# MODS PLEASE LOCK - Jim’s ruined another one 👍 **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [August 18, 2026, 4:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mods-please-lock-jim-s-ruined-another-one/516630 "2026-08-18T16:50:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 21
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2026, 2:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mods-please-lock-jim-s-ruined-another-one/516630/467 "2026-09-06T02:17:28Z")
> [@AristaBarret](#): > > Man I’ll tell you exactly what I do to practice… Because I would dispute that the station had enough DPS to break your logi… The tactic they use is to neut a logi ship for a brief period and then neut a new one, in rotation. The purpose of this is to break the logi chain and its up/down linkage. Even with logi being on the ball and reporting neut in comms, there’s still a brief period where the chain is broken…and if the defender keeps shifting which logi ship is neuted, it can cause chaos. I do think, though, that things are maybe weighted a little too much in favour of the attacker. I can think of very few structures we failed to destroy, and that’s sometimes with just a dozen people fleet. I’d be in favour of allowing stations to have logi defence. Incidentally…I have never heard of a mining fleet using logi for defence against ganking, though I have heard of the use of ships with ECM, which is also what the anti-gankers in Uedama area use. ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2026, 2:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mods-please-lock-jim-s-ruined-another-one/516630/468 "2026-09-06T02:22:52Z")
> [@kage1982](#): > > Did you talk to them after and explain this ? Not really, as usually they just wait for the station bashing alliances to move to a new area and then they build a new station. They know it will probably be two or three years before we return to the area. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2026, 3:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mods-please-lock-jim-s-ruined-another-one/516630/469 "2026-09-06T03:32:58Z")
> [@Gloria\_Exercitus](#): > > I have never heard of a mining fleet using logi for defence against ganking It’s fairly common. Sometimes they have Nestors. ---
**Author:** ![Anna\_Dyneaux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anna_dyneaux/32/510758_2.png) [@Anna\_Dyneaux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anna_Dyneaux)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2026, 9:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mods-please-lock-jim-s-ruined-another-one/516630/471 "2026-09-06T09:40:11Z")
> [@Mina\_Tsunami](#): > > So an AI agent or something is running the server with free help from carebears in game as mods? Delegation I guess. It’s nothing so sophisticated, it just automatically hides anything that receives more than three flags or something. A moderator is supposed to look at the flagged messages and whitelist any that aren’t actually against the rules, but that doesn’t happen. ---
**Author:** ![kage1982](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kage1982/32/496925_2.png) [@kage1982](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/kage1982)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2026, 10:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mods-please-lock-jim-s-ruined-another-one/516630/472 "2026-09-06T10:10:14Z")
Sadly automation and AI is a more cost effective method of moderation these days than a person . In instances as such it’s understandable, I don’t agree with it but it’s understandable. > [@Anna\_Dyneaux](#): > > hides anything that receives more than three flags or something Needs to be from X number of users (persons) from different local (IP) or folk could just have X amount of Free to play accounts and effectively mute everyone. Now in an attempt to to get us back on topic folks We have agreed that Suicide Ganking happens, the constant disagreement is if it’s an intended feature but for the sake of sanity all round let’s not go there. How much does negative aftermath in channels, Websites and streaming content etc have on new and older players who fall victim to it have on players choosing to leave ? Keep it civil folks and on topic, the mods only got a dell in a garage after all lol 😂 > [@Mina\_Tsunami](#): > > We could run this forum in the garage using an old Dell… apparently Won’t lie this made me chuckle:) ---
**Author:** ![Mina\_Tsunami](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mina_tsunami/32/501934_2.png) [@Mina\_Tsunami](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mina_Tsunami)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2026, 10:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mods-please-lock-jim-s-ruined-another-one/516630/473 "2026-09-06T10:24:01Z")
Thx for the info. Fancy lingo on a simple function. its on autopilot. ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2026, 11:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mods-please-lock-jim-s-ruined-another-one/516630/474 "2026-09-06T11:43:40Z")
