# Monthly Economic Report - August 2019 **URL:** \ **Category:** Dev Blogs\ **Tags:** mer, official, devblog\ **Created:** [September 6, 2019, 2:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-august-2019/188127 "2019-09-06T14:30:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zhalyd_lyehin/32/358574_2.png) [@Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zhalyd_Lyehin)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2019, 4:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-august-2019/188127/41 "2019-09-06T16:32:07Z")
Excuse the question but: What kind of fun do you have? You are inactive in EVE when it comes to PVP, your corp is PVP inactive. You keep talking about this fun that it makes someone think you’d be drowining out the stars with the blood of capsuleers. Yet, all you do is hide in a wormhole. What is that fun that you are having? ---
**Author:** ![Xuixien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuixien/32/416896_2.png) [@Xuixien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuixien)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2019, 4:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-august-2019/188127/42 "2019-09-06T16:32:24Z")
> [@Salt\_Foambreaker](#): > > Every summer, same thing, the sky is falling, boo hoo hoo…. People who say “EVE is dying” do have one advantage - time is on their side. On a long enough perspective, EVE is dying. ---
**Author:** ![Forum\_Posting\_Alt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/forum_posting_alt/32/254303_2.png) [@Forum\_Posting\_Alt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Forum_Posting_Alt)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2019, 4:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-august-2019/188127/43 "2019-09-06T16:32:32Z")
> [@Salt\_Foambreaker](#): > > Every summer, same thing, the sky is falling, boo hoo hoo…. True, but PCU is declining more rapidly over last year or two - but CCP income is $50m, so not exactly dead yet 🙂 Although still investing in other games that will die horribly… ---
**Author:** ![Xuixien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuixien/32/416896_2.png) [@Xuixien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuixien)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2019, 4:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-august-2019/188127/44 "2019-09-06T16:34:00Z")
> [@Forum\_Posting\_Alt](#): > > Although still investing in other games that will die horribly… CCP needs to realize that EVE Online _ **is** _ their company. ---
**Author:** ![Forum\_Posting\_Alt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/forum_posting_alt/32/254303_2.png) [@Forum\_Posting\_Alt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Forum_Posting_Alt)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2019, 4:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-august-2019/188127/45 "2019-09-06T16:35:49Z")
> [@Xuixien](#): > > Not at all. > > You’re saying PCU is down to 2007 levels (and falling). I’m suggesting that this isn’t necessarily a bad thing, and provided supporting evidence for my claim. That is not supporting evidence though, just a game’s history - utterly irrelevant to game health - and I would argue (in part due to CCPs own actions) much of the lore and history (cultural inclusion) in the game is lost and/or forgotten - and relies on older players… ---
**Author:** ![Xuixien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuixien/32/416896_2.png) [@Xuixien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuixien)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2019, 4:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-august-2019/188127/46 "2019-09-06T16:37:32Z")
> [@Forum\_Posting\_Alt](#): > > That is not supporting evidence though, just a game’s history - utterly irrelevant to game health - and I would argue (in part due to CCPs own actions) much of the lore and history (cultural inclusion) in the game is lost and/or forgotten - and relies on older players… It is supporting evidence. It shows that a low PCU isn’t necessarily a bad thing. There was still plenty of content back in those days. So unless you’re _not_ trying to insinuate that a falling/low PCU is a bad thing… which I think you are. It is in fact a counterpoint. ---
**Author:** ![Forum\_Posting\_Alt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/forum_posting_alt/32/254303_2.png) [@Forum\_Posting\_Alt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Forum_Posting_Alt)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2019, 4:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-august-2019/188127/47 "2019-09-06T16:37:53Z")
> [@Xuixien](#): > > > Although still investing in other games that will die horribly… > > CCP needs to realize that EVE Online _ **is** _ their company. Well, they have made eve echoes - slightly less fiddly eve for mobiles, but still complicated (non-user friendly) enough to never be a mobile success (or even a minor one) And now they are advertising to recruit for yet another game project! ---
**Author:** ![Forum\_Posting\_Alt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/forum_posting_alt/32/254303_2.png) [@Forum\_Posting\_Alt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Forum_Posting_Alt)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2019, 4:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-august-2019/188127/48 "2019-09-06T16:40:22Z")
> [@Xuixien](#): > > It is supporting evidence. It shows that a low PCU isn’t necessarily a bad thing. There was still plenty of content back in those days. > > So unless you’re _not_ trying to insinuate that a falling/low PCU is a bad thing… which I think you are. It is in fact a counterpoint. OK, all in the nuance, which I misinterpreted - you are correct in that low PCU wasn’t a bad thing back then - I am not sure that is true in the current reality though - that said, PA have invested in CCP so lets wait and see And I would go slightly further and state that there was ‘more’ content back then… ---
**Author:** ![Xuixien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuixien/32/416896_2.png) [@Xuixien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuixien)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2019, 4:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-august-2019/188127/49 "2019-09-06T16:41:38Z")
> [@Forum\_Posting\_Alt](#): > > OK, all in the nuance, which I misinterpreted - you are correct in that low PCU wasn’t a bad thing back then - I am not sure that is true in the current reality though - that said, PA have invested in CCP so lets wait and see Agreed. I’m hopeful for the future and not ready to throw in the towel just yet. ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2019, 4:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-august-2019/188127/50 "2019-09-06T16:42:09Z")
> [@Forum\_Posting\_Alt](#): > > Although still investing in other games that will die horribly… If it is all so terrible, why don’t you go away? ---
