaming513\_Tyler](#): > > When you undock you’re invulnerable for a little while so your UI can load and stuff, so fitting tank doesn’t save you from dying before you can react because you can’t die before you can react. There will be basically 0 exceptions to this unless your PC is terribad (like 1 from the early 2000s) would be, and if so, get a new one. I think pretty much any computer made after 2010 can load in time to let you react if EVE is the only thing running (even today’s potato computer is better than something made in 2009 and who came up with term “potato computer” in the first place) but a potato computer might struggle if you tried to run EVE and another application. Not something like Skype or Mumble (small CPU requirement) but maybe a stream and suddenly potato computers are reaching their limit. I don’t think this is a likely scenario (who would do these things without getting a good computer?), but since he mentioned the possibility of getting blown up before you can react even though you get a sessions change timer, let’s try to give him the benefit of doubt and say he was thinking of some unlikely scenario where his statement applies. ---
**Author:** ![Gaming513\_Tyler](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gaming513_tyler/32/360798_2.png) [@Gaming513\_Tyler](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gaming513_Tyler)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2021, 4:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mid-slot-for-armor-industrial/325209/74 "2021-08-28T16:49:57Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > > [@Gaming513\_Tyler](#): > > > > I’ve been playing for 3 years > > Then you clearly _dont_ have enough experience. Ah yes, you need more than 3 years to learn how undock mechanics work. Go back to doing whatever you 8-year-veterans do to feel powerful over people who have been playing long enough to understand the game, but not as long as you. > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > To which I replied that it was easier to fit a tank than buy a new PC. > > Which you called a strawman. > > Its a literal response to YOUR strawmannic statement that only people with PCs over 20 years old get killed undocking due to black screening for more than 30 seconds. It was an exaggeration, who the hell actually plays eve on a PC 20 years old so you can die on undock like that? If you need to actually act on what I said, you shouldn’t be playing eve because you’ll have bigger problems elsewhere, like 2 FPS once youre in space. > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Empty modules slots ffs what is wrong with you. Who said leave empty module slots? Fit other things that are actually useful you idiot. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2021, 5:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mid-slot-for-armor-industrial/325209/75 "2021-08-28T17:04:17Z")
My god you really are a reactionary child. You should grow up a bit before attempting to discuss things with grown-ups. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2021, 5:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mid-slot-for-armor-industrial/325209/76 "2021-08-28T17:50:02Z")
> [@Gaming513\_Tyler](#): > > It was an exaggeration, WHO THE ■■■■ IS PLAYING EVE IN A 20 YEAR OLD PC THATS SO BAD YOU JUST DIE ON THE UNDOCK!? WHO!? > > If you need to actually act on what I said, you shouldn’t be playing eve because you’ll have bigger problems elsewhere, like 2 FPS once youre in space. My PC is perfectly capable of running EVE on highest settings without issues. _Usually._ Yet I have encountered black screens upon undocking that lasted for minutes. You don’t want that to happen while undocking in something valueable from Jita 4-4. Whatever you do to protect your ship, ranging from insta-undock bookmarks, gatechecks, mwd cloak tricks, don’t forget to also put some tank on your ship. ---
**Author:** ![Gaming513\_Tyler](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gaming513_tyler/32/360798_2.png) [@Gaming513\_Tyler](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gaming513_Tyler)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2021, 5:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mid-slot-for-armor-industrial/325209/77 "2021-08-28T17:50:49Z")
Sounds like something wrong with your PC then. I’ve never had that happen ---
**Author:** ![Gergoran\_Moussou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gergoran_moussou/32/381607_2.png) [@Gergoran\_Moussou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gergoran_Moussou)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2021, 5:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mid-slot-for-armor-industrial/325209/78 "2021-08-28T17:56:22Z")
There’s been something that I’ve wanted to ask you most times when I’ve seen you around on various Discord servers and now on the official forum. Have you ever considered not being a dick? ---
**Author:** ![TiberianSun371AlexW](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tiberiansun371alexw/32/510819_2.png) [@TiberianSun371AlexW](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/TiberianSun371AlexW)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2021, 6:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mid-slot-for-armor-industrial/325209/79 "2021-08-28T18:05:13Z")
Stick to the topic, you guys are free to start your own thread about if it’s possible to die while loading fi you want ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2021, 6:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mid-slot-for-armor-industrial/325209/80 "2021-08-28T18:49:21Z")
We are the ones supporting your wish for better T1 tank, he’s the one saying you shouldnt be fitting one vOv Also ask yourself why he and this one below are telling you that tanking an industrial is pointless. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mid-slot-for-armor-industrial/325209.md?page=3) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mid-slot-for-armor-industrial/325209.md?page=5)