# Mining Attacks **URL:** \ **Category:** Mining & Extraction\ **Created:** [September 3, 2024, 8:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mining-attacks/460463 "2024-09-03T20:56:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2024, 8:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mining-attacks/460463/21 "2024-09-05T08:00:45Z")
NightHunter surprisingly is a null sec miner though. He even retaliated and killed one of the Interceptors of the Interceptor fleet that caught him. This is a good example that mining ships can in fact fight back. The problem however is that the attacking fleet was too big to fight back entirely and that NightHunter made the choice to fight instead of flee even against overwhelming odds. This isn’t a problem of mining ships, it’s a problem of either a bad judgment of the situation, or slow reaction. ---
**Author:** ![NightHunter96](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nighthunter96/32/425966_2.png) [@NightHunter96](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/NightHunter96)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2024, 8:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mining-attacks/460463/22 "2024-09-05T20:36:27Z")
surprisingly? also in that instance I was too slow ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2024, 10:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mining-attacks/460463/23 "2024-09-05T22:02:43Z")
> [@NightHunter96](#): > > surprisingly? Your complaint surprised me, because people who mine in null sec generally are aware that non-allied players that come into their system will actively try to kill their mining ship. _“it seems like everyone in system attacks you.”_ is an universal truth about non-allied players in null sec, regardless of your choice of ship. You were saying that as if people go nuts for mining ships. People in null sec don’t go nuts for mining ships, they go nuts for any ship they can catch, especially if they’re a roaming ceptor gang looking for any ratter, miner, hauler or whatever who is slow enough to be caught. They don’t care that you’re mining or what ship you fly, all they care about is that they could catch you. Your question felt so so disconnected from a null sec mentality that I was surprised to find out you were mining in null sec rather than high sec. Not that that’s a problem, if you wish to get a better feeling for hunting hostile ships (including miners) there are plenty of opportunities in the alliance! I always think the best way to get to know how to outplay your enemies or targets is by trying their playstyle. So now I’m flying an Ishtar myself. > [@NightHunter96](#): > > also in that instance I was too slow Yep, it happens. I too lost ships because of that. 😅 Better luck next time! ---
**Author:** ![NightHunter96](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nighthunter96/32/425966_2.png) [@NightHunter96](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/NightHunter96)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2024, 11:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mining-attacks/460463/24 "2024-09-05T23:36:57Z")
you are only looking at the history of my main. also, when I first started, I was always in high sec and had constant problems with catalyst groups. ---
**Author:** ![NightHunter96](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nighthunter96/32/425966_2.png) [@NightHunter96](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/NightHunter96)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2024, 8:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mining-attacks/460463/25 "2024-09-06T20:14:29Z")
I know I am complaining. I just wish there was something more that I can do. drones do nothing to people, and they can just shoot them down. ---
**Author:** ![Echerie\_Saissore](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/echerie_saissore/32/517613_2.png) [@Echerie\_Saissore](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Echerie_Saissore)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2024, 8:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mining-attacks/460463/26 "2024-09-06T20:49:21Z")
You should attempt to utilize ECM drones for help. Sensor damping and target breaking options can be used to help break the lock of initial tackle. Not in every circumstance, but it can work for those moments where an initial pilot might not expect electronic warfare! ---
**Author:** ![Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sasha_nemtsov/32/393707_2.png) [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sasha_Nemtsov)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2024, 9:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mining-attacks/460463/27 "2024-09-06T21:17:36Z")
> [@Echerie\_Saissore](#): > > it can work for those moments where an initial pilot might not expect electronic warfare! To be honest, it wouldn’t bother me. Ganks sometimes fail anyway. I’ve never encountered a miner who would swap either mining/combat drones or modules for the ECM varieties. Greed, mostly. In Highsec, your best bet is either to make yourself as unattractive a target as possible (brick-tanked Skiff, etc), or to make yourself scarce. In Nullsec and Lowsec, you’re toast anyway if you get caught. Some gankers do scan fits. A Passive Targeter with Ship Scanner fitted to a throwaway ship will tell me all I need to know about the survivability of your barge or exhumer. I collect the information over time but miners are particularly fond of (or lazy about) not changing or upgrading fits. In the distant past, I ganked a particular miner twice, and he used exactly the same fit the second time. You can’t patch that level of stupidity. No, NH96, your best friends here are Tank and Absence. Anything else is uncertain, at best. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2024, 6:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mining-attacks/460463/28 "2024-09-07T06:20:51Z")
