# Mining wastage is a bad idea **URL:** \ **Category:** Mining & Extraction\ **Created:** [January 31, 2022, 9:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mining-wastage-is-a-bad-idea/347934 "2022-01-31T21:09:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Saint\_Jelena\_Azariel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/saint_jelena_azariel/32/501326_2.png) [@Saint\_Jelena\_Azariel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Saint_Jelena_Azariel)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2022, 12:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mining-wastage-is-a-bad-idea/347934/41 "2022-02-03T00:39:29Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > anecdotal evidence is not evidence. The whole ■■■■■■■ game is anecdotal. ---
**Author:** ![Jordan\_Kerns](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jordan_kerns/32/465999_2.png) [@Jordan\_Kerns](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jordan_Kerns)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2022, 1:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mining-wastage-is-a-bad-idea/347934/42 "2022-02-03T13:36:08Z")
The true wastage is bot mining and AFK mining… eliminate this cancer, and your supply will appear like magic. ---
**Author:** ![Derpina\_Herplington](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/derpina_herplington/32/281272_2.png) [@Derpina\_Herplington](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Derpina_Herplington)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2022, 5:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mining-wastage-is-a-bad-idea/347934/43 "2022-02-04T17:26:08Z")
Mining waste would be a cool idea if it spawned “waste” asteroid clouds that could only be mined with the frigate mining ships. ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2022, 5:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mining-wastage-is-a-bad-idea/347934/44 "2022-02-04T17:43:42Z")
While it was just friendly banter, [the idea of eventually changing waste to be a second-order thing is known to CCP](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production-update/337887/362). ---
**Author:** ![Saudek\_Marren](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/saudek_marren/32/290819_2.png) [@Saudek\_Marren](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Saudek_Marren)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2022, 7:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mining-wastage-is-a-bad-idea/347934/45 "2022-02-06T19:44:31Z")
> When I started playing in _2005_ there wasn’t any of this nonsense. What you mined is what you got. What you refined is what you got. They need to go back to the old systems and stop screwing with the game mechanics. It’s why I LEFT for 2 1/2 years. When I started mining, the best thing to do was fit a BS with 8 mining lasers and go to town… doesn’t mean it was a good thing and wasn’t ‘nonsense’ too. Let’s try not going back to that, k? ---
**Author:** ![Thaddeus\_Desiderius\_Renatus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/thaddeus_desiderius_renatus/32/307842_2.png) [@Thaddeus\_Desiderius\_Renatus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Thaddeus_Desiderius_Renatus)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2022, 12:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mining-wastage-is-a-bad-idea/347934/46 "2022-02-10T00:34:11Z")
Glad you at least stopped whining about mining in rookie help and moved to the forums, you’re still wrong about your complaints by the way. o7 ---
**Author:** ![Hadrian\_Tobran](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hadrian_tobran/32/373681_2.png) [@Hadrian\_Tobran](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hadrian_Tobran)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2022, 5:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mining-wastage-is-a-bad-idea/347934/47 "2022-02-10T17:50:24Z")
Nah. Waste is garbage. If you are advocating for it you’re the one who’s wrong. ---
**Author:** ![PixyWarrior\_Ellecon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pixywarrior_ellecon/32/456340_2.png) [@PixyWarrior\_Ellecon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/PixyWarrior_Ellecon)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2022, 8:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mining-wastage-is-a-bad-idea/347934/48 "2022-02-10T20:05:53Z")
Correct, waste is another way to say garbage. ---
**Author:** ![Elsie\_Duke](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsie_duke/32/354768_2.png) [@Elsie\_Duke](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsie_Duke)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2022, 12:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mining-wastage-is-a-bad-idea/347934/49 "2022-02-11T12:17:07Z")
the undeniable problem with wastage is that CCP takes it’s cut before you get yours. This means that with the phite tiny half moon belt rocks we get these days you often go a full cycle, they take their chunk then you get a couple of m3 as the rock goes bang, which makes a mockery of your m3/s rate. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2022, 1:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mining-wastage-is-a-bad-idea/347934/50 "2022-02-11T13:31:07Z")
Waste is the best thing CCP ever did. It’s a stroke of genius, right in your balls, suck it up. ---
**Author:** ![Ouranous\_Protogenoi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ouranous_protogenoi/32/295862_2.png) [@Ouranous\_Protogenoi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ouranous_Protogenoi)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2022, 2:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mining-wastage-is-a-bad-idea/347934/51 "2022-02-11T14:47:25Z")
There is an option for no waste, T1 or Faction lasers, and T1 drones. If you think it is so important to have every m3 on the field, that is the option. Even with waste on Type A crystals, you are still winning. We have better ships, more ore, and options for adjustments. On top of that the waste mechanic can be adjusted to turn up or down the flow of ore mined per hour in Eve. I see the changes as very good, and all positive. Even the orca works better now in Industry mode with drones. The only players that have a legitimate nerf are the Roqual, and yes that is true. But maybe some good things for them coming, if not it had to be done or mining for everyone wouldn’t matter. Cheers, OP ---
