# Mining wastage is a bad idea **URL:** \ **Category:** Mining & Extraction\ **Created:** [January 31, 2022, 9:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mining-wastage-is-a-bad-idea/347934 "2022-01-31T21:09:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![InMediasRes\_Testemonium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/inmediasres_testemonium/32/243339_2.png) [@InMediasRes\_Testemonium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/InMediasRes_Testemonium)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2022, 1:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mining-wastage-is-a-bad-idea/347934/111 "2022-03-19T13:54:03Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > The moment you say you need to add their price to the recurring monthly PLEX cost. Yes because it is NOT only the cost for omega on 10 accounts u need to finance, you ALSO need to finance 10x Orcas+Fit PLUS 10x the skillpoints on ALL the accounts. The cost for running all this bullsht is ridicously high and the profit marging is a JOKE, why the fck would you even consider doing it ?!? Again: it does not make any sense at all. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2022, 1:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mining-wastage-is-a-bad-idea/347934/112 "2022-03-19T13:57:44Z")
> [@InMediasRes\_Testemonium](#): > > Yes because it is NOT only the cost for omega on 10 accounts u need to finance, you ALSO need to finance 10x Orcas+Fit PLUS 10x the skillpoints on ALL the accounts. and STILL YOU were talking about monthly cost : > [@InMediasRes\_Testemonium](#): > > but its 1.25 bil per omega not 1.20 rn So yes, it is ONLY the montly cost you were talking about. > [@InMediasRes\_Testemonium](#): > > The cost for running all this bullsht is **ridicously** high and the profit marging is a JOKE why the fck would you even consider doing it. Because you are dumb !!! Instead of saying “ok this activity is not viable anymore, let’s see what else I can do instead”, you keep crying here about how the changes affected you in the ■■■■■■■ EXPECTED WAY SOLO ORCA MINING IS NOT A GOD GIVEN RIGHT. ---
**Author:** ![InMediasRes\_Testemonium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/inmediasres_testemonium/32/243339_2.png) [@InMediasRes\_Testemonium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/InMediasRes_Testemonium)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2022, 2:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mining-wastage-is-a-bad-idea/347934/113 "2022-03-19T14:03:38Z")
your pulling stuff out ur stupid ass. again: I NEVER came up with that. This is what i said to begin with: > [@InMediasRes\_Testemonium](#): > > So semiAFK solo orca mining is dead? And instead of admitting to that, BECAUSE IT IS INDEED DEAD, some genius came up with > [@PixyWarrior\_Ellecon](#): > > Most people who run alts do skill farms, so the price to plex them is basically nothing. “just do 10x orcas and finance it for free via skill farms.” Whcih as shown above, does not work out and goes against the ENTIRE appeal of semi afk orca mining. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2022, 2:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mining-wastage-is-a-bad-idea/347934/114 "2022-03-19T14:04:43Z")
> [@InMediasRes\_Testemonium](#): > > your pulling stuff out ur stupid ass. Go ■■■■ yourself. > [@InMediasRes\_Testemonium](#): > > “just do 10x orcas and finance it for free via skill farms.” He’s not talking about orcas, but alt. So you show nothing, but your inability to read. Again, no brain, no pain. > [@InMediasRes\_Testemonium](#): > > And instead of admitting to that, BECAUSE IT IS INDEED DEAD, some genius came up with It’s not. You can still solo orca mine. However semi AFK has never been defined so you add words that make your sentence ambiguous, therefore nonsensical ( aka stupidity) ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2022, 2:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mining-wastage-is-a-bad-idea/347934/116 "2022-03-19T14:07:22Z")
> [@InMediasRes\_Testemonium](#): > > Oh really? Yes read again that quote - if you are not mentally disabled. > [@InMediasRes\_Testemonium](#): > > srsly ur embarrsing, gtfo finally lol And you are a complete idiot. That is ANOTHER quote. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2022, 2:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mining-wastage-is-a-bad-idea/347934/118 "2022-03-19T14:10:38Z")
> [@InMediasRes\_Testemonium](#): > > just go die please. I won’t make any effort for a whinning kid - besides slapping your butt and telling your moma you should learn to behave. You, on the other hand, cannot bear with the complexity of reality and need to make over-generalilzation, like “solo orca mining is dead”. The reality, is that people who have alts, have skills farms, so the price to plex them is basically nothing. ---
**Author:** ![InMediasRes\_Testemonium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/inmediasres_testemonium/32/243339_2.png) [@InMediasRes\_Testemonium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/InMediasRes_Testemonium)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2022, 2:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mining-wastage-is-a-bad-idea/347934/119 "2022-03-19T14:11:54Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > I won’t make any effort for a whinning kid - besides slapping your butt and telling your moma you should learn to behave. You know, as a kid i learned to watch who started bullshtting first: > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > adapt or die ? ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2022, 2:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mining-wastage-is-a-bad-idea/347934/120 "2022-03-19T14:13:05Z")
Thank you for proving you are out of arguments. ---