> [@NightHunter96](#): > > I know I am complaining. I just wish there was something more that I can do. drones do nothing to people, and they can just shoot them down. Drones and a tank do a lot: they are enough to deter smaller predators. Without drones and tank you could and would get killed by a single player in a single frigate. Because of the drones and tank of your mining barge you don’t get bothered by a single interceptor roaming around in space whenever they see you, they need more firepower to take you on. People like to maximize their chances. They attack when they know when they win, which is when the group is large enough to kill your ship before you are able to do much with your drones. That doesn’t mean drones are useless, it just means that the most dangerous situations for you are those where you are outgunned, outnumbered or both. While a well-fit mining barge will deter smaller predators, there are a couple of things you can do against the larger predators: - run before they catch you - bait them with firepower they do not expect Keeping an eye on your surroundings and running away when you see danger is your best bet, but as you say you want to be able to do more. Have you thought about playing as bait? It doesn’t take much: whenever you know a hostile roaming group is looking for kills in the area you can work together with your allies. For example, fit for maximum tank, be in standing fleet, ask around to see if you have enough people to take on the enemy group and let your allies hide in a nearby structure while you continue ‘mining’ in a max tank fit, preferably with some warp disruptors. They arrive, you call your allies and suddenly the predators see much more firepower than they expected, some cannot warp away due to your warp disruptors and die. Or even better bait, let an interdictor and someone with a covert ops cyno cloak right next to you while the rest of the covops ships wait in another system for the enemy to take the bait. The roaming group sees a miner and two names in local that are unaccounted for. They might smell bait, but if they take it they find themselves in the middle of a bubble with a much bigger enemy fleet around them. The best part is if you do this more often people will be able to tell from your killboard that you bait fights. People may even stop trying to attack you because of that when they can see you often bait. Imagine how nice it is to be mining and being left alone because people assume you would kill them if they tried? Mining ships can fight back, you just have to think outside of your barge. ---
**Author:** ![DrysonBennington](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drysonbennington/32/501369_2.png) [@DrysonBennington](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DrysonBennington)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2024, 2:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mining-attacks/460463/29 "2024-09-07T14:57:20Z")
Because the lone mining ship is an easy kill that the gankers don’t have to worry about someone coming along and stopping the gank. The number one thing that gankers hate is the gank being stopped. Stopping the gank takes away the ‘Alpha and Almighty’ strike the gankers believe they have. ---
**Author:** ![Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sasha_nemtsov/32/393707_2.png) [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sasha_Nemtsov)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2024, 3:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mining-attacks/460463/30 "2024-09-07T15:16:14Z")
> [@DrysonBennington](#): > > The number one thing that gankers hate is the gank being stopped. I guess some gankers may ‘hate’ this. It’s really too strong a word for something that’s quite a possibility on any ganker’s radar. Ganks fail for all sorts of reasons; some are down to human error, others are precipitated by human intervention - planned or accidental. It’s all part of the ganker experience. No-one should take up ganking if he can’t handle the odd disappointment. > [@DrysonBennington](#): > > the lone mining ship is an easy kill Well, that’s a bit of a generalisation. It’s only an easy kill if you can bring enough firepower to do the job. In my case, I’ve already had to increase the number of my Omega accounts to allow me to tackle Exhumers (my mate’s Skiff boasts 110k EHP). The cost of those accounts can make it daunting. The other thing is my increasing age. I’m experiencing co-ordination issues which might make what was easy 8 years ago, something of a challenge! Anyone who can’t handle disappointment will struggle to succeed in New Eden - certainly in the long-term. ---