**Author:** ![Ouranous\_Protogenoi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ouranous_protogenoi/32/295862_2.png) [@Ouranous\_Protogenoi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ouranous_Protogenoi)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2022, 2:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mining-wastage-is-a-bad-idea/347934/52 "2022-02-11T14:55:47Z")
There is an option to buy a Hulk, with Faction Lasers ORE, and implants and you will reach those hard to get rocks. Cheers, OP ---
**Author:** ![Hans\_Devin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hans_devin/32/373511_2.png) [@Hans\_Devin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hans_Devin)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2022, 6:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mining-wastage-is-a-bad-idea/347934/54 "2022-02-12T06:56:48Z")
> [@Sten\_Taxi](#): > > they doubled the amount of ore in belts, wastage is less than 50%…equals a net gain of ore. What is the problem? We now reverted back to the old ore belt configurations and yields in Sinq Laison. Funny, the waste stayed in effect. ---
**Author:** ![Lugues\_Slive](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugues_slive/32/454530_2.png) [@Lugues\_Slive](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugues_Slive)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2022, 7:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mining-wastage-is-a-bad-idea/347934/55 "2022-02-12T07:25:14Z")
I havent gone out scanning, but is it old config AND volume or just old config? ---
**Author:** ![SniffleBum\_KissyLips](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/snifflebum_kissylips/32/305015_2.png) [@SniffleBum\_KissyLips](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/SniffleBum_KissyLips)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2022, 9:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mining-wastage-is-a-bad-idea/347934/63 "2022-02-13T09:24:24Z")
> [@Lugues\_Slive](#): > > But if you increase your skills you can increase your _maximum mineable volume_. Except now if you increase your skills you _decrease_ your maximum mineable volume, because equipment requiring little to no skills has no waste, and higher skilled gear has high waste. So unless you’re somehow not mining out your local resources (which doesn’t take much these days with the slow respawn rates), higher skilled equipment = less minerals ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2022, 1:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mining-wastage-is-a-bad-idea/347934/64 "2022-02-13T13:52:15Z")
Looking at bonuses per level for each skill you could ptobably still mine more per vol with t1, or as i been seeing type A is the best route. Asteroids were doubled so there is more to make up for the waste issue. Just cause mining laser is at V doesnt mean you have to use a T2 laser etc. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2022, 1:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mining-wastage-is-a-bad-idea/347934/65 "2022-02-13T13:56:34Z")
> [@SniffleBum\_KissyLips](#): > > higher skilled equipment = less minerals That’s just plainly wrong. Waste does not increase with skills. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2022, 4:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mining-wastage-is-a-bad-idea/347934/66 "2022-02-13T16:50:13Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > That’s just plainly wrong. Waste does not increase with skills. Well it is true that the equipment that requires higher skills creates more waste. T2 mining equipment does create more waste than T1 mining equipment. And I think CCP made a mistake there. While the initial idea (T1 more waste than T2) was bad because it meant newer players were creating more waste, which would cause some groups to prohibit using lower tier equipment on valuable ores and therefore prohibit newer players from mining those ores, the opposite is happening now that people with T2 equipment cannot use it on the more valuable ores because T1 pays more. In my opinion T1 mining equipment should have created non-zero waste equal to efficient T2 equipment (type A crystals). That way all people waste a bit and neither low nor high tier equipment is creating more waste. Unless people _choose_ to be more wasteful with type B/C crystals that is. Mining waste was a controversial but good idea. But if CCP implemented it by giving both T1 and T2 type A tiers the same nonzero waste it would have been better. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2022, 7:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mining-wastage-is-a-bad-idea/347934/67 "2022-02-13T19:53:03Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > Well it is true that the equipment that requires higher skills creates more waste. T2 mining equipment does create more waste than T1 mining equipment. And I think CCP made a mistake there. But this does not mean that higher skills increase the waste. This was plainly wrong. > [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > In my opinion T1 mining equipment should have created non-zero waste equal to efficient T2 equipment (type A crystals). How it works in general in Eve is : higher damage =\> less application So more yield =\> more waste. That’s how to balance and make little ships also interesting. And then you can use specific crystals with even more yield and even more waste. So I think this implementation is fine (besides C-type which should ALSO have higher yield than B-type) ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Kalus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lord_kalus/32/512583_2.png) [@Lord\_Kalus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lord_Kalus)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2022, 1:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mining-wastage-is-a-bad-idea/347934/68 "2022-02-14T01:51:08Z")
> [@Etch\_Masuka](#): > > the belts are back to horseshoes as of downtime today lol. Did this come to pass? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mining-wastage-is-a-bad-idea/347934.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mining-wastage-is-a-bad-idea/347934.md?page=4)