**Author:** ![InMediasRes\_Testemonium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/inmediasres_testemonium/32/243339_2.png) [@InMediasRes\_Testemonium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/InMediasRes_Testemonium)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2022, 2:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mining-wastage-is-a-bad-idea/347934/121 "2022-03-19T14:13:27Z")
You did first. Scroll up and read. ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2022, 2:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mining-wastage-is-a-bad-idea/347934/122 "2022-03-19T14:15:22Z")
> [@InMediasRes\_Testemonium](#): > > instead of adapt or die, just go die please. You have been told by several different people to try playing the game in new ways. You’ve lashed out at me being “an unpleasant person” when you could re-read our entire interaction and see my responses as taking your words earnestly at face value and merely reflecting them upon you and genuinely trying to understand your viewpoint. And now you are literally wishing death upon another player in the community. I don’t know what you expected. To waltz in here and expect a chorus of people to say to you “hell yea bro ur totally right” or “dude I know CCP friggin sucks” or “yeah just like you im quitting too”? Why are you still here? You are the toxic one here, twisting a well-known saying around and wishing actual death to other human beings. Please make good on your earlier promise to quit the game. We don’t need real-life violent types in the community. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2022, 2:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mining-wastage-is-a-bad-idea/347934/124 "2022-03-19T14:22:59Z")
Turns out you really are dumb. ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2022, 2:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mining-wastage-is-a-bad-idea/347934/125 "2022-03-19T14:25:41Z")
My money is on a very angsty young pre-teen, or someone of single-digits age. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2022, 2:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mining-wastage-is-a-bad-idea/347934/126 "2022-03-19T14:30:28Z")
> [@InMediasRes\_Testemonium](#): > > Can you **F-NG READ**? he **DID FIRST** : Nope. Again, you need to learn to read. I was talking about your gameplay specifically, as this is a forum about a video game. You can put insults and caps and bold as you want, won’t change that fact : I told you that your gameplay was dead, and you specifically told ME to die. FYI this comes from Darwin’s theories, where species (that is a set of shared traits among individuals) would die unless they are able to adapt to their ever-evolving environment. The individuals, they always die, that’s the definition of life. > [@Io\_Koval](#): > > My money is on a very angsty young pre-teen, or someone of single-digits age. Yeah, hormones can be hard to deal with. ---
**Author:** ![InMediasRes\_Testemonium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/inmediasres_testemonium/32/243339_2.png) [@InMediasRes\_Testemonium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/InMediasRes_Testemonium)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2022, 2:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mining-wastage-is-a-bad-idea/347934/127 "2022-03-19T14:45:01Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > And you are a complete idiot > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > adapt or die ? > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > for a whinning kid > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > Because you are dumb !!! > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > Yeah, no brain, > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > of a dishonest idiot you are. go cry please lol ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2022, 2:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mining-wastage-is-a-bad-idea/347934/128 "2022-03-19T14:51:12Z")
> [@InMediasRes\_Testemonium](#): > > go cry please lol ROFL you are the one asking why you would do something that you know is stupid then you complain that the answer is “because you’re dumb”. No brain, no pain. I guess it’s nice to have rock-level IQ. ---
**Author:** ![PixyWarrior\_Ellecon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pixywarrior_ellecon/32/456340_2.png) [@PixyWarrior\_Ellecon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/PixyWarrior_Ellecon)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2022, 3:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mining-wastage-is-a-bad-idea/347934/129 "2022-03-19T15:23:30Z")
> [@InMediasRes\_Testemonium](#): > > Multiboxing 10 Orcas at once goes against EVERYTHING appealing about semi afk orca mining It does not. The entire point of the afk orca was because it was so easily scalable. This scalability was provided by the MASSIVELY reduced amount of isk needed to plex accounts because of skill point farming. As i said before, SP farming can cause your omega to cost either nothing, or something. It fluctuates with the market of extractors, LSI and plex. > [@InMediasRes\_Testemonium](#): > > Did you even mined on an orca ever for urself Yes, I use to run 4-6 orcas before the changes. Now I run covetors, hulks and soon mackinaws. > [@InMediasRes\_Testemonium](#): > > different asteroids plus reposition ur orca every now and then plusplus deal with belt rats. You tab over once you hear “asteroid depleted” and reassign then tab out. 2 clicks per 5-10 minutes can basically be considered AFK. Also as for your drone aggro. I would bug report that because I am currently mining right now and I deployed drones when rats showed up. Did NOT lock the rat and the drones automatically engaged the rat when it aggressed me. ---
