# Militia corruption: Breaking the Deafening Silence on Dirty Deals **URL:** \ **Category:** Intergalactic Summit\ **Created:** [October 17, 2019, 4:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/militia-corruption-breaking-the-deafening-silence-on-dirty-deals/196136 "2019-10-17T16:48:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Teinyhr](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teinyhr/32/374406_2.png) [@Teinyhr](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teinyhr)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2019, 12:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/militia-corruption-breaking-the-deafening-silence-on-dirty-deals/196136/145 "2019-10-20T12:13:45Z")
If you want to play the “but they started it” game, remember that the Empire will invariably lose. ---
**Author:** ![Cain\_Aloga](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cain_aloga/32/457080_2.png) [@Cain\_Aloga](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cain_Aloga)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2019, 12:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/militia-corruption-breaking-the-deafening-silence-on-dirty-deals/196136/146 "2019-10-20T12:21:11Z")
> [@Nicoletta\_Mithra](#): > > Early on June 10th, YC 110, What a good day that was. ---
**Author:** ![Nicoletta\_Mithra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicoletta_mithra/32/378065_2.png) [@Nicoletta\_Mithra](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicoletta_Mithra)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2019, 12:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/militia-corruption-breaking-the-deafening-silence-on-dirty-deals/196136/147 "2019-10-20T12:48:24Z")
It’s not about playing a “but they started it” game. No one wins that game. And who thinks that they are, are naive beyond measure. It’s about growing up and realizing that you can’t have the cake and eat it, too. It’s about not measuring with two different sticks. It’s about owing up your actions and taking responsibility for them and your life. > [@Cain\_Aloga](#): > > What _a_ good day that was. There, fixed that for you. ---
**Author:** ![Teinyhr](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teinyhr/32/374406_2.png) [@Teinyhr](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teinyhr)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2019, 12:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/militia-corruption-breaking-the-deafening-silence-on-dirty-deals/196136/148 "2019-10-20T12:57:07Z")
> [@Nicoletta\_Mithra](#): > > It’s not about playing a “but they started it” game. Oh, I am sorry, I just figured since you went with the “well, because they did x, therefore y” route that you wanted to go all the way to “there wouldn’t be x without z and the rest of the alphabet.” ---
**Author:** ![Arsia\_Elkin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arsia_elkin/32/388703_2.png) [@Arsia\_Elkin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arsia_Elkin)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2019, 1:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/militia-corruption-breaking-the-deafening-silence-on-dirty-deals/196136/149 "2019-10-20T13:16:51Z")
I just wanted to say that although I should have voiced my concerns about retaliation privately and not publicly… > [@Pol\_Macsliebh](#): > > For every one Minmatar civilian “reclaimed” in Floseswin, 10 Amarr civilians will be killed in Minmatar Control Armarr systems and their blood used to paint our ships! > [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](#): > > Without meaning to approve of or entice the wanton murder of civilians, make no mistake: these things are _exactly what will happen_ if the Empire chooses to escalate the warzone conflict beyond current treaties. > [@Anna\_Stjornauga](#): > > The appropriate response from the Ushra’khan would be to, for every Matari civilian ‘reclaimed’ in Floseswin, kill 10 Amarr civilians in _Sarum Prime_ . > [@Deitra\_Vess](#): > > What other option do we have exactly aside from showing them our own light from the barrel of a gun? I wasn’t wrong… Anyone who thinks me a traitor for worrying about retaliation is the real traitor. ---
**Author:** ![Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aldrith_shutaq/32/378618_2.png) [@Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aldrith_Shutaq)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2019, 1:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/militia-corruption-breaking-the-deafening-silence-on-dirty-deals/196136/150 "2019-10-20T13:17:53Z")
Do not be silly. You are no traitor, but we have our bounds and we have a job to do. ---
**Author:** ![Nicoletta\_Mithra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicoletta_mithra/32/378065_2.png) [@Nicoletta\_Mithra](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicoletta_Mithra)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2019, 1:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/militia-corruption-breaking-the-deafening-silence-on-dirty-deals/196136/151 "2019-10-20T13:28:32Z")
> [@Teinyhr](#): > > Oh, I am sorry[…] Apology accepted. Even the best amongst us make such mistakes. I’m glad it’s out of the world, now. ---