**Author:** ![Forum\_Posting\_Alt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/forum_posting_alt/32/254303_2.png) [@Forum\_Posting\_Alt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Forum_Posting_Alt)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2019, 4:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-august-2019/188127/51 "2019-09-06T16:42:17Z")
> [@Xuixien](#): > > Agreed. I’m hopeful for the future and not ready to throw in the towel just yet. On that we can agree for sure - although occasionally (more frequently) get the jitters 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Forum\_Posting\_Alt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/forum_posting_alt/32/254303_2.png) [@Forum\_Posting\_Alt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Forum_Posting_Alt)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2019, 4:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-august-2019/188127/52 "2019-09-06T16:43:15Z")
> [@Salt\_Foambreaker](#): > > > Although still investing in other games that will die horribly… > > If it is all so terrible, why don’t you go away? Whoosh… 💨💨💨 ---
**Author:** ![cpu939](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cpu939/32/250881_2.png) [@cpu939](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/cpu939)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2019, 4:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-august-2019/188127/53 "2019-09-06T16:47:22Z")
> [@Xuixien](#): > > > [@Forum\_Posting\_Alt](#): > > > > That is not supporting evidence though, just a game’s history - utterly irrelevant to game health - and I would argue (in part due to CCPs own actions) much of the lore and history (cultural inclusion) in the game is lost and/or forgotten - and relies on older players… > > It is supporting evidence. It shows that a low PCU isn’t necessarily a bad thing. There was still plenty of content back in those days. > > So unless you’re _not_ trying to insinuate that a falling/low PCU is a bad thing… which I think you are. It is in fact a counterpoint. Falling/low PCU isn’t a bad thing on its own. If the lower PCU are linked to less omega accounts then it is a bad thing also we would need to take into account plex sales so the real question is how many omega accounts has ccp got how many plex are people buying to sell/use in game. remember as well cost in 2007 where lower for CCP. ---
**Author:** ![Circumstantial\_Evidence](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/circumstantial_evidence/32/399551_2.png) [@Circumstantial\_Evidence](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Circumstantial_Evidence)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2019, 4:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-august-2019/188127/54 "2019-09-06T16:51:43Z")
On September 2, the Nosy Gamer took a hard look at publicly available August dotlan PvE and PvP activity numbers, broken out across security bands. The winner seemed to be: highsec, for an increase in PvE / NPC activity, as well as PvP. He deserves some clicks and likes for this work 🙂 On Aug 23 he wrote _“… we won’t know the real world financial cost to the Icelandic studio of the moves until the next Pearl Abyss investors call which should take place sometime in **November**.”_ > **[The EVE Online Blackout: August, The First Full Month](https://nosygamer.blogspot.com/2019/09/the-eve-online-blackout-august-first.html)** > > You don't have the data to make a judgment on the effects of blackout. I don't either. CCP does. - Olmeca Gold, member of CSM 14 August... ---
**Author:** ![Forum\_Posting\_Alt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/forum_posting_alt/32/254303_2.png) [@Forum\_Posting\_Alt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Forum_Posting_Alt)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2019, 4:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-august-2019/188127/55 "2019-09-06T16:57:07Z")
> [@cpu939](#): > > so the real question is how many omega accounts has ccp got how many plex are people buying to sell/use in game. Had some fun crunching numbers and making guesses in another thread: > [@Eve Concurrent Average Online under 20k now frowning](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-concurrent-average-online-under-20k-now/185056/367): > > I’d say less, if the PA figures for CCP revenue are correct at approx $50m/year - we have not had a proper update (nor are we likely) from CCP for quite some time. > > If all that income came from monthly subs, that would be 278,000 omega accounts, and we know a lot of income comes from plex (and therefore skins etc) and some other non eve specific income - so I’d suggest considerably less - more in the region of 180,000 omega accounts with at least half in null sec. > > I’d suggest around 100-120,000 actual players (with omega accounts) at max - plus alpha > > I may be being a little generous - but probably not too far off given the PCU numbers Although on reflection, I’d increase the 180,000 number to 200,000 or so ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2019, 5:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-august-2019/188127/56 "2019-09-06T17:14:30Z")
The great ISK deflation is upon us. [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/3/a/3ae4584d5c61a7bc2801af86bcc83faeeef4d200.png) ](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/3/a/3ae4584d5c61a7bc2801af86bcc83faeeef4d200.png) ---
**Author:** ![Xuixien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuixien/32/416896_2.png) [@Xuixien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuixien)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2019, 5:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-august-2019/188127/57 "2019-09-06T17:39:47Z")
Can’t wait for my 100b to actually be worth something again. ---
**Author:** ![Compo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/compo/32/167680_2.png) [@Compo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Compo)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2019, 7:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-august-2019/188127/58 "2019-09-06T19:11:48Z")
![resession](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/0/2/02da9a52bf4f274d6090628e48967c9e13a1cc6b.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Kanzero](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kanzero/32/394038_2.png) [@Kanzero](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kanzero)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2019, 7:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-august-2019/188127/59 "2019-09-06T19:19:45Z")
Thankfully the Ostrich milk production was not affected by Blackout. That’s the most important stat. ---
**Author:** ![Sgt\_Ocker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sgt_ocker/32/270881_2.png) [@Sgt\_Ocker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sgt_Ocker)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2019, 9:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-august-2019/188127/60 "2019-09-06T21:36:12Z")
Difference between 2007 and now - 2007 didn’t have Super capital spam, Structures that take a week to kill, even if undefended, Sov that is the same everywhere so no need to fight for once you have it, It didn’t have 3 or 4 major groups dominating the landscape of Sov. Oh and the biggest difference - those who worked at CCP had a clue. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-august-2019/188127.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-august-2019/188127.md?page=4)