> [@kage1982](#): > > We have agreed that Suicide Ganking happens, the constant disagreement is if it’s an intended feature but for the sake of sanity all round let’s not go there. > > How much does negative aftermath in channels, Websites and streaming content etc have on new and older players who fall victim to it have on players choosing to leave ? Well…we have long since ‘been there’ and read the book, got the t-shirt, etc. It is an _established fact_ that ganking is intended roleplay. To any rational thinking person, the very design of the game also makes that very clear. What would even be the _point_ of allowing red status in highsec if nobody could attack others ? What would be the _point_ of varying Concord response times by security level if there was nothing for Concord to respond to ? It is thus **patently obvious** that ganking is intended play. You might not _like_ that, but that doesn’t stop it being a fact. And you are still desperately flailing around trying to find evidence to support your biases. That is really not how things should work. You should not start out with a bias or belief and then look for ‘evidence’ to support it…as that just leads to confirmation bias. Rather, as in good science, you should start first with evidence. The very fact that you need to ask ‘how much…’ despite the stats I provided above…shows that you don’t actually have any evidence at all. All you have is a belief. Well…there are people who ‘believe’ the earth is flat and who have more evidence for it than you do for your cause. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2026, 11:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mods-please-lock-jim-s-ruined-another-one/516630/475 "2026-09-06T11:51:41Z")
> [@kage1982](#): > > We have agreed that Suicide Ganking happens, the constant disagreement is if it’s an intended feature but for the sake of sanity all round let’s not go there. For sure lets go back there, before anyone believes that nonsense. Ganking is _of course_ an intended feature. See this picture: ![highsecrules](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/7/0/8/708e051d6e97b58d82bce737f242b8f535b8a28d.jpeg) It really _isn’t_ like there is some kind of “debate” or “disagreement” about that. It’s one or two trolls against the overwhelming majority of experienced players. ---
**Author:** ![kage1982](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kage1982/32/496925_2.png) [@kage1982](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/kage1982)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2026, 12:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mods-please-lock-jim-s-ruined-another-one/516630/476 "2026-09-06T12:36:03Z")
Again that’s a screenshot of what’s effectively the instruction manual. What is lacking is the developer themselves saying in a post or newsletter etc “Suicide Ganking is an intended part of the game mechanics” or something along those lines. Perhaps that’s deliberate who knows . Needless to say it’s something we should just agree to disagree on and be civil. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2026, 12:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mods-please-lock-jim-s-ruined-another-one/516630/477 "2026-09-06T12:45:28Z")
> [@kage1982](#): > > Again that’s a screenshot of what’s effectively the instruction manual. I am civil. You are just wrong. 🤷‍♂️ ---
**Author:** ![kage1982](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kage1982/32/496925_2.png) [@kage1982](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/kage1982)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2026, 12:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mods-please-lock-jim-s-ruined-another-one/516630/478 "2026-09-06T12:46:06Z")
And I think you are wrong so we shall just agree to disagree and get on with it our lives yes ? ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2026, 12:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mods-please-lock-jim-s-ruined-another-one/516630/479 "2026-09-06T12:52:03Z")
I don’t think I force you to extend this conversation. For me it is important to make absolutely clear that - there is no “well it could be that way or it could be this way”. Just not. It’s absolutely clear that ganking is an intended part of the gameplay and the absolutely overwhelming majority of players understands that. That is why messages like the above exist, that is why CONCORD has different response time in different security classes, that is why the “criminal” status has been implemented into the game. Your tries to paint the picture in a way as if that was still “under debate” are in vain. There is no debate. There is an overwhelming agreement in the playerbase and you are just wrong. Thats the factual situation. And what you _belive_ plays absolutely no role. You either troll or are _completely_ delusional. And that was _very civil_. ---
**Author:** ![kage1982](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kage1982/32/496925_2.png) [@kage1982](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/kage1982)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2026, 12:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mods-please-lock-jim-s-ruined-another-one/516630/480 "2026-09-06T12:56:03Z")
> [@Syzygium](#): > > There is an overwhelming agreement in the playerbase Be wary of the echo chambers you put yourself in. There are just as many who believe one way a they do the other. This topic alone does not include anything near 1% of the player base. That said you believe one way and I believe the other. We seem to be at an impasse so best to agree to disagree and move on yes 👍 > [@Syzygium](#): > > You either troll or are _completely_ delusional. > > And that was _very civil_. It was until the “Troll” and “delusional” part. name calling is not required . ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2026, 1:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mods-please-lock-jim-s-ruined-another-one/516630/481 "2026-09-06T13:03:37Z")
