# Moderation of the Forums **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [May 27, 2020, 6:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/moderation-of-the-forums/244360 "2020-05-27T06:52:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 53
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2020, 3:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/moderation-of-the-forums/244360/1340 "2020-08-31T15:45:59Z")
You can, but not to insult or make fun of the person it’s towards ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2020, 3:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/moderation-of-the-forums/244360/1341 "2020-08-31T15:50:20Z")
> [@Foggy\_Bernstein](#): > > What is it with the people in here that see the words “treat everyone equally” as “we demand harsher moderation”? > > It’s like trying to explain color to a blind man with some of you people. An incredibly contrary and stupid blind man. Yeah, and don’t forget stubborn too. There’s also a few in here who seem to think it means ‘one type of viewpoint will be protected while silencing all opposing viewpoints’. Hell they even had the gall to state that asking for the rules to be enforced equally is an ‘attempt to influence game development’. There was a lot of other paranoid tin foil assumptions posted with it, basically just more fan fiction… ---
**Author:** ![Foggy\_Bernstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/foggy_bernstein/32/407887_2.png) [@Foggy\_Bernstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Foggy_Bernstein)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2020, 4:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/moderation-of-the-forums/244360/1342 "2020-08-31T16:43:11Z")
> [@Rich\_Darine](#): > > Why do we want harsher moderation? Who’s we? As far as I can tell, no one wants harsher moderation. Or what passes for moderation on this forum. ---
**Author:** ![Rich\_Darine](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rich_darine/32/438327_2.png) [@Rich\_Darine](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rich_Darine)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2020, 4:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/moderation-of-the-forums/244360/1343 "2020-08-31T16:52:26Z")
🤷‍♂️ ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2020, 5:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/moderation-of-the-forums/244360/1344 "2020-08-31T17:40:30Z")
So what the hell do you and DMC want then? You two are the ones really 🤣 about how moderation is done. Do you want CCP doing it again, or do you want no moderation at all? ---
**Author:** ![Mkikaden\_Tiragen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mkikaden_tiragen/32/243913_2.png) [@Mkikaden\_Tiragen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mkikaden_Tiragen)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2020, 5:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/moderation-of-the-forums/244360/1346 "2020-08-31T17:50:05Z")
Stricter moderation =/= consistent moderation. There are absolutely cases of inconsistency in moderation - whether by intent or differing internal standards or lack of awareness, I couldn’t say, but it absolutely happens in the forums, and I believe that is what Foggy and DMC are referring to in their posts. ---
**Author:** ![Archer\_en\_Tilavine](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/archer_en_tilavine/32/461718_2.png) [@Archer\_en\_Tilavine](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Archer_en_Tilavine)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2020, 5:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/moderation-of-the-forums/244360/1347 "2020-08-31T17:54:18Z")
On several occasions I’ve participated in threads with mass cleanups where edge cases remained, several of these edge cases that remained came from users whose posts were removed in those mass cleanups. Given that those same users had most of their posts wiped out, but not entirely suppressed, and that the remaining posts weren’t really all that bad, I can’t say I’ve ever had a problem with the edge cases or suspect bias is employed: the heavy offenders maintained edge cases even though most other points were eliminated (so suppression of speech/opposing viewpoints), and in my case the mass cleanups were done by ISDs who DON’T have favorable bias toward myself that left some of my own edge cases intact. The worst edge cases I’ve seen were those that identified stupidity/fallacious arguments or employed satire/humor… which is to say they’re worth keeping. But of course, if one “okay let’s keep that” jibe remains, so, too, must the corresponding defense - which is usually fine because, again, bickering USUALLY does not derail threads and is itself usually relevant to the thread, especially when the opponents themselves ‘embody the essence’ of the topic at hand or are the primary participants in the thread. Let’s consider this thread, for example: its participants have grouped up into teams that essentially embody the team’s position. Direct and indirect personal attacks are almost synonymous with attacks on the actual points of discussion here since we’re discussing character traits and, lo and behold, those character traits are found among the characters that decided to voluntarily cluster together. In other threads, personal attacks come into play almost exclusively when one party uses poor argumentation or demonstrates gross ignorance/inexperience with which to support their arguments… if anything, this should serve as motivation for the ‘’‘victim’‘’ of the attack to step up the objective points and reasoning being argued. Such attacks are usually only momentary, anyway, as they are only part of or short detours from the main discussion. Per my recommendation earlier, the most excessively-toxic-but-still-contributory-hybrid posters should probably just get a warning from mods saying cautioning them that while they individual posts are fine, cumulatively they are excessively toxic and need to alter their mannerisms to be (soft)banned from the forums. Attacks being made for the sake of being made that don’t contribute to the conversation in any way at all whatsoever (constructive criticism accompanying attack, satire of discussion taking place, etc) should be moderated more heavily as they’re just distracting. Having said that, I don’t think there needs to be a blanket increase in moderation of attacks, just increased moderation on specific types of attacks and other undesirable behaviors. > [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](#): > > So what the hell do you and DMC want then? You two are the ones really 🤣 about how moderation is done. Do you want CCP doing it again, or do you want no moderation at all? 👆 UNCONSTRUCTIVE PERSONAL ATTACK BY GEO, PLEASE MODERATE 🔪🧸😢 ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/7/472ad63f1343afc9e349c7bc7bc51b6e75064f54.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2020, 6:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/moderation-of-the-forums/244360/1350 "2020-08-31T18:58:39Z")
> [@Vals\_Loeder](#): > > The fact you haven’t been kicked in the groin That’s a bit harsh, you’re not Salvos FFS. I may not particularly like DMC but suggesting physical violence, jokingly or not, is taking it too far. Keep the violence ingame where it belongs. If it’s in banter amongst friends that’s fine IMHO, aiming it outside that group not so much. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2020, 7:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/moderation-of-the-forums/244360/1352 "2020-08-31T19:43:05Z")
> [@Vals\_Loeder](#): > > tsk… you assume he has balls that can be kicked. As far as his behaviour has been here, he definitely lacks them because he is the ultimate cry-baby in these forums. I don’t know about that, man. Quite frankly, he scares the ■■■■ out of me… ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2020, 8:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/moderation-of-the-forums/244360/1353 "2020-08-31T20:11:52Z")
Such a perfect show of hostility again from the Vals Loeder. And blocked. 👌 Dont even care if that person will be banned or not, not my problem anymore. Dont have to read that. 😁 ---
**Author:** ![Archer\_en\_Tilavine](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/archer_en_tilavine/32/461718_2.png) [@Archer\_en\_Tilavine](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Archer_en_Tilavine)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2020, 9:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/moderation-of-the-forums/244360/1354 "2020-08-31T21:12:27Z")
> [@Vals\_Loeder](#): > > The fact you haven’t been kicked in the groin and from these forums yet is the ultimate proof the mods here are indeed very selective at using the banhammer. DMC is neither immune to post removal (I’ve observed several of his posts removed over the past few months) or the banhammer (pretty sure his recent 7 day absence after that one post was not coincidence, but I could be wrong). It suffices to say he does not serve as an example of your inconsistent moderation claim. Pick a different case study to support your argument. Also: there’s no reason to be so hostile. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2020, 9:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/moderation-of-the-forums/244360/1355 "2020-08-31T21:13:44Z")
Ill take that bet ---
**Author:** ![Xuxe\_Xu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuxe_xu/32/464660_2.png) [@Xuxe\_Xu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuxe_Xu)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2020, 10:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/moderation-of-the-forums/244360/1356 "2020-08-31T22:32:15Z")
> [@Jayce\_Fitzpatrick](#): > > People like ❌ ❌ ❌who spammed the forum with multiple alts… [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/9/a/9a14cb61fe628fd0b99ca4b7b9be34141f9d9658.gif "source: imgur.com")](https://imgur.com/8ypXbbH) ### Do not speak it's name! ### ---
**Author:** ![Xuxe\_Xu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuxe_xu/32/464660_2.png) [@Xuxe\_Xu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuxe_Xu)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2020, 7:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/moderation-of-the-forums/244360/1359 "2020-09-01T07:08:56Z")
[![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/1/e/1e03d63363bb367a22ee7f6e8f3ef81436d6209b.png "source: imgur.com")](https://imgur.com/MtqxeTA) ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2020, 7:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/moderation-of-the-forums/244360/1362 "2020-09-01T07:12:14Z")
He’s pasting a line from my post in order to try to cast himself as a forum pariah in an effort to expose and highlight apparent moderator bias. If they censure him for it while not censuring me, then obviously the mods are playing favorites. The only issue with this strategy (and I admit, it _is_ quite clever) is that it’s missing the crucial context from the rest of my post, and he didn’t wait to try it out when I’m asleep and unable to point all of this out. :V PS: please don’t be mean to Archer ---
**Author:** ![Foggy\_Bernstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/foggy_bernstein/32/407887_2.png) [@Foggy\_Bernstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Foggy_Bernstein)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2020, 7:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/moderation-of-the-forums/244360/1364 "2020-09-01T07:26:41Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > he didn’t wait to try it out when I’m asleep Pretty sure zombies don’t sleep. Not that it would matter anyway. The reposting of your post is just gravy. ---
**Author:** ![Mu\_ad\_Diib](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mu_ad_diib/32/389247_2.png) [@Mu\_ad\_Diib](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mu_ad_Diib)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2020, 7:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/moderation-of-the-forums/244360/1365 "2020-09-01T07:28:19Z")
Can I suggest that people actually read the original post before they write here? I feel that we’re drifting somewhat, although given that there are now over a thousand replies that might be understandable… ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2020, 9:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/moderation-of-the-forums/244360/1366 "2020-09-01T09:13:19Z")
> [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > Such a perfect show of hostility again from the Vals Loeder. And blocked. 👌 > > Dont even care if that person will be banned or not, not my problem anymore. Dont have to read that. 😁 Yup, and moderation continues to allow that toxic troll and it’s posts to stay active in these forums. Just more proof that ISD is biased and doesn’t enforce the rules equally among all posters. ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2020, 11:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/moderation-of-the-forums/244360/1367 "2020-09-01T11:26:25Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > Just more proof that ISD is biased and doesn’t enforce the rules equally among all posters. You mean like your previous ‘proof’ which was outright wrong based on your flawed belief of how the forum moderation works… Which you ran away from that conversation as soon as the facts showed you were wrong. Yeah, you really don’t get how things work. And you just bluster and shout about new topics. If anyone should be banned from these forums it’s you for constantly abusing the ISD’s under false pretences. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2020, 1:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/moderation-of-the-forums/244360/1368 "2020-09-01T13:05:41Z")
I feel a lot of people would start to “abuse” ISD if he is personally attacked, called names, for having different opinion, when attacker shows only the hostile emotional response that arises from being in opposition, nothing else, without ISD reaction. The other way is to just block a person, but that doesnt get rid of the problem because that person could attack elsewhere, somebody else… spoiling forums, if ISD doesnt react eventually. I just learned to report a post, then if I see nothing is being done or changing, I block, because it isnt my responsibility or urge to read some posters angry remarks or calling me sexually explicit names. I think every ISD member should place himself in the role of every poster that is being attacked as I wrote above, and remove the offending posts, doesnt matter who posts them, even if that would be Hilmar himself. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/moderation-of-the-forums/244360.md?page=52) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/moderation-of-the-forums/244360.md?page=54)