# Military Campaigns fundamentally flawed? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [June 13, 2026, 9:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/military-campaigns-fundamentally-flawed/513267 "2026-06-13T09:17:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2026, 10:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/military-campaigns-fundamentally-flawed/513267/21 "2026-06-16T22:41:13Z")
> [@Malak\_Starfire](#): > > No one needs to be mining this stuff all day. Pretty sure we couldn’t even if we wanted to… ---
**Author:** ![Malak\_Starfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/malak_starfire/32/501915_2.png) [@Malak\_Starfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Malak_Starfire)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2026, 10:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/military-campaigns-fundamentally-flawed/513267/22 "2026-06-16T22:42:39Z")
Not at the rate it gets mined no, but again players don’t need to be able to. ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2026, 10:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/military-campaigns-fundamentally-flawed/513267/23 "2026-06-16T22:45:51Z")
It’s being mined to exchange for the Faction items at this point. If there wasn’t such a godawful conversion ratio more players would have a chance to participate. ---
**Author:** ![Skander\_Ollemari](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/skander_ollemari/32/447969_2.png) [@Skander\_Ollemari](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Skander_Ollemari)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2026, 6:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/military-campaigns-fundamentally-flawed/513267/24 "2026-06-18T18:30:15Z")
If you compare the same-type objectives with other factions, the numbers don’t add up. Some have too few, some just too much. You cannot hope 12000 people to build pioneers (72000 divided by 6 per capsuleers) We need pragmatic goals. Not overinflated stuff (at least if you aren’t Caldari that is) ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2026, 6:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/military-campaigns-fundamentally-flawed/513267/25 "2026-06-19T06:49:14Z")
I had to build 50 Vespas today. ---
**Author:** ![Buggs\_LeRoach](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/buggs_leroach/32/376676_2.png) [@Buggs\_LeRoach](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Buggs_LeRoach)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2026, 9:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/military-campaigns-fundamentally-flawed/513267/26 "2026-06-19T09:54:38Z")
> [@Ansyne\_Lins\_Heluene](#): > > From the start, the only non-PvP activity open for Gallente was a mining one. **Complete Basic Combat Missions :** complete level 1 or 2 Gallente combat missions . **Build Pioneers in Gallente Bulwark .** **Hack in Gallente Space**. \*does not have to be low-sec ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2026, 10:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/military-campaigns-fundamentally-flawed/513267/27 "2026-06-19T10:57:47Z")
I think the Caldari is around ~7200 contributors (max) on some of these “assignments”. If some of these do require 12,000 contributors - that might be really pushing it - even for Caldari. ---
**Author:** ![Sancre\_Tor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sancre_tor/32/502763_2.png) [@Sancre\_Tor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sancre_Tor)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2026, 11:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/military-campaigns-fundamentally-flawed/513267/28 "2026-06-19T11:49:24Z")
That one is easy, I did it lots of times for both Caldari and Minmatar. I use T1 drones in T2 production so its no waste. ---
**Author:** ![Cypherous](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cypherous/32/499883_2.png) [@Cypherous](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cypherous)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2026, 2:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/military-campaigns-fundamentally-flawed/513267/29 "2026-06-19T14:25:41Z")
COW was on the test server for public testing before it was launched, people had a chance to help find bugs, they clearly didn’t, CCP’s QA will never be large enough to test every possible thing in every possible combination ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2026, 5:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/military-campaigns-fundamentally-flawed/513267/30 "2026-06-19T17:39:10Z")
> [@Cypherous](#): > > COW was on the test server for public testing before it was launched, people had a chance to help find bugs, they clearly didn’t, Unless you’re a CCP/FC employee, you have no way of knowing if that is correct… > [@Cypherous](#): > > CCP’s QA will never be large enough to test every possible thing in every possible combination It only takes a few testers on different computers to actually see the majority of bugs associated with this expansion.. DMC o7 ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2026, 5:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/military-campaigns-fundamentally-flawed/513267/31 "2026-06-19T17:42:44Z")
