# Moderation of the Forums

**URL:** <https://forums.eveonline.com/t/moderation-of-the-forums/244360>\
**Category:** General Discussion\
**Created:** [May 27, 2020, 6:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/moderation-of-the-forums/244360 "2020-05-27T06:52:59Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\
**Post date:** [September 1, 2020, 11:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/moderation-of-the-forums/244360/1390 "2020-09-01T23:20:43Z")

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I think that he’s referring to recent posts that have been hidden by community flagging but not removed from the thread.

BTW have the forums experienced some kind of fuckery today? I received a badge for my first like earlier, despite being here since the beginning.

Apparently 81 others have too.

[https://forums.eveonline.com/badges/5/welcome](https://forums.eveonline.com/badges/5/welcome)

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**Author:** ![ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_dorrim_barstorlode/32/361083_2.png) [@ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Dorrim_Barstorlode)\
**Post date:** [September 1, 2020, 11:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/moderation-of-the-forums/244360/1391 "2020-09-01T23:22:39Z")

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I try to avoid removing posts unless absolutely necessary, because that is how transparency has worked for the past… 6 years or so.

Also, some buttons did get pressed behind the scenes as we work on some stuff.

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**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\
**Post date:** [September 1, 2020, 11:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/moderation-of-the-forums/244360/1392 "2020-09-01T23:24:06Z")

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> [@ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](#):
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> I try to avoid removing posts unless absolutely necessary, because that is how transparency has worked for the past… 6 years or so.

Apparently that’s not good enough for some :bleh:

> Also, some buttons did get pressed behind the scenes as we work on some stuff.

Button pushing you say? Can we blame @CCP_Tuxford?

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**Author:** ![ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_dorrim_barstorlode/32/361083_2.png) [@ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Dorrim_Barstorlode)\
**Post date:** [September 1, 2020, 11:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/moderation-of-the-forums/244360/1393 "2020-09-01T23:25:29Z")

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No, only one person has the reigns at the moment. But here, have a courtesy 🔴. It acts like a large button.

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**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\
**Post date:** [September 1, 2020, 11:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/moderation-of-the-forums/244360/1394 "2020-09-01T23:26:20Z")

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ooh edgy, that’s going to annoy people.

Well played.

Not that Tuxford is ever going to live that down.

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**Author:** ![ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_dorrim_barstorlode/32/361083_2.png) [@ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Dorrim_Barstorlode)\
**Post date:** [September 1, 2020, 11:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/moderation-of-the-forums/244360/1395 "2020-09-01T23:28:19Z")

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It could have been a record button, but this was the closest I could get to a large red button outside using imgur.

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**Author:** ![Avaelica\_Kuershin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/avaelica_kuershin/32/478139_2.png) [@Avaelica\_Kuershin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Avaelica_Kuershin)\
**Post date:** [September 1, 2020, 11:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/moderation-of-the-forums/244360/1396 "2020-09-01T23:29:53Z")

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> [@ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](#):
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> some buttons did get pressed

I have noticed that some posters are very good at “pressing buttons”

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**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\
**Post date:** [September 1, 2020, 11:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/moderation-of-the-forums/244360/1397 "2020-09-01T23:53:04Z")

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My turn. 🙃

So if I call a snowflake and a forum troll, a snowflake and a forum troll, I can get banned?

@Archer_en_Tilavine My posts are now getting **censured**? 😱

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**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\
**Post date:** [September 2, 2020, 12:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/moderation-of-the-forums/244360/1398 "2020-09-02T00:03:08Z")

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> [@ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](#):
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> I try to avoid removing posts unless absolutely necessary, because that is how transparency has worked for the past… 6 years or so.

This Discourse Forum has only been active for 3 years. Most flagged posts that violated the rules in the old forums were either edited or removed.

Anyway, according to the rules for this forum:

> Posts that are non-constructive, insulting or in breach of the rules will be deleted regardless of how valid the ideas behind them may be.

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**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\
**Post date:** [September 2, 2020, 12:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/moderation-of-the-forums/244360/1400 "2020-09-02T00:14:14Z")

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> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#):
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> Most flagged posts that violated the rules in the old forums were either edited or removed.

I don’t remember the old forums having a flagging mechanism.

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**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\
**Post date:** [September 2, 2020, 12:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/moderation-of-the-forums/244360/1401 "2020-09-02T00:15:35Z")

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The old forums had a ‘Report’ option, basically the same thing.

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**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\
**Post date:** [September 2, 2020, 12:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/moderation-of-the-forums/244360/1403 "2020-09-02T00:24:23Z")

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> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#):
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> The old forums had a ‘Report’ option, basically the same thing.

And rule breaking posts were often edited just enough to be able to leave them on the old forums, so, Dorrim is correct regarding the leaving of posts & transparency.  
Now stop flailing about in a tantrum throwing things at the wall hoping something will stick.

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**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\
**Post date:** [September 2, 2020, 12:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/moderation-of-the-forums/244360/1405 "2020-09-02T00:32:46Z")

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Dude, there’s a big difference between leaving rule breaking posts active as they were originally written verses leaving posts active after being edited.

The only one here that’s flailing around in a tantrum throwing things at the wall hoping something will stick is you.

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**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\
**Post date:** [September 2, 2020, 12:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/moderation-of-the-forums/244360/1406 "2020-09-02T00:35:42Z")

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> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#):
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> there’s a big difference between leaving rule breaking posts active

If it’s rule breaking it gets hidden.  
If you want to call that active, well, that’s you changing what words mean.  
If it’s not hidden, clearly it wasn’t actually breaking the rules, regardless of what you, I, or other forum users think.

I mean, I think a whole lot of your recent posts break the harassment rules, but they aren’t hidden, does that mean ISD are biased towards you? Or just that ISD think your posts don’t meet a significant enough threshold despite my opinion?

I.E. your opinion on how rule breaking a post is does not fact make.

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**Author:** ![Foggy\_Bernstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/foggy_bernstein/32/407887_2.png) [@Foggy\_Bernstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Foggy_Bernstein)\
**Post date:** [September 2, 2020, 12:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/moderation-of-the-forums/244360/1410 "2020-09-02T00:46:32Z")

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> [@Avaelica\_Kuershin](#):
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> > [@ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](#):
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> > some buttons did get pressed
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> I have noticed that some posters are very good at “pressing buttons”

And some are really over sensitive when it comes to them getting their buttons pressed back on them.

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**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\
**Post date:** [September 2, 2020, 1:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/moderation-of-the-forums/244360/1411 "2020-09-02T01:00:06Z")

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TL;DR:

- Un-ban politics and religion.

- Everything but newbie help channel is omega-only, GTFO alpha peasants.

- Nobody cares about your forum likes or flags.

- Give me ban powers so I can clean up this mess.

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**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\
**Post date:** [September 2, 2020, 1:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/moderation-of-the-forums/244360/1412 "2020-09-02T01:12:26Z")

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> [@Nevyn\_Auscent](#):
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> If it’s rule breaking it gets hidden.  
> If you want to call that active, well, that’s you changing what words mean.

A post that’s hidden on these forums can still be viewed which means it’s still active on these forums. A post that’s hidden and then removed is no longer active on these forums.

That’s it, bottom line.

> [@Nevyn\_Auscent](#):
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> I mean, I think a whole lot of your recent posts break the harassment rules,

More so for you, especially since you constantly look to initiate a personal interaction.

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**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\
**Post date:** [September 2, 2020, 1:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/moderation-of-the-forums/244360/1413 "2020-09-02T01:15:05Z")

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> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#):
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> look to initiate a personal interaction.

Its a forum! You post for personal interaction.

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**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\
**Post date:** [September 2, 2020, 1:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/moderation-of-the-forums/244360/1414 "2020-09-02T01:25:15Z")

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> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#):
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> More so for you, especially since you constantly look to initiate a personal interaction.

Yes… rebutting points that are on topic with logic and reasoning is harassment…  
You don’t like my replies and feel upset by them? Start using logic and reasoning yourself rather than tinfoil conspiracy posting.

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**Author:** ![Archer\_en\_Tilavine](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/archer_en_tilavine/32/461718_2.png) [@Archer\_en\_Tilavine](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Archer_en_Tilavine)\
**Post date:** [September 2, 2020, 1:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/moderation-of-the-forums/244360/1415 "2020-09-02T01:28:32Z")

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You’ve got the trolls that make people laugh and are a welcomed part of the community (_ **#TeamTroll** _) whether or not they actually contribute (and they almost always do), and you’ve got the trolls that are annoying to no one’s enjoyment but their own, and then you have users that don’t mean to be trolls but their poor interpersonal skills and/or innate stupidity and/or deliberate vitriol lead them to be cancerous. It’s the last two categories we need to moderate more heavily.

# Long live #TeamTroll!!1!

👹👹👹

Anyway, to follow up on what was said earlier, I think a forum feature request has to be issued for Aurora to look over (I’ll type one up later) for posts to be “moderator-hidden” such that they can be revised to be visible again, but whose contents cannot be visible at all in the meantime (ie. no one can view content like we can now with regular flags). Otherwise we’ll have a whole bunch of cancerous posts that have been acted upon but whose contents remain visible, which continues to plague the forums with excessively hostile comments, etc.

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