# Militia corruption: Breaking the Deafening Silence on Dirty Deals **URL:** \ **Category:** Intergalactic Summit\ **Created:** [October 17, 2019, 4:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/militia-corruption-breaking-the-deafening-silence-on-dirty-deals/196136 "2019-10-17T16:48:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Pol\_Macsliebh](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pol_macsliebh/32/376245_2.png) [@Pol\_Macsliebh](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pol_Macsliebh)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2019, 12:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/militia-corruption-breaking-the-deafening-silence-on-dirty-deals/196136/105 "2019-10-19T00:04:04Z")
Our people are enslaved Deltra or did I miss something? The Amarr haven’t the power for a Reclamation, like we don’t have the power to burn Amarr to the ground. They hide in High sec protected by Concord, our people suffering at their feet and our hands tied to help them. But in low sec they are food…let them come! ---
**Author:** ![Deitra\_Vess](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/deitra_vess/32/249726_2.png) [@Deitra\_Vess](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Deitra_Vess)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2019, 12:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/militia-corruption-breaking-the-deafening-silence-on-dirty-deals/196136/106 "2019-10-19T00:08:11Z")
The same person you quoted said they are starting “labor acquisition,” taking slaves. They were not militarially enslaving our kin before due to diplomacy in Concord. If you are currently enlisted, **PLEASE** defend our people, I got other things planned. And it’s not those in HS who will be landing on the planets and rounding up our people in systems THEY control. They aren’t the issue. ---
**Author:** ![Utsukushi\_Shi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/utsukushi_shi/32/165284_2.png) [@Utsukushi\_Shi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Utsukushi_Shi)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2019, 12:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/militia-corruption-breaking-the-deafening-silence-on-dirty-deals/196136/107 "2019-10-19T00:19:42Z")
Look at that. Maybe a week in and things are already changing. ---
**Author:** ![Rinai\_Vero](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rinai_vero/32/390870_2.png) [@Rinai\_Vero](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rinai_Vero)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2019, 12:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/militia-corruption-breaking-the-deafening-silence-on-dirty-deals/196136/108 "2019-10-19T00:20:12Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > You guys can set your own objectives. You can hold your home, set up advance stagers, bicker and squabble over what the map says… _it doesn’t matter_ . That’s not the war. Not to the guys running the war. Not to the people who have actual authority over those systems and what happens in them. All _they_ care about is those standings audits, and the LP distribution. Because controlling space… that’s not what that ‘war’ is about. The people who have actual authority: > [@Olacar\_xer\_Sarum](#): > > In the meanwhile, His Grace has ordered that efforts to take and hold all systems in the Imperial Provinces of Devoid and the Bleak Lands are to be redoubled in the name of the Throne of Holy Amarr. Fully secured control of the Imperial Protectorate of Arzad II is designated a priority objective. _Gosh,_ it’s almost like you idiots declaring that ‘missions are the only thing that matters to Empire leadership’ had no freaking clue. > [@Arrendis](#): > > It’s pretty clearly a _consequence_ of this agreement. **This** is what the negotiated agreement ‘will do to civilians’, rather than the status quo. Congratulations, you and your ridiculous friends have begun the Reclaiming By Sword all over again. > > Every civilian life lost to it, to reprisals against it, is a result of your foolish agreement. Maybe you meant to direct this to someone else. It isn’t my agreement. You do know that the Gallente Militia operates in a completely different warzone, don’t you? ---
**Author:** ![Tyrel\_Toov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tyrel_toov/32/387953_2.png) [@Tyrel\_Toov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tyrel_Toov)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2019, 12:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/militia-corruption-breaking-the-deafening-silence-on-dirty-deals/196136/109 "2019-10-19T00:39:18Z")
Well, this turned into a shitstorm. I was enjoying a nice bit of time off, too. Guess that is over. This is why we can’t have nice things. ---
**Author:** ![Deitra\_Vess](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/deitra_vess/32/249726_2.png) [@Deitra\_Vess](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Deitra_Vess)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2019, 12:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/militia-corruption-breaking-the-deafening-silence-on-dirty-deals/196136/110 "2019-10-19T00:44:04Z")
We have nice things, you just don’t ever put in fitting requisition requests. ---
**Author:** ![Tyrel\_Toov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tyrel_toov/32/387953_2.png) [@Tyrel\_Toov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tyrel_Toov)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2019, 12:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/militia-corruption-breaking-the-deafening-silence-on-dirty-deals/196136/111 "2019-10-19T00:49:30Z")
That’s because I still have a hanger full of ships. ---
