# Missiles or Rockets? **URL:** \ **Category:** PvP Ships & Modules\ **Created:** [May 7, 2020, 8:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/missiles-or-rockets/239211 "2020-05-07T20:39:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Aphrodite\_Sexy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aphrodite_sexy/32/420261_2.png) [@Aphrodite\_Sexy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aphrodite_Sexy)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2020, 1:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/missiles-or-rockets/239211/22 "2020-05-09T01:06:53Z")
> [@Cypr3ss\_Deteis](#): > > You’ve missed the point entirely, guess you’re not as clever as you think. No where did I say it would oneshot frigates, and no where did I mention using bombs. The major benefit of the stealth bomber for what the OP wants to do is the 0 delay in locking after decloak, after that, you’d fit it with rockets/tank and use it the same way you would with an exploration frig hunting other exploration frigs. Ok. The OP meant more like deception. Like not fearing an exploration frigate and such, not “0 delay in lock time”. A stealth bomber with high tank is still not very tanky. Torpedoes and torpedoes only means low dps because of terrible tracking and delayed damage. Stealth bombers are meant to kill battleships, not other frigates. > [@Cypr3ss\_Deteis](#): > > Regards, > Cypr3ss. ---
**Author:** ![Cypr3ss\_Deteis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cypr3ss_deteis/32/392947_2.png) [@Cypr3ss\_Deteis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cypr3ss_Deteis)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2020, 1:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/missiles-or-rockets/239211/23 "2020-05-09T01:43:13Z")
> [@Aphrodite\_Sexy](#): > > The OP meant more like deception. Yes. > [@Aphrodite\_Sexy](#): > > Like not fearing an exploration frigate and such, not “0 delay in lock time”. No. Like in “they won’t run away when they see me”, which if you can use a cloak is no longer a concern as they can’t see you (until they can), so _then_ the concern is them running away _when they see you_ cause you’re no longer a “no threat exploration frig” you’re a “scary cloaky ship” (see how that works?), which the 0 delay in lock time resolves. I really didn’t think it was that complicated, but obviously you’re confused… maybe spend more time playing/learning/understanding and less time trying to be funny… cause you’re just failing all over the place. > [@Aphrodite\_Sexy](#): > > Torpedoes and torpedoes only means low dps because of terrible tracking and delayed damage. Since when did rockets = torpedoes? Seriously if you can’t even put in the required effort to read **what is written** , why bother? So at this point I’m done responding to your stupid, it’s just too much and is derailing the thread. Cypr3ss. ---
**Author:** ![Aphrodite\_Sexy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aphrodite_sexy/32/420261_2.png) [@Aphrodite\_Sexy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aphrodite_Sexy)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2020, 2:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/missiles-or-rockets/239211/24 "2020-05-09T02:05:51Z")
So you forego all the torpedo bonuses for the stealth bomber, and fit rockets on it? Just for 6 seconds of lock time? The other parts are correct, but someone who is experienced would be able to kill the stealth bomber before the rockets reach him, and someone who isn’t is not going to warp away in 6 seconds upon seeing the OP decloak in his cloaky ship. Here, a more tanky (even expedition is more tanky than a stealth bomber) frigate would at least have more time to warp away (because the stealth bomber would nearly be alpha-ed off while anything with more tank would hold for a while) when faced by a pvp experienced explorer. This frigate would also be able to kill a non-pvp-experienced explorer as they would not be able to warp away in 6 (or 8 with the locktime added) seconds. GF > [@Cypr3ss\_Deteis](#): > > Cypr3ss. Hey, you missed the regards! ---
**Author:** ![Wyk\_Bathana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wyk_bathana/32/374287_2.png) [@Wyk\_Bathana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wyk_Bathana)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2020, 9:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/missiles-or-rockets/239211/25 "2020-05-09T09:33:27Z")
> [@Aphrodite\_Sexy](#): > > So you forego all the torpedo bonuses for the stealth bomber, and fit rockets on it? Just for 6 seconds of lock time? > > The other parts are correct, but someone who is experienced would be able to kill the stealth bomber before the rockets reach him, and someone who isn’t is not going to warp away in 6 seconds upon seeing the OP decloak in his cloaky ship. the aim of OP is to tackle and kill OTHER explo ships, not ships able to shoot back. That’s why he plans to use his pvp-heron, thinking they won’t warp out when he appears on dscan/overview. But cypress is right, using a cloaky bomber (with weapons to shoot explo frigs, so rockets, not trops) with zero delay for decloak-lock is also a perfect option. We are not talking about fighting in 1v1 against a pvp fitted astero. In that case, you can fly a pvp-heron or a bomber, you are dead yes. ---
**Author:** ![Aphrodite\_Sexy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aphrodite_sexy/32/420261_2.png) [@Aphrodite\_Sexy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aphrodite_Sexy)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2020, 9:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/missiles-or-rockets/239211/26 "2020-05-09T09:55:26Z")
Explo frigs also have guns to defend themselves. They would not have high dps but will be enough to kill a stealth bomber. ---
**Author:** ![Wyk\_Bathana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wyk_bathana/32/374287_2.png) [@Wyk\_Bathana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wyk_Bathana)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2020, 11:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/missiles-or-rockets/239211/27 "2020-05-09T11:27:11Z")
most of explo ships (t1 or t2 cov ops) won’t have guns, no. Explo ships will have analyzers, probe scanners, and modules to align and warp out or warp core stab or tank, but most often no weapon. Just type “anathema” or “buzzard” on zkillboard and look at the fits lol ---
