# Monthly Economic Report - June 2020 **URL:** \ **Category:** Dev Blogs\ **Tags:** mer, official, devblog\ **Created:** [July 23, 2020, 8:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-june-2020/256461 "2020-07-23T20:38:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Daro\_Mozu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daro_mozu/32/184030_2.png) [@Daro\_Mozu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daro_Mozu)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2020, 6:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-june-2020/256461/61 "2020-07-27T06:00:40Z")
That is still a source of income. ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2020, 6:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-june-2020/256461/62 "2020-07-27T06:21:40Z")
Income is very hard to measure though. Because of the volatility of prices and the delay. If I transfer 1 billion LP into items, is that income yet? Or does it wait till sold. By which point the market may have moved. What value does the raw LP have? Most LP stores have items of negative value even. And the most valuable tend to move 1 a week, so aren’t a realistic measure for the value either. It’s also mostly irrelevant across the economy, creation and destruction matter far more than transfer. ---
**Author:** ![Daro\_Mozu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daro_mozu/32/184030_2.png) [@Daro\_Mozu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daro_Mozu)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2020, 6:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-june-2020/256461/63 "2020-07-27T06:47:52Z")
Usually this is fixed by a defined period and rules of estimation, like “isk you´ve got in your wallet per 30 days”, just an example. Not sure how irrelevant it is since mission runners dont tend to lose much but rather generate ton of stuff (up to a specific ship per specific mission) and affect prices on certain items. ---
**Author:** ![Squidical](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/squidical/32/213201_2.png) [@Squidical](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Squidical)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2020, 7:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-june-2020/256461/64 "2020-07-27T07:37:55Z")
I made no argument about a healthy, or unhealthy economy. You’ve also rather willfully missed the point. The root of that is likely similar to what causes your initial complaint. :^) I would rather feed the ducks. ---
**Author:** ![Squidical](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/squidical/32/213201_2.png) [@Squidical](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Squidical)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2020, 8:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-june-2020/256461/65 "2020-07-27T08:00:17Z")
Non-sequitur much? zzzzzzzzz ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2020, 8:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-june-2020/256461/66 "2020-07-27T08:04:34Z")
> [@Daro\_Mozu](#): > > isk you´ve got in your wallet per 30 days So how do you handle an industrialist. They have huge turnover compared to profit. Do you count all the thoroughfare or just the difference. If you count it by difference, the month I turn my LP into items I actually take a massive loss of isk. ---
**Author:** ![Squidical](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/squidical/32/213201_2.png) [@Squidical](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Squidical)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2020, 8:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-june-2020/256461/67 "2020-07-27T08:35:47Z")
You’re really on a tangent. People are trying to shoehorn their playstyle everywhere? I don’t think these people actually exist, