# Mizhir and Melisma Shipping/Catfight Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Intergalactic Summit\ **Created:** [June 25, 2019, 1:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mizhir-and-melisma-shipping-catfight-thread/169669 "2019-06-25T13:38:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Lithara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lithara/32/268412_2.png) [@Lithara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lithara)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2019, 3:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mizhir-and-melisma-shipping-catfight-thread/169669/201 "2019-07-09T15:21:20Z")
> [@Melisma\_Ramijozana](#): > > I’ll simply point out that within the past 24 hours, someone posted in this very thread with the correct interpretation of events, but the remark has been mostly overlooked. > [@Charles\_Cambridge\_Schmidt](#): > > I’m assuming it was a corporate ‘hey can you not mudwrestle, you’re going to embarrass us’ thing. I am pretty sure it was this one, actually. I just don’t know why you’re going along with it, with your BS polls. > [@Melisma\_Ramijozana](#): > > You’re still hot, though. ❤ > [@Samira\_Kernher](#): > > Of course, it’s really no wonder a blooder such as yourself is so upset by this decision. I’m upset because I was going to referee and it was going to be so fun. Until it all fell apart. And it fell apart because of the Amarr’s _deceit_ and inability to just admit they don’t want the two to wrestle. ---
**Author:** ![Samira\_Kernher](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/samira_kernher/32/244840_2.png) [@Samira\_Kernher](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Samira_Kernher)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2019, 3:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mizhir-and-melisma-shipping-catfight-thread/169669/202 "2019-07-09T15:27:45Z")
> [@Lithara](#): > > And it fell apart because of the Amarr’s _deceit_ and inability to just admit they don’t want the two to wrestle. Well, yes. It should have been admitted straight up. ---
**Author:** ![Makoto\_Priano](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/makoto_priano/32/383919_2.png) [@Makoto\_Priano](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Makoto_Priano)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2019, 3:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mizhir-and-melisma-shipping-catfight-thread/169669/203 "2019-07-09T15:44:34Z")
🍿 ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2019, 4:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mizhir-and-melisma-shipping-catfight-thread/169669/204 "2019-07-09T16:45:19Z")
> [@Samira\_Kernher](#): > > Despite the disagreement of those of us who considered it quite an undignified spectacle for someone of his and Sir Utari’s positions to be participating in. So? I mean, not for nothing, Sami, but what business of yours is it what they choose to do? They’re adults, they can make their own decisions. Participating in an athletic competition is no more ‘undignified’ than participating in _killing people_ out in space by floating around naked or nearly-naked in a vat of viscous goo with tubes stuck up your crotch. Don’t see any of you railing against Amarr being pilots. ---
**Author:** ![Samira\_Kernher](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/samira_kernher/32/244840_2.png) [@Samira\_Kernher](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Samira_Kernher)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2019, 5:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mizhir-and-melisma-shipping-catfight-thread/169669/205 "2019-07-09T17:04:27Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > They’re adults, they can make their own decisions. They’re upper class and have responsibilities because of that. If they want to act like commoners, then they can hand their titles to someone else. They’re also members of a corporation and their actions reflect on that corporation. Besides, why were they trying to butt in and take the spotlight away from who this thread was actually about in the first place? Not that it was very appropriate for those two either. > [@Arrendis](#): > > Participating in an athletic competition is no more ‘undignified’ than… The constant attempts by people to rebrand this into something other than what _literally everyone knows it is_, in attempt to throw off detractors, is getting on my nerves. It is not an innocent, wholesome event and it wasn’t meant to be when this whole thing was arranged. Do any ■■■■■■■ Galnet search on it and you’ll get a million searches for what people are actually expecting. Hell, the title of this thread was “Shipping/Catfight”. It’s obvious what this whole thing was meant to be and trying to claim otherwise is very disingenuous. > [@Arrendis](#): > > Don’t see any of you railing against Amarr being pilots. Apparently you don’t actually know me very well. ---
**Author:** ![Lithara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lithara/32/268412_2.png) [@Lithara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lithara)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2019, 5:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mizhir-and-melisma-shipping-catfight-thread/169669/206 "2019-07-09T17:13:40Z")
> [@Samira\_Kernher](#): > > They’re also members of a corporation and their actions reflect on that corporation. I am not sure Sister Bliss gives even a single damn if one of her pilots mud wrestles. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2019, 5:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mizhir-and-melisma-shipping-catfight-thread/169669/207 "2019-07-09T17:17:24Z")
