# Militia corruption: Breaking the Deafening Silence on Dirty Deals **URL:** \ **Category:** Intergalactic Summit\ **Created:** [October 17, 2019, 4:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/militia-corruption-breaking-the-deafening-silence-on-dirty-deals/196136 "2019-10-17T16:48:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Utsukushi\_Shi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/utsukushi_shi/32/165284_2.png) [@Utsukushi\_Shi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Utsukushi_Shi)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2019, 6:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/militia-corruption-breaking-the-deafening-silence-on-dirty-deals/196136/84 "2019-10-18T18:34:14Z")
You know exactly as much about the goals and motivations of the leaders of these conflicts as the rest of us, which is to say next to nothing. Perhaps, likely even, you are correct and this is as meaningless as any other day in the warzone. If so, nothing was lost. ---
**Author:** ![Olacar\_xer\_Sarum](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/olacar_xer_sarum/32/283599_2.png) [@Olacar\_xer\_Sarum](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Olacar_xer_Sarum)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2019, 10:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/militia-corruption-breaking-the-deafening-silence-on-dirty-deals/196136/85 "2019-10-18T22:13:28Z")
> [@Gaven\_Lok\_ri](#): > > > [@Templar\_Dane](#): > > > > I warn all Amarr militia pilots that if you try to regain that system or any of the other systems with 24th Imperial Crusade stations we will destroy you. > > This deal was problematic enough when it was just looking the other way and allowing stations to be captured by the enemy. > > Actively aiding the enemy and aggressively attacking loyal Amarr militia doing their jobs is significantly worse. In point of fact, the former would be sedition and treason against the order of Holy Amarr, and the latter rebellion and mutiny in the face of the lawful rule and commands of His Grace the Lord Sarum, Sword Marshal of the Imperial Military Circuit of House Sarum. House Sarum will be investigating this matter further and shall consider all options with a view to measuring and implementing an appropriate response. In the meanwhile, His Grace has ordered that efforts to take and hold all systems in the Imperial Provinces of Devoid and the Bleak Lands are to be redoubled in the name of the Throne of Holy Amarr. Fully secured control of the Imperial Protectorate of Arzad II is designated a priority objective. Additionally, His Grace has seen fit to commission labour acquisition expeditions to each and every system in the Upper Rebel Provinces currently held by the forces of the 24th Imperial Crusade. All labour acquisition specialist groups will be accompanied by troops drawn from the Shining Flame company, the Red and Silver Hand company, and the Order of St. Tetrimon. A priority order has been drawn up for the full reclaiming of the population of Floseswin IV. House Sarum looks forward to resolving the matters to be investigated, to the coming reconquest and fortification of Imperial systems, and not least to welcoming new labour servants to the embrace of Holy Amarr. Lord Qatib Olacar xer Sarum Private Secretary to His Grace the Lord Sarum, Holder Kathedra of the Table Paramount of House Sarum ---
**Author:** ![Samira\_Kernher](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/samira_kernher/32/244840_2.png) [@Samira\_Kernher](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Samira_Kernher)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2019, 10:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/militia-corruption-breaking-the-deafening-silence-on-dirty-deals/196136/86 "2019-10-18T22:27:36Z")
Amarr is prohibited by CONCORD treaties, that we have signed, against enslaving citizens of nations other than Amarr, except _prisoners of war_ and _criminals_. Non-combatant civilian populations in the EMWPA territories do _not_ count as valid targets under CONCORD law. I hope that Captain Marshal Sirdan xer Qosh looks into this. ---
**Author:** ![Nomistrav](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nomistrav/32/278296_2.png) [@Nomistrav](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nomistrav)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2019, 10:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/militia-corruption-breaking-the-deafening-silence-on-dirty-deals/196136/87 "2019-10-18T22:32:53Z")
Given the state of the Empire as of late, I don’t think he’ll be pressed to care. This treaty was foolish and now we’re going to see the fallout - the _expected_ fallout, no less. ---
**Author:** ![Arsia\_Elkin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arsia_elkin/32/388703_2.png) [@Arsia\_Elkin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arsia_Elkin)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2019, 10:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/militia-corruption-breaking-the-deafening-silence-on-dirty-deals/196136/88 "2019-10-18T22:34:28Z")
> [@Olacar\_xer\_Sarum](#): > > Additionally, His Grace has seen fit to commission labour acquisition expeditions to each and every system in the Upper Rebel Provinces currently held by the forces of the 24th Imperial Crusade. If we do this, the Republic will probably respond by murdering the people on our planets when they occupy them. Eventually, we’ll just depopulate the entire warzone. I don’t like this idea. ---
**Author:** ![Vlad\_Cetes](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vlad_cetes/32/391891_2.png) [@Vlad\_Cetes](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vlad_Cetes)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2019, 10:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/militia-corruption-breaking-the-deafening-silence-on-dirty-deals/196136/89 "2019-10-18T22:40:28Z")
> [@Samira\_Kernher](#): > > Amarr is prohibited by CONCORD treaties, that we have signed, against enslaving citizens of nations other than Amarr, except _prisoners of war_ and _criminals_ . Non-combatant civilian populations in the EMWPA territories do _not_ count as valid targets under CONCORD law. Why don’t you go stop him then? Destroy the slaving ships? Bombard their collection points from orbit? Cut the supply lines? ---
**Author:** ![Alar\_Chakaid](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alar_chakaid/32/179823_2.png) [@Alar\_Chakaid](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alar_Chakaid)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2019, 10:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/militia-corruption-breaking-the-deafening-silence-on-dirty-deals/196136/90 "2019-10-18T22:40:59Z")
> [@Arsia\_Elkin](#): > > > [@Olacar\_xer\_Sarum](#): > > > > Additionally, His Grace has seen fit to commission labour acquisition expeditions to each and every system in the Upper Rebel Provinces currently held by the forces of the 24th Imperial Crusade. > > If we do this, the Republic will probably respond by murdering the people on our planets when they occupy them. Eventually, we’ll just depopulate the entire warzone. > > I don’t like this idea. How typical. As usual the Elkin-Newelle liberal coterie doesn’t like it when their betters remind them of their duty as supposedly loyal servants of Holy Amarr and, in this instance, the Royal House of Sarum. Or is it, rather, that in their secret thoughts the liberals approve of seditious dealings between Amarr and Minmatar, no doubt eagerly promoted by Ammatar traitors, to undermine the right lawful and holy rule of Amarr over Devoid, the Bleak Lands and the Rebel Provinces? I wonder. I have the honor to be, Alar Duke Chakaid of Fabai, Asbara Sardar of the Sipari Companions, Paladin Deacon, Orders Militant of the Theology Council, Plenipotentiary Representative of His Majesty Farokh Khanid III ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/1/e/1e1033be4b47b53b2eec4561988ffc72875bbb55.png) ---
**Author:** ![Vlad\_Cetes](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vlad_cetes/32/391891_2.png) [@Vlad\_Cetes](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vlad_Cetes)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2019, 10:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/militia-corruption-breaking-the-deafening-silence-on-dirty-deals/196136/91 "2019-10-18T22:43:15Z")
> [@Alar\_Chakaid](#): > > Or is it, rather, that in their secret thoughts the liberals approve of seditious dealings between Amarr and Minmatar, no doubt eagerly promoted by Ammatar traitors, to undermine the right lawful and holy rule of Amarr over Devoid, the Bleak Lands and the Rebel Provinces? I wonder. I do not recall Devoid, Bleak Lands, or the Matari Republic being under your house’s circuit, Chakaid. ---
**Author:** ![Gaven\_Lok\_ri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gaven_lok_ri/32/293159_2.png) [@Gaven\_Lok\_ri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gaven_Lok_ri)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2019, 10:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/militia-corruption-breaking-the-deafening-silence-on-dirty-deals/196136/92 "2019-10-18T22:43:25Z")
> [@Olacar\_xer\_Sarum](#): > > Fully secured control of the Imperial Protectorate of Arzad II is designated a priority objective. Understood. ---
**Author:** ![Nomistrav](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nomistrav/32/278296_2.png) [@Nomistrav](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nomistrav)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2019, 10:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/militia-corruption-breaking-the-deafening-silence-on-dirty-deals/196136/93 "2019-10-18T22:49:26Z")
> [@Alar\_Chakaid](#): > > > [@Arsia\_Elkin](#): > > > > > [@Olacar\_xer\_Sarum](#): > > > > > > Additionally, His Grace has seen fit to commission labour acquisition expeditions to each and every system in the Upper Rebel Provinces currently held by the forces of the 24th Imperial Crusade. > > > > If we do this, the Republic will probably respond by murdering the people on our planets when they occupy them. Eventually, we’ll just depopulate the entire warzone. > > > > I don’t like this idea. > > How typical. As usual the Elkin-Newelle liberal coterie doesn’t like it when their betters remind them of their duty as supposedly loyal servants of Holy Amarr and, in this instance, the Royal House of Sarum. How typical for the Bloody Duke of Fabai to make libelous claims over one of the only loyalist groups to stick to their creed in light of this treaty. I may not like them or what they stand for, but I recognize that they fight for their convictions and at least respect that much. ---
**Author:** ![Gaven\_Lok\_ri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gaven_lok_ri/32/293159_2.png) [@Gaven\_Lok\_ri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gaven_Lok_ri)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2019, 10:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/militia-corruption-breaking-the-deafening-silence-on-dirty-deals/196136/94 "2019-10-18T22:52:07Z")
> [@Alar\_Chakaid](#): > > Or is it, rather, that in their secret thoughts the liberals approve of seditious dealings between Amarr and Minmatar, no doubt eagerly promoted by Ammatar traitors, to undermine the right lawful and holy rule of Amarr over Devoid, the Bleak Lands and the Rebel Provinces? I wonder. That you go from a statement of concern about ramifications of new Sarum policy for Amarr civilians to accusations of treason is quite telling. I wonder if you might be projecting? Paladin Elkin should _not_ have posted that response. And PIE warzone operations will support the orders given by the lawful overseers for the region. But she is not in any way treasonous. ---
**Author:** ![Vlad\_Cetes](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vlad_cetes/32/391891_2.png) [@Vlad\_Cetes](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vlad_Cetes)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2019, 10:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/militia-corruption-breaking-the-deafening-silence-on-dirty-deals/196136/95 "2019-10-18T22:55:28Z")
> [@Arsia\_Elkin](#): > > If we do this, the Republic will probably respond by murdering the people on our planets when they occupy them. Eventually, we’ll just depopulate the entire warzone. A logical response to any attempted takings. How many hostages do they currently have? ---
**Author:** ![Deitra\_Vess](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/deitra_vess/32/249726_2.png) [@Deitra\_Vess](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Deitra_Vess)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2019, 10:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/militia-corruption-breaking-the-deafening-silence-on-dirty-deals/196136/96 "2019-10-18T22:57:46Z")
> [@Arsia\_Elkin](#): > > If we do this, the Republic will probably respond by murdering the people on our planets when they occupy them. Eventually, we’ll just depopulate the entire warzone. Bingo. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2019, 11:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/militia-corruption-breaking-the-deafening-silence-on-dirty-deals/196136/98 "2019-10-18T23:03:46Z")
> [@Olacar\_xer\_Sarum](#): > > His Grace has seen fit to commission labour acquisition expeditions to each and every system in the Upper Rebel Provinces currently held by the forces of the 24th Imperial Crusade. All labour acquisition specialist groups will be accompanied by troops drawn from the Shining Flame company, the Red and Silver Hand company, and the Order of St. Tetrimon. A priority order has been drawn up for the full reclaiming of the population of Floseswin IV. > [@Rinai\_Vero](#): > > If anything, the argument could be made that a negotiated agreement between the militias with respect to these systems will do more to prevent harm to civilians than the status quo. _Gosh_, it’s almost like you idiots declaring ‘this will be so good for the populace’ had no freaking clue. ---