If the test server was up all the time… Oh wait, null-sec went and ruined this for everyone… ---
**Author:** ![Malak\_Starfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/malak_starfire/32/501915_2.png) [@Malak\_Starfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Malak_Starfire)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2026, 5:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/military-campaigns-fundamentally-flawed/513267/32 "2026-06-19T17:43:28Z")
The Test server was up for a good bit…but people didn’t really test everything. ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2026, 5:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/military-campaigns-fundamentally-flawed/513267/33 "2026-06-19T17:45:07Z")
Null-sec used it as an intel source. Null-sec ruins everything… ---
**Author:** ![Malak\_Starfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/malak_starfire/32/501915_2.png) [@Malak\_Starfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Malak_Starfire)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2026, 5:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/military-campaigns-fundamentally-flawed/513267/34 "2026-06-19T17:47:58Z")
That’s fine, but even when it is available, people don’t use it to bug hunt so saying that they would be found if it was up more is just bad logic. ---
**Author:** ![Cypherous](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cypherous/32/499883_2.png) [@Cypherous](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cypherous)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2026, 5:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/military-campaigns-fundamentally-flawed/513267/35 "2026-06-19T17:50:17Z")
> Unless you’re a CCP/FC employee, you have no way of knowing if that is correct… Considering i saw the bughunters spending more time dealing with idiots messing around with capitals in FD-MLJ than i saw players actually doing the content, yeah i think its a safe bet, it always happens when the test server is open, people stop using it for its intended purpose and just want to play in the sandbox > It only takes a few testers on different computers to actually see the majority of bugs associated with this expansion.. We both know there are thousands of moving parts in EVE, so no a handful of testers won’t see all the bugs ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2026, 6:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/military-campaigns-fundamentally-flawed/513267/36 "2026-06-19T18:17:57Z")
Doesn’t matter what you say, you’re not a CCP/FC employee and you have no verifiable stats to prove it… Also the playerbase isn’t being paid to be a QA/QC team, CCP/FC should hire a dedicated team for that… Other than that, I’m not going to change my viewpoint so there’s no reason to discuss it anymore… DMC o7 ---
**Author:** ![Tiger\_space\_Thedark](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tiger_space_thedark/32/373728_2.png) [@Tiger\_space\_Thedark](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tiger_space_Thedark)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2026, 6:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/military-campaigns-fundamentally-flawed/513267/37 "2026-06-19T18:59:07Z")
that’s on ccp fault making the test server a carbon copy of evrything from the real server ---
**Author:** ![Cypherous](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cypherous/32/499883_2.png) [@Cypherous](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cypherous)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2026, 12:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/military-campaigns-fundamentally-flawed/513267/38 "2026-06-20T12:56:52Z")
Ahh yes the “You can’t prove it” argument, look, i know you’re just trying to play devils advocate here but we both know that an overwhelming majority of people who ever used SISI were not using it to actually find bugs, they were using it to test things risk free It was literally what made up nearly all of the comments in the thread saying it was going away lol So yes, i don’t have hard stats, but we both know i don’t actually need them And yes i am aware you aren’t going to change your viewpoint, but thankfully your viewpoint doesn’t affect reality 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2026, 7:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/military-campaigns-fundamentally-flawed/513267/39 "2026-06-21T07:32:31Z")
> [@Cypherous](#): > > And yes i am aware you aren’t going to change your viewpoint, but thankfully your viewpoint doesn’t affect reality And fortunately your viewpoint isn’t reality… DMC o7 ---
**Author:** ![Mordrel\_Sinclair](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mordrel_sinclair/32/499121_2.png) [@Mordrel\_Sinclair](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mordrel_Sinclair)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2026, 4:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/military-campaigns-fundamentally-flawed/513267/40 "2026-06-21T16:40:23Z")
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