**Author:** ![Gaven\_Lok\_ri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gaven_lok_ri/32/293159_2.png) [@Gaven\_Lok\_ri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gaven_Lok_ri)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2019, 12:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/militia-corruption-breaking-the-deafening-silence-on-dirty-deals/196136/112 "2019-10-19T00:59:23Z")
> [@Samira\_Kernher](#): > > Amarr is prohibited by CONCORD treaties, that we have signed, against enslaving citizens of nations other than Amarr, except _prisoners of war_ and _criminals_ . Non-combatant civilian populations in the EMWPA territories do _not_ count as valid targets under CONCORD law As I read it, this shift in policy is effectively a declaration that Amarr is switching to considering planetary populations within the CEWPA zone as either active combatants or as illegal squatters. In which case they would count under PoWs and Criminals. ---
**Author:** ![Emily\_Briscou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/emily_briscou/32/165361_2.png) [@Emily\_Briscou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Emily_Briscou)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2019, 1:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/militia-corruption-breaking-the-deafening-silence-on-dirty-deals/196136/113 "2019-10-19T01:13:42Z")
I begin by asking forgiveness. I was born Sebiestor, so I do not understand the internal workings of the Empire I serve. It is only through the light of Divine Commodore Koizumi Taira, may her meditations be tranquil, her retirement undisturbed, that I have found myself also a Divine Commodore in this 24th Imperial Crusade. It must be brought forward that in the dark 36 hours before meeting Taira, I served with the so-called “Tribal Liberation Forces”. Brutor aggression and stupidity at its finest, but I digress. If you accuse me of being a traitor, I am. It is a decision I have never regretted. To accuse me of betraying Amarr, the Empire, its rulers, its religion or its principles? Nonsense, bordering on lunacy. I have signed the so-called “Treaty”, and would not have done so if I felt it undermined Amarrian authority. These “agents” and their campaign of personal profit must be stopped. They “authorize” our impressionable young pilots to bomb civilians and to cowardly assassinate generals, then run off to the next “battle” to further demonstrate their “loyalty” to the cause. All they’re really doing is winning personal glory for the agent, moving him one step further up the hierarchy, one step closer to winning whatever twisted game they’re playing. What territory do these valiant quests claim? Which ones do they defend? Who’s flying these fleets and what are they hoping to accomplish? In the course of my duty, I have sometimes had the opportunity to ambush an enemy pilot engaging one of these mysterious task forces. On almost every occasion, the allegedly loyal Amarr Navy have turned their guns to me, allowing the ne’erdowell to finish his mischief and leave. Why? What is going on within the ranks that so many fleet officers are being slain? I’ve seen the identification tags for sale, grisly mountains of them. What’re those being used for? That is what should be under inquiry. Excuse the vulgarity of the source, but I think this data speaks volumes: [https://zkillboard.com/kill/71469520/](https://zkillboard.com/kill/71469520/) Who could be a more loyal daughter of Amarr? Who could be a more sinister barbarian? And which did the “Navy” choose to attack? I don’t know how things work where you’re from, but here’s how it works on the battlefield. Many a time, an honorable entanglement with enemy forces has been interupted by pirates hoping to clean both carcasses. At those times, it’s only sensible to unite against the greater threat, before continuing the glorious duty of combat. It is clear to me that there is a greater threat right now, these mission agents on both sides, the pilots who are enthralled to them, and whatever agenda they are pushing. That is why I formalized an agreement with men I did not believe could read, and asked my friends in the 44th Recon Company to cooperate. When this greater threat is terminated, my guns will return to whatever is left of the enemy, and I will fight them until I am told to stand down. Divine Commodore E. Briscou, 24th Imperial Crusade Acting CO 44th Recon Company Signatory ---
**Author:** ![Samira\_Kernher](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/samira_kernher/32/244840_2.png) [@Samira\_Kernher](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Samira_Kernher)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2019, 1:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/militia-corruption-breaking-the-deafening-silence-on-dirty-deals/196136/114 "2019-10-19T01:13:43Z")
> [@Gaven\_Lok\_ri](#): > > As I read it, this shift in policy is effectively a declaration that Amarr is switching to considering planetary populations within the CEWPA zone as either active combatants or as illegal squatters. In which case they would count under PoWs and Criminals. Any shift in that policy is up to the empress and the Amarr Delegate to the Inner Circle, not House Sarum. ---
**Author:** ![Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aldrith_shutaq/32/378618_2.png) [@Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aldrith_Shutaq)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2019, 2:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/militia-corruption-breaking-the-deafening-silence-on-dirty-deals/196136/115 "2019-10-19T02:19:37Z")
There is actually a legal loophole that has not been exploited as of yet: systems taken under the EMWPA treaty do fully transfer soveriegnty as recognized by CONCORD. That makes sytems under Amarr occupancy also under Amarr soveriegnty, where the slave-taking treaties do not apply. It’s just that no higher authority has chosen to put that obvious policy into practice when it comes to reclamation of planetary populations until now, likely as a courtesy to keep the ground wars in the warzone from escalating. It is, however, legal under CONCORD treaty. Lord Sarum owns those planets by decree, the Empire holds legal authority there, and he can do as he wishes in this case. ---