**Author:** ![Krahe\_Ra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/krahe_ra/32/434353_2.png) [@Krahe\_Ra](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Krahe_Ra)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2024, 3:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mining-attacks/460463/31 "2024-09-23T15:38:41Z")
As an active and psychotic enjoyer of mining in low-Sec/Wh I can give you some advise. D-Scan is the most important tool you have in your arsenal. You might get away with afk mining in hi-sec but at the cost of risking a loss to gank. You still need to be aware. Adopt a prey mentality because that is what you are…prey. Medium Higgs Anchor while requiring pre operation set up with a faster ship to bookmark perches will provide you with instant warp off grid if someone gets past your D-Scan These two tools alone have made me 90% uncatchable by solo hunters in J-Space. Blackbird, no problem. Cloaked T3, no problem. It’s only organized groups who can catch up with me. Groups seem to be 2 out of 10 sessions from my experience. Think about hull tanking your barges. Once those shields go, it’s game over. I hull tank my retriever and ran rash burst jammers in J-Space ( don’t use this in hisec) to laughable result as it takes more time to scuttle me. I found shield tanking worthless. ECM drones are the last resort, if all fails. Deploy and pray. Situational awarenesses and getting out of dodge are the only sure fire methods of a successful operation. Think “if I get get caught, I already lost” ---
**Author:** ![Akkar\_Kardashev](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/akkar_kardashev/32/514189_2.png) [@Akkar\_Kardashev](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Akkar_Kardashev)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2024, 3:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mining-attacks/460463/32 "2024-09-23T15:46:39Z")
Would it not make more sense to immediately deploy the ECM drones at the start of the interaction rather than as a hail mary at the end? ---
**Author:** ![Krahe\_Ra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/krahe_ra/32/434353_2.png) [@Krahe\_Ra](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Krahe_Ra)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2024, 4:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mining-attacks/460463/33 "2024-09-23T16:04:12Z")
Yes. Sooner the better. Only after being scrambled though. My point is that it is infact a hail Mary. ECM is not a guarantee. Hence, your main prerogative is to scan-assess-run. Jammers/ECM/tank are only there to prolong the inevitable. ---
**Author:** ![Krahe\_Ra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/krahe_ra/32/434353_2.png) [@Krahe\_Ra](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Krahe_Ra)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2024, 4:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mining-attacks/460463/34 "2024-09-23T16:18:01Z")
As for knowing who is a ganker, several posts above are correct. Assign a red status to knowing ganking corps and alliances like safety. This gives you advances notice before they even start looking your way. Keeping an eye out for multiples of certain ships like the catalyst which would be a obvious tell. It’s much harder in hisec. Where as in low and J-Space everyone is a potential killer. ---
**Author:** ![DrysonBennington](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drysonbennington/32/501369_2.png) [@DrysonBennington](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DrysonBennington)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2024, 4:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mining-attacks/460463/35 "2024-09-23T16:34:33Z")
Scanning should be an automatic thing when the Scan button is pressed. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2024, 2:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mining-attacks/460463/36 "2024-09-27T02:46:18Z")
> [@NightHunter96](#): > > why do people seem to go nuts when a lone mining ship gets in system. it seems like everyone in system attacks them. Nobody suffers a miner. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2024, 6:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mining-attacks/460463/37 "2024-09-29T18:38:03Z")
> [@NightHunter96](#): > > miners can’t defend themselves Oh really? Then explain this. That miner killed the best PvP ship in the game. ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/b/b/8/bb886f7e105561d4c032b26d8b86ac86bf10f80a.jpeg) Nerf Miners, take away their ability to defend themselves. ---
**Author:** ![Spring\_Sky](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/spring_sky/32/447439_2.png) [@Spring\_Sky](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Spring_Sky)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2024, 6:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mining-attacks/460463/38 "2024-10-03T06:35:30Z")
Of course they go nuts, if your mining without a permit your basically stealing and no one likes a thief! Get your mining permits today! ---
**Author:** ![Dulmese\_Severasse](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dulmese_severasse/32/419810_2.png) [@Dulmese\_Severasse](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dulmese_Severasse)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2024, 9:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mining-attacks/460463/39 "2024-10-03T09:53:15Z")
I don’t steal. I refuse to pay the local mafia any extortion money. ---
**Author:** ![Felix\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/felix_frostpacker/32/515826_2.png) [@Felix\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Felix_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2024, 10:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mining-attacks/460463/40 "2024-10-03T10:22:16Z")
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