**Author:** ![Deitra\_Vess](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/deitra_vess/32/249726_2.png) [@Deitra\_Vess](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Deitra_Vess)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2019, 2:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/militia-corruption-breaking-the-deafening-silence-on-dirty-deals/196136/152 "2019-10-20T14:10:03Z")
How does pointing out correctly that your leadership’s actions will invoke a response make you a traitor? Don’t get me wrong, following those “bounds and duties” without question will bring it to action. There are peaceful ways this can be resolved, it rests on your side. Violence is our only voice in this matter unfortunately. ---
**Author:** ![Nicoletta\_Mithra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicoletta_mithra/32/378065_2.png) [@Nicoletta\_Mithra](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicoletta_Mithra)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2019, 3:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/militia-corruption-breaking-the-deafening-silence-on-dirty-deals/196136/153 "2019-10-20T15:09:18Z")
> [@Deitra\_Vess](#): > > Violence is our only voice in this matter unfortunately. Oh, is that the case? I highly doubt it. ---
**Author:** ![Anna\_Stjornauga](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anna_stjornauga/32/377304_2.png) [@Anna\_Stjornauga](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anna_Stjornauga)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2019, 3:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/militia-corruption-breaking-the-deafening-silence-on-dirty-deals/196136/154 "2019-10-20T15:16:06Z")
It is the only voice the Empire has ever listened to. ---
**Author:** ![Arsia\_Elkin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arsia_elkin/32/388703_2.png) [@Arsia\_Elkin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arsia_Elkin)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2019, 3:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/militia-corruption-breaking-the-deafening-silence-on-dirty-deals/196136/155 "2019-10-20T15:26:17Z")
I _get_ the logic. That’s why I was concerned before the first call for violence. Anyone who is versed in capsuleer vs. capsuleer combat knows how escalations work. If you and I both have a fleet of frigates, and I bring cruisers… I can’t get upset at _you_ if you bring battlecruisers. I guess the battlecruisers are coming. ---
**Author:** ![Ferra\_Orta](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ferra_orta/32/318655_2.png) [@Ferra\_Orta](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ferra_Orta)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2019, 3:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/militia-corruption-breaking-the-deafening-silence-on-dirty-deals/196136/156 "2019-10-20T15:30:04Z")
> [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](#): > > People will die, innocent civilians will die, worlds will burn. And it will be this Sarum decree’s fault. Here, here. An eye for an eye. Ushra’khan will not stand silent while the Republic works around their politics, treaties and decrees. An entire planet of our people are to become more mindless drones for Sarum and some already paint us red for retaliation? We are red, but we are red with anger, red with rage and soon, if things are not resolved, red with blood. We will have our eye unless House Sarum stands down. ---
**Author:** ![Kalaratiri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kalaratiri/32/477189_2.png) [@Kalaratiri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kalaratiri)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2019, 3:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/militia-corruption-breaking-the-deafening-silence-on-dirty-deals/196136/157 "2019-10-20T15:46:53Z")
> [@Ferra\_Orta](#): > > Ushra’khan will not stand silent while the Republic works around their politics, treaties and decrees. The Republic leadership is the most sympathetic to the mindset of the Ushra’Khan that it has _ever been_ and it’s _still_ not good enough for you. ---
**Author:** ![Ferra\_Orta](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ferra_orta/32/318655_2.png) [@Ferra\_Orta](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ferra_Orta)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2019, 3:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/militia-corruption-breaking-the-deafening-silence-on-dirty-deals/196136/158 "2019-10-20T15:54:02Z")
The _only_ thing that is good enough, is _action_ to prevent the illegal enslavement of those within the Floseswin system. There is no question what must be done should Sarum not stand down. No debate to be mindlessly held here, only action to save our people from the tyranny that threatens them and retaliation should Sarum press on. If House Sarum ignores the giant political breach that they pursue, then as will we. Where are the Republic Fleet blockades that were so quick to form earlier in the year? ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2019, 4:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/militia-corruption-breaking-the-deafening-silence-on-dirty-deals/196136/159 "2019-10-20T16:05:45Z")