**Author:** ![Samira\_Kernher](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/samira_kernher/32/244840_2.png) [@Samira\_Kernher](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Samira_Kernher)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2019, 2:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/militia-corruption-breaking-the-deafening-silence-on-dirty-deals/196136/116 "2019-10-19T02:22:33Z")
> [@Aldrith\_Shutaq](#): > > There is actually a legal loophole that has not been exploited as of yet: systems taken under the EMWPA treaty do fully transfer soveriegnty as recognized by CONCORD. That makes sytems under Amarr occupancy also under Amarr soveriegnty, where the treaties do not apply. This is not true. They are occupied systems, that’s it. Caldari Navy officers [have said as much](https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/message/6399700/#post6399700) with regards to the GalCal warzone. Amarr is in no way going to consider Amarr territories occupied by the Republic as Republic territory, and vice versa the Republic and Republic territory occupied by the Empire. ---
**Author:** ![Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aldrith_shutaq/32/378618_2.png) [@Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aldrith_Shutaq)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2019, 2:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/militia-corruption-breaking-the-deafening-silence-on-dirty-deals/196136/117 "2019-10-19T02:30:45Z")
I believe your source is a prevailing example of actors with an agenda (in this case, a Caldari officer countering an argument made by Julianus Soter) speaking in carefully hedged terms to achieve a goal. The details of the treaty are complex, but it is common knowledge that “foreign” actors begin operating quite freely on the planets in occupied systems regardless of any distinctions about planetary and spaceborne soverignty. There are many instances to the contrary. For example, somehow I doubt the Intaki have the option of legal recompense via CONCORD over Lai Dai’s supposed violation of the treaty. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2019, 2:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/militia-corruption-breaking-the-deafening-silence-on-dirty-deals/196136/118 "2019-10-19T02:35:53Z")
The Intaki likely don’t. However, the Federation likely _do_. Whether or not they _care_ is another matter. ---
**Author:** ![Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aldrith_shutaq/32/378618_2.png) [@Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aldrith_Shutaq)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2019, 4:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/militia-corruption-breaking-the-deafening-silence-on-dirty-deals/196136/119 "2019-10-19T04:01:59Z")
Well, I am sure CONCORD will get right on deploying peacekeepers to keep things calm. As they have never done. and likely wrote the law so that they would not need to. ---
**Author:** ![xxsmokealotxx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xxsmokealotxx/32/142609_2.png) [@xxsmokealotxx](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/xxsmokealotxx)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2019, 5:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/militia-corruption-breaking-the-deafening-silence-on-dirty-deals/196136/120 "2019-10-19T05:02:35Z")
CONCORD doesn’t operate in low security space. If you have something against those deals you have to go there yourself to do peacekeeping. More undocking, less ■■■■■■■■ talking. ---
**Author:** ![Literia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/literia/32/491152_2.png) [@Literia](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Literia)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2019, 5:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/militia-corruption-breaking-the-deafening-silence-on-dirty-deals/196136/121 "2019-10-19T05:09:21Z")
Those people have done nothing wrong to you. Just let them live their lives out peacefully. Let them go they have done no wrong. Reclaiming will only hurt whatever means of good faith that has been going on. Please rethink this course of action, I beg you. ---
**Author:** ![Matthew\_Dust](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/matthew_dust/32/137555_2.png) [@Matthew\_Dust](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Matthew_Dust)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2019, 6:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/militia-corruption-breaking-the-deafening-silence-on-dirty-deals/196136/122 "2019-10-19T06:30:14Z")
Pretty sure Dal was lost to Amarr forces. ---
**Author:** ![Pol\_Macsliebh](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pol_macsliebh/32/376245_2.png) [@Pol\_Macsliebh](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pol_Macsliebh)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2019, 8:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/militia-corruption-breaking-the-deafening-silence-on-dirty-deals/196136/123 "2019-10-19T08:13:54Z")
For every one Minmatar civilian “reclaimed” in Floseswin, 10 Amarr civilians will be killed in Minmatar Control Armarr systems and their blood used to paint our ships! Red Khalmer “The Ushra’Khan is not a shield, it is a sword. It is not the defender of the Minmatar Republic, it is the wrath of the Minmatar people.” Red Khalmer Never again a Long Night! ---
**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2019, 8:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/militia-corruption-breaking-the-deafening-silence-on-dirty-deals/196136/124 "2019-10-19T08:15:29Z")
> [@Olacar\_xer\_Sarum](#): > > His Grace has seen fit to commission labour acquisition expeditions to each and every system in the Upper Rebel Provinces currently held by the forces of the 24th Imperial Crusade. Time to look at the calendar for our possible earliest exit date from the current deployment, then. FML. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/militia-corruption-breaking-the-deafening-silence-on-dirty-deals/196136.md?page=5) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/militia-corruption-breaking-the-deafening-silence-on-dirty-deals/196136.md?page=7)