> [@Samira\_Kernher](#): > > They’re upper class and have responsibilities because of that. […] Besides, why were they trying to butt in and take the spotlight Yes, and Utari was fulfilling his responsibilities, as he was “volunteered” for the match by his liege after suggesting an undercard as the sporting event developed and details were worked out. That whiole ‘undercard’ thing is pretty standard, and it helps sell tickets. > [@Samira\_Kernher](#): > > The constant attempts by people to rebrand this into something other than what _literally everyone knows it is_ , Is _your_ side of the fence. While the intial interaction (not the match) was flirtatious on _one side_, the match was first suggested as a means of resolving differences, and developed into a sporting event on the strength of the betting. Trying to make this—especially the Constantin/Utari match—out to be some kind of thinly-veiled orgy is pretty low. ---
**Author:** ![Samira\_Kernher](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/samira_kernher/32/244840_2.png) [@Samira\_Kernher](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Samira_Kernher)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2019, 5:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mizhir-and-melisma-shipping-catfight-thread/169669/208 "2019-07-09T17:24:29Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > Yes, and Utari was fulfilling his responsibilities, as he was “volunteered” for the match by his liege… Which puts the fault on his liege lord. > [@Arrendis](#): > > … the match was first suggested as a means of resolving differences… There are many actually serious sporting competitions that could have been brought up. Mud wrestling suggestions are done for the fetish potential. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2019, 5:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mizhir-and-melisma-shipping-catfight-thread/169669/209 "2019-07-09T17:35:52Z")
> [@Samira\_Kernher](#): > > There are many actually serious sporting competitions that could have been brought up. Mud wrestling suggestions are done for the fetish potential. I’m pretty sure it was brought up as a _joke_, by Valerie. Just because you don’t like what _kind_ of sporting competition they settled on, that doesn’t automatically mean it’s all about sex. It just means that’s where your mind went. > [@Samira\_Kernher](#): > > Which puts the fault on his liege lord. And? The liege lord seemed fine with that, and he hasn’t made any statements claiming error. So if he’s ok taking responsibility for that, let him. Again: he’s an adult. He can make his own decisions without you acting like you have any authority to scold him or otherwise act like his mom. Also… > [@Samira\_Kernher](#): > > Apparently you don’t actually know me very well. Just to point this out, Sami, you’ve _defended_ the idea of Amarr being combat pilots. Of all the issues you’ve gotten mad about, Amarr capsuleers fighting in the warzone (or anywhere else) has never been one of them. You’ve gotten mad about the things they’ve fought _for_, like in Kahah et al, but you’ve not expressed _any_ kind of ‘people with titles like _Sir_ Utari shouldn’t be combat pilots’ sentiment. And really, it seems kinda weird that you’d now claim to be against people whose title is _literally_ ‘ennobled combat retainer’ being combatants. ---
**Author:** ![Lithara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lithara/32/268412_2.png) [@Lithara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lithara)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2019, 5:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mizhir-and-melisma-shipping-catfight-thread/169669/210 "2019-07-09T17:38:30Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > He can make his own decisions without you acting like you have any authority to scold him or otherwise act like his mom. I’ve noticed a trend of Amarrian women acting like everyone’s mothers. It’s getting annoying and old. “I don’t like it, so you cannot do it” is not acceptable. ---
**Author:** ![Samira\_Kernher](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/samira_kernher/32/244840_2.png) [@Samira\_Kernher](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Samira_Kernher)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2019, 5:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mizhir-and-melisma-shipping-catfight-thread/169669/211 "2019-07-09T17:51:12Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > Just because you don’t like what _kind_ of sporting competition they settled on, that doesn’t automatically mean it’s all about sex. It just means that’s where your mind went. ■■■■ your dishonesty. > [@Arrendis](#): > > Just to point this out, Sami, you’ve _defended_ the idea of Amarr being combat pilots. Of all the issues you’ve gotten mad about, Amarr capsuleers fighting in the warzone (or anywhere else) has never been one of them. You’ve gotten mad about the things they’ve fought _for_ , like in Kahah et al, but you’ve not expressed _any_ kind of ‘people with titles like _Sir_ Utari shouldn’t be combat pilots’ sentiment. Again… apparently you don’t actually know me very well, or listen to what I say. Because my stance against cloning and capsuleers has been very clear. In fact… I do believe the first time we ever even _talked_ was when I was shouting down your beloved Max Singularity for his pro-capsuleer/pro-cloning declarations. But whatever, I’ll leave the thread in peace now. I was only here to dispel ■■■■■■■■ accusations anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2019, 6:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mizhir-and-melisma-shipping-catfight-thread/169669/212 "2019-07-09T18:01:54Z")
I’m not being dishonest, Samira. And you know it. Nor is raging against the existence of _independent_ capsuleers the same as saying that the Amarr shouldn’t have them. Even discounting clearly non-‘independent’ groups like PIE, Navy capsuleers exist. They’re part of the strictly-controlled hierarchy. They still float around near starkers in goopy slime, killing people. ---