**Author:** ![InMediasRes\_Testemonium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/inmediasres_testemonium/32/243339_2.png) [@InMediasRes\_Testemonium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/InMediasRes_Testemonium)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2022, 4:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mining-wastage-is-a-bad-idea/347934/130 "2022-03-19T16:15:09Z")
Since you conveniently glanced over this: > [@PixyWarrior\_Ellecon](#): > > Also, the more orcas you add does not increase the demand/stress for afk mining. It’s afk, there is no demand/stress. again: You really think managing 50 drones +10 Orcas on 10 different clients can be done AFK? I’LL bet my \*\*\* u have higher APM needed for 10x orcas multiboxing than u have doing solo T4s in most likely whatever. So the appeal of doing it SEMI afk is gone. And thats the whole point. Multiboxing 10 Orcas with 50 drones at once is everything but “away from keyboard”. If anything u get away with quickly picking a drink out the fridge but even for that u will most likely loose out on some of the 50 drones cycling all at once. ---
**Author:** ![InMediasRes\_Testemonium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/inmediasres_testemonium/32/243339_2.png) [@InMediasRes\_Testemonium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/InMediasRes_Testemonium)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2022, 4:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mining-wastage-is-a-bad-idea/347934/131 "2022-03-19T16:26:24Z")
> [@PixyWarrior\_Ellecon](#): > > As i said before And no, not really “as you said before”: > [@PixyWarrior\_Ellecon](#): > > so the price to plex them is **basically nothing.** lets be correct here, just after i showed u the numbers you said > [@PixyWarrior\_Ellecon](#): > > **Even if you lose** , 300-400mil is a lot better for omega than 1.3-1.5bil. and again again: it is 300-400 mil per account so 3-4 billion for 10 accounts plus at least 25 bil for the orcas and fits themself and then another ridicolous sum for all the Skillpoints on top. So were talking a double digit billion investment upfront, then the skillpoints on top and then making negative isk since ur 10x omega does not finance itself with skillfarms like you initially claimed. > [@PixyWarrior\_Ellecon](#): > > Yes, I use to run 4-6 orcas before the changes. Now I run covetors, hulks and soon mackinaws. Good for you and thanks god you dont run 10 orcas LOL. But now try to get into perspective of people who have a life outside eve and dont multibox a quadrillion accounts for years, people like me who had 1 orca on 1 account which they worked like an entire year for to get it running. You know there are players who only played for a couple thousand hours, not their entire life like you. You know there are people who dont cash couple hundred dollars every month into plex. You know there are normal people. Cant you understand why those people are a bit pissed? and telling them: “just pay2win urself 10 accounts, adapt or die” leads into: [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/e/d/1/ed186f54a28a84ded25d35f3555d5cbef1ddc38d.jpeg "Eve Online - Talking about Orca after patch for Solo miners") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20OzZLJRMDM) _“and thats what im going to do in the future: just dock and never do mining again.”_ y ppl indeed quit the activity or worse the game. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2022, 4:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mining-wastage-is-a-bad-idea/347934/132 "2022-03-19T16:41:13Z")
> [@InMediasRes\_Testemonium](#): > > a quadrillion accounts for years Who talked about that number before ? > [@InMediasRes\_Testemonium](#): > > Cant you understand why those people are a bit pissed? Because they can’t farm a plex in a month ? Sure we do. So what ? Am I complaining that I can’t farm a plex a month while doing an inefficient activity ? No ! Because I’m not dumb ! > [@InMediasRes\_Testemonium](#): > > and telling them: “just pay2win urself 10 accounts, adapt or die” leads into: It leads to nothing. Adapt or die. ---
**Author:** ![PixyWarrior\_Ellecon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pixywarrior_ellecon/32/456340_2.png) [@PixyWarrior\_Ellecon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/PixyWarrior_Ellecon)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2022, 6:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mining-wastage-is-a-bad-idea/347934/133 "2022-03-19T18:14:41Z")
> [@InMediasRes\_Testemonium](#): > > lets be correct here, just after i showed u the numbers you said That is because it can vary greatly. I have both made a profit and lost 300-400mil on SP farms. Regardless of that fact, it reduces the cost for a person to plex an account. 300-400mil is a lot better than 1.2-1.3b or whatever 500 plex cost. At this moment in the game SP farming is not something you can do solely to plex an account. Has it been before? Yes. Will it be again? Depends on the market. > [@InMediasRes\_Testemonium](#): > > Multiboxing 10 Orcas with 50 drones at once is everything but “away from keyboard”. > If anything u get away with quickly picking a drink out the fridge but even for that u will most likely loose out on some of the 50 drones cycling all at once. It really is not that difficult, especially with the increased rock volume size. Now if you pick a belt that is constantly mined and the rocks have been depleted then yes, you will need more APM, but if you are smart about it and know what you are doing, then APM is extremely low. > [@InMediasRes\_Testemonium](#): > > But now try to get into perspective of people who have a life outside eve I do have a life out side of eve 😆 I am 24yrs old and have been playing since 2016. Just under half my life. Have I dedicated a lot of time to the game? Yeah, but I don’t no-life this game. I do plenty of other things such as work full time, play sports and workout. Don’t assume that I spend every waking moment playing eve. > [@InMediasRes\_Testemonium](#): > > You know there are normal people. Funny since you do not know a single thing about me. > [@InMediasRes\_Testemonium](#): > > adapt or die Eve is an ever changing game. If you don’t change with it you will “die”. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mining-wastage-is-a-bad-idea/347934.md?page=5) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mining-wastage-is-a-bad-idea/347934.md?page=7)