**Author:** ![Rinai\_Vero](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rinai_vero/32/390870_2.png) [@Rinai\_Vero](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rinai_Vero)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2019, 11:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/militia-corruption-breaking-the-deafening-silence-on-dirty-deals/196136/99 "2019-10-18T23:09:29Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > _Gosh_ , it’s almost like you idiots declaring ‘this will be so good for the populace’ had no freaking clue. Except that Sarum’s statement is clearly a rejection of both this agreement _and_ the previous status quo in favor of an entirely new paradigm, and therefore not relevant to my hypothetical in either case. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2019, 11:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/militia-corruption-breaking-the-deafening-silence-on-dirty-deals/196136/100 "2019-10-18T23:17:05Z")
It’s pretty clearly a _consequence_ of this agreement. **This** is what the negotiated agreement ‘will do to civilians’, rather than the status quo. Congratulations, you and your ridiculous friends have begun the Reclaiming By Sword all over again. Every civilian life lost to it, to reprisals against it, is a result of your foolish agreement. Every child broken and battered, every woman sent to the breeding facilities to be raped over and over again, every grandchild and great-grandchild born into slavery as a result of this resumption is on _your_ head, you stupid, bloodthirsty gits. ---
**Author:** ![Deitra\_Vess](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/deitra_vess/32/249726_2.png) [@Deitra\_Vess](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Deitra_Vess)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2019, 11:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/militia-corruption-breaking-the-deafening-silence-on-dirty-deals/196136/101 "2019-10-18T23:28:08Z")
Suddenly not being enlisted in the TLF has an advantage, looks like I’ll be looking at golden skies for a while. ---
**Author:** ![Gah\_Matar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gah_matar/32/383620_2.png) [@Gah\_Matar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gah_Matar)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2019, 11:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/militia-corruption-breaking-the-deafening-silence-on-dirty-deals/196136/102 "2019-10-18T23:28:15Z")
Lord Qatib, Perhaps House Sarum may step in and shutter the useless mission agencies of the 24th Imperial Crusade throughout its space and redirect the same resources to the reconquest of the systems, results would be forthcoming quickly if that were to happen. ---
**Author:** ![Pol\_Macsliebh](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pol_macsliebh/32/376245_2.png) [@Pol\_Macsliebh](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pol_Macsliebh)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2019, 11:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/militia-corruption-breaking-the-deafening-silence-on-dirty-deals/196136/103 "2019-10-18T23:54:32Z")
Looks like things are about to get interesting… Amarrians killing Amarrians, Ushra Khan Killing Ammarians… Militia Killing Amarrians… This is a good day! The true enemy pokes its head from behind his capsuleer skivvys! Oh and Olacar xer Sarum, its called Starkman! if you’re looking for a list of the Traitors there is one floating about somewhere. ---
**Author:** ![Deitra\_Vess](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/deitra_vess/32/249726_2.png) [@Deitra\_Vess](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Deitra_Vess)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2019, 11:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/militia-corruption-breaking-the-deafening-silence-on-dirty-deals/196136/104 "2019-10-18T23:58:43Z")
Your forgetting the part about them declaring they are bringing back reclaimation by the sword, enslaving our people. Real interesting… 🤨 [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/militia-corruption-breaking-the-deafening-silence-on-dirty-deals/196136.md?page=4) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/militia-corruption-breaking-the-deafening-silence-on-dirty-deals/196136.md?page=6)