**Author:** ![Aphrodite\_Sexy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aphrodite_sexy/32/420261_2.png) [@Aphrodite\_Sexy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aphrodite_Sexy)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2020, 12:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/missiles-or-rockets/239211/28 "2020-05-09T12:18:04Z")
Oh wow! Indeed! My explo ships have guns but perhaps many people do not! Hummm… You’re right. ---
**Author:** ![Dravick\_Afterthought](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dravick_afterthought/32/282017_2.png) [@Dravick\_Afterthought](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dravick_Afterthought)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2020, 1:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/missiles-or-rockets/239211/29 "2020-05-09T13:44:34Z")
They may well have drones though. ---
**Author:** ![Sundeen\_Hilanen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sundeen_hilanen/32/203785_2.png) [@Sundeen\_Hilanen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sundeen_Hilanen)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2020, 6:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/missiles-or-rockets/239211/30 "2020-05-09T18:29:02Z")
2020.05.09 17:47:46 Victim: TARS LO Corp: LLouDog L Corporation Alliance: Unknown Faction: Unknown Destroyed: Imicus System: J134654 Security: -1.0 Damage Taken: 944 Involved parties: Name: Sundeen Hilanen (laid the final blow) Security: 0.10 Corp: People of the Saiya Alliance: Silent Company Faction: None Ship: Heron Weapon: Mjolnir Javelin Rocket Damage Done: 944 Destroyed items: Small Emission Scope Sharpener II Small Low Friction Nozzle Joints I Core Scanner Probe I, Qty: 8 5MN Quad LiF Restrained Microwarpdrive Inertial Stabilizers II Small Low Friction Nozzle Joints I Core Probe Launcher I Dropped items: Inertial Stabilizers II Scan Rangefinding Array I Scan Rangefinding Array I Relic Analyzer I Inertial Stabilizers II My First Kill!!! The fit worked. For the record, the point of this was to catch explorer thinking I was not a threat… it worked! I had the WH scanned down leaving one relic sight (after looting the can with 28 mil ). Went to a neighbour WH, scanned it down. Checking on the first WH saw probes in the air. Simply went to my safe spot and launched my Core 1 probes although the system was already scanned down. “Nothing to fear here, don’t even have sister probes”. After a couple minutes, warped to the relic sight, the target still was not there. Approached a can and he warped in. Kept going for the can and orbited for a minute until the target went to another can. As soon as he started hacking… b-lined it for him guns blazing!!! Most fun I have had! What a rush!!! ---
**Author:** ![Kaivarian\_Coste](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kaivarian_coste/32/413759_2.png) [@Kaivarian\_Coste](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kaivarian_Coste)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2020, 9:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/missiles-or-rockets/239211/31 "2020-05-09T21:13:52Z")
^ nice work! ---
**Author:** ![you\_are\_evil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/you_are_evil/32/246754_2.png) [@you\_are\_evil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/you_are_evil)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2020, 1:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/missiles-or-rockets/239211/32 "2020-05-11T13:54:55Z")
Seriously, something doesn’t add up. The beginner would run away as soon as he saw any ship, the advanced would not fly an explorer only ship. [https://evewho.com/character/2116825225](https://evewho.com/character/2116825225) Caracter is only a few days old. I don’t think he’d just stay there when he saw one. But ok. Is still entertaining ---
**Author:** ![Argive\_Lonestar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/argive_lonestar/32/376366_2.png) [@Argive\_Lonestar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Argive_Lonestar)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2020, 9:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/missiles-or-rockets/239211/33 "2020-05-11T21:18:07Z")
Congrats on your first kill OP! As a reference, this guy does solo PVP in a magnate - T1 amarr exploration ship. Lots of useful tips to pick up, might be useful. https://www.youtube.com/embed/00cmerQCnm4?feature=oembed&wmode=opaque&list=PLV4GKa66vipnQOAGBr0UcBV-QJlmuS-xo ---
**Author:** ![Yalezorn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yalezorn/32/195555_2.png) [@Yalezorn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yalezorn)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2020, 10:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/missiles-or-rockets/239211/34 "2020-05-11T22:20:05Z")
Literally the same thing, fool. ---
**Author:** ![Sundeen\_Hilanen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sundeen_hilanen/32/203785_2.png) [@Sundeen\_Hilanen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sundeen_Hilanen)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2020, 1:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/missiles-or-rockets/239211/35 "2020-05-12T01:18:13Z")
Thanks for posting the video! Gives me a much better idea as to what I am supposed to be doing rather then just run at him blasting rockets! LOL ---
**Author:** ![Argive\_Lonestar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/argive_lonestar/32/376366_2.png) [@Argive\_Lonestar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Argive_Lonestar)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2020, 2:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/missiles-or-rockets/239211/36 "2020-05-12T02:51:54Z")
Well maybe not… I think runnin at him and blasting rockets is what you gotta do though with rockets 😛 Bear in mind a lot of explorers are at least 2x stabiliser fit. When the explores realise you are attacking them they will try to warp off and the two stabs would counter a single scram (unless faction). By “runnin at em” you will hopefully bump them out of alignment meaning their warp off will take longer if you cant pin them down with your scram/distruptor. Some people are just slow off the bat due to being semi afk, not having experience so by the time they realise they are under attack they might be in half armour in which case its going to be too late. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2020, 2:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/missiles-or-rockets/239211/37 "2020-08-10T02:52:03Z")
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