**Author:** ![Valerie\_Valate](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/valerie_valate/32/386231_2.png) [@Valerie\_Valate](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Valerie_Valate)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2019, 7:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mizhir-and-melisma-shipping-catfight-thread/169669/213 "2019-07-09T19:10:25Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > I’m pretty sure it was brought up as a _joke_ , by Valerie. I used “honour and decorum” when mentioning the idea of settling their differences by mud-wrestling. Was that not obvious that that was intended humorously ? ---
**Author:** ![Cassandra\_Frazier](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cassandra_frazier/32/414927_2.png) [@Cassandra\_Frazier](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cassandra_Frazier)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2019, 7:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mizhir-and-melisma-shipping-catfight-thread/169669/214 "2019-07-09T19:24:40Z")
This should be an amusing read. ---
**Author:** ![Melisma\_Ramijozana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/melisma_ramijozana/32/168474_2.png) [@Melisma\_Ramijozana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Melisma_Ramijozana)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2019, 11:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mizhir-and-melisma-shipping-catfight-thread/169669/215 "2019-07-09T23:08:35Z")
It’ll be a fun read through and through. It was maybe a little less fun to live. —— I’ve said more than enough on most of the topics here. But I do want to point out _ONCE AGAIN_ that flirting with someone should not automatically suggest that I’m a whore in every other way. I know where the ■■■■■■■ line is, okay? When the talk about a mud-wrestling competition became serious, and people started throwing around billions, I put my pro face on. And I think that’s pretty obvious in this thread. (Trust me, if I hadn’t done that, Utari’s liege would have told me.) So the fact that people keep making this comment like “It’s a fetish!” is extremely insulting in a very personal way. Like, really? Did you think I was gonna make out with Mizhir in the mud or something? Even after I told her that it wouldn’t be like that, and even after I pointed out that I’m not into exhibitionism? By the way, the point that mud wrestling is done for the fetish aspect ignores the fact that different people have different turn-ons. Know what else gets fetishized? Teachers. The Interbus. Baby food. Seriously, go look all of that up. There’s porn for it. So gtfo of here with your comments on my sexuality and professionalism, and stop trying to graft your personal ideas of “is this pr0n?” onto the rest of us. This event is cancelled. Congrats, you done great. Now go find a child’s birthday party to ruin. ---
**Author:** ![Cassandra\_Frazier](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cassandra_frazier/32/414927_2.png) [@Cassandra\_Frazier](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cassandra_Frazier)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2019, 11:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mizhir-and-melisma-shipping-catfight-thread/169669/216 "2019-07-09T23:51:41Z")
> [@Melisma\_Ramijozana](#): > > The Interbus People make fetishes out of POCOs? xD ---
**Author:** ![Lasairiona\_Raske](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lasairiona_raske/32/467893_2.png) [@Lasairiona\_Raske](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lasairiona_Raske)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 8:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mizhir-and-melisma-shipping-catfight-thread/169669/217 "2019-07-10T08:06:46Z")
Wow. Not enough wine in the cluster for this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 8:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mizhir-and-melisma-shipping-catfight-thread/169669/218 "2019-07-10T08:37:36Z")
I think you mean cheese. \>.\> ---
**Author:** ![Valerie\_Valate](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/valerie_valate/32/386231_2.png) [@Valerie\_Valate](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Valerie_Valate)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 10:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mizhir-and-melisma-shipping-catfight-thread/169669/219 "2019-07-10T10:54:02Z")
**IGS Narrator :** And so it was, that the seeds of division inadvertently sown by Valerie, blossomed into a mighty hedge, driving a barrier between people who once considered each other friends. **IGS Narrator :** But did she learn anything from this episode ? The answer, is no. Until next time. _outro music plays._ ---
**Author:** ![Saava\_Valtovist](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/saava_valtovist/32/279695_2.png) [@Saava\_Valtovist](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Saava_Valtovist)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 11:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mizhir-and-melisma-shipping-catfight-thread/169669/220 "2019-07-10T11:58:37Z")
I hear you. It seems to me a position between “pure contest of skill” and “fetish-bait” is closer to reasonable, but that this isn’t even the reason the fight was canceled, so the argument is _tedious_ to watch. > [@Melisma\_Ramijozana](#): > > Teachers. The Interbus. Baby food. Seriously, go look all of that up. There’s porn for it. …I’ll just take your word on this. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mizhir-and-melisma-shipping-catfight-thread/169669.md?page=10) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mizhir-and-melisma-shipping-catfight-thread/169669.md?page=12)