> [@kage1982](#): > > It was until the “Troll” and “delusional” part. name calling is not required . Questioning things is good. Questioning things when all evidence points to the contrary and ignoring all the evidence is what people who believe the Earth is flat do. I think it’s funny what they do, as long as they’re not hurting anyone, but I’d call them trolls. Your attempts to question whether suicide ganking is intentional in a game which literally explains suicide ganking exists, made game mechanics specifically enabling suicide ganking _(safety settings)_ when the game clearly also is capable of disabling it _(Exordium)_, and has mechanics that specifically interact with suicide ganking _(CONCORD response times)_ in the parts of the game it describes to have suicide ganking _(High security space)_ reminds me of Flat Earthers. You just ignore all the evidence and make your own story. I think ‘troll’ is a fitting description. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2026, 1:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mods-please-lock-jim-s-ruined-another-one/516630/482 "2026-09-06T13:07:58Z")
> [@kage1982](#): > > Be wary of the echo chambers you put yourself in. There is no echo chamber. The result is exactly the same whenver you ask _experienced players_. The only time when the results shift (and only partially) is if you ask _inexperienced players_ who simply need to be educated about the facts, because they don’t know better _yet_. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2026, 1:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mods-please-lock-jim-s-ruined-another-one/516630/483 "2026-09-06T13:08:38Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > suicide ganking is intentional It is so a better approach for him would be is to attempt convincing FC to remove or severely limit it. All he has to do is cause reasonable doubt or assumption it would hurt or benefit their bottom line enough to warrant such decision and it will be done in a heartbeat. Just as happened in the past even if it meant reversing their own decision (blackout aka nullsec local in delayed mode). 🤭 :psyccp: :ccpguard: > [@kage1982](#): > > name calling is not required Safe to assume he included it as an added bonus instead of fulfilling a requirement. 🤔 😏 🍿 🤭 ---
**Author:** ![kage1982](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kage1982/32/496925_2.png) [@kage1982](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/kage1982)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2026, 1:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mods-please-lock-jim-s-ruined-another-one/516630/484 "2026-09-06T13:10:38Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > Questioning things when all evidence points to the contrary and ignoring all the evidence is what people who believe the Earth is flat do There’s a difference between questioning what is said and questioning who said it. There’s also a difference between what is said and what isn’t said, often what isn’t said is what’s needed to provide confirmation and context to what is said . I am by no means trolling, simply stating (and have been doing so for the motive been here) that there needs to be clarification, and that clarification must come from the developer and not a screen grab from an instruction manual that has been left to rot explaining the game mechanics. There also needs to be accountability for those who do provoke and troll players in unwarranted ways such as external blogs and in game channels. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2026, 1:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mods-please-lock-jim-s-ruined-another-one/516630/485 "2026-09-06T13:13:01Z")
> [@kage1982](#): > > There also needs to be accountability for those who do provoke and troll players in unwarranted ways such as external blogs and in game channels. Did you report those to support under harassment or such? 🤔 ---
**Author:** ![kage1982](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kage1982/32/496925_2.png) [@kage1982](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/kage1982)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2026, 1:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mods-please-lock-jim-s-ruined-another-one/516630/486 "2026-09-06T13:15:16Z")
I may well have, or perhaps this discussion is intended to provide the opportunity and a mirror for said people to look into. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2026, 1:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mods-please-lock-jim-s-ruined-another-one/516630/487 "2026-09-06T13:19:10Z")
> [@kage1982](#): > > and not a screen grab from an instruction manual that has been left to rot explaining the game mechanics. Which instruction manual are you talking about and what do you mean with ‘left to rot’? This screenshot is from a **recently** implemented explanation in the in-game map. Not some old manual and not out-of-date either. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mods-please-lock-jim-s-ruined-another-one/516630.md?page=20) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mods-please-lock-jim-s-ruined-another-one/516630.md?page=22)