> [@Ferra\_Orta](#): > > Ushra’khan will not stand silent while the Republic works around their politics, treaties and decrees. An entire planet of our people are to become more mindless drones for Sarum and some already paint us red for retaliation? _Ushra’khan_ is partly _responsible_. If not for your idiotic treaty, this doesn’t happen. Don’t go getting indignant and putting on airs after getting what you _wanted_: a change in the status quo. ---
**Author:** ![Ferra\_Orta](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ferra_orta/32/318655_2.png) [@Ferra\_Orta](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ferra_Orta)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2019, 4:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/militia-corruption-breaking-the-deafening-silence-on-dirty-deals/196136/160 "2019-10-20T16:10:12Z")
If anything this treaty has prevented the usual harm of thousands that would have died fighting over these systems as is usual. Now a near unfathomable number of innocents are at stake and you, like many here, do nothing but point the finger. The _only_ ones to blame for this are House Sarum. Paint us what ever colour you wish, we have our people in mind and will do what needs to be done to keep them from harm and their minds free. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2019, 4:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/militia-corruption-breaking-the-deafening-silence-on-dirty-deals/196136/161 "2019-10-20T16:11:32Z")
> [@Ferra\_Orta](#): > > If anything this treaty has prevented the usual harm of thousands that would have died fighting over these systems as is usual. So which is it? Has this change _reduced_ the loss of life, or _increased_ it? You can’t have it both ways. ---
**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2019, 4:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/militia-corruption-breaking-the-deafening-silence-on-dirty-deals/196136/162 "2019-10-20T16:13:45Z")
> Frankly, I’d like to see Karin Midular taken out and shot, but I’d settle for someone tabling a motion of no confidence in Parliament. The leadership of the Republic needs to understand that men and women of conscience cannot stand by while their kinsfolk are sold out by the people who are supposed to represent them. We have to speak and we have to act. > The Republic does not have an absolute right to exist at the expense of its people. > It has a MANDATE to look after them. > If the Republic is just going to become a surrogate of the Empire, then what exactly are you supporting? > Either look after the People. Or the People will look after themselves, **by any means necessary.** > I know all about the ‘peace’ you talk about. The peace you talk about while you lay comfy in your bed at night. Whilst you let slaver gangs raid daily as our borders are kept open , whilst the government you so support deals in the blood of our children for profit and industry and gets their assassins to silence anyone who dares stand against them and in the frontline defending them, is you, their little puppet. Working hard to dishonour those who rise up and call for action when they cannot block the screams of our familes out no longer for the sake of your peace! > Diplomacy has its time and place. The time for peace is over, if the republic is to stand for anything other than a rotting carcass of a once great people. I will not allow the agents of the empire to condemn our people to whither away into nothing whilst that Republic preaches peace as the best course of action. These are all [Ushra’Khan members speaking for a change in the regime](https://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=469598), asking Midular to be replaced with Shakor and the parliament with a more “traditional” tribal structure. Let me ask you folks, now, this: Was it worth it? Did you get what you wanted? Else ---
**Author:** ![Saronu\_Yassavi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/saronu_yassavi/32/386208_2.png) [@Saronu\_Yassavi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Saronu_Yassavi)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2019, 4:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/militia-corruption-breaking-the-deafening-silence-on-dirty-deals/196136/163 "2019-10-20T16:15:34Z")
Of course they can, they want to provoke an escalation. Even the most simple among them cannot possibly think that threatening Lord Sarum will make him back down, or have forgotten what happened last time Mekhios was attacked. The only possible conclusion I can draw from their words and their actions is that they are seeking imperial reprisal to rally others to their cause, consequences be damned. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2019, 4:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/militia-corruption-breaking-the-deafening-silence-on-dirty-deals/196136/164 "2019-10-20T16:19:36Z")
> [@Saronu\_Yassavi](#): > > or have forgotten what happened last time Mekhios was attacked. A dead Heir showed up with a magical superweapon? Somehow, I doubt _that_ trick gets repeated. Besides, biochemical agents are all the rage now, haven’t you heard? Any tourist or visiting bureaucrat could be the weapon of choice. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/militia-corruption-breaking-the-deafening-silence-on-dirty-deals/196136.md?page=7) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/militia-corruption-breaking-the-deafening-silence-on-dirty-deals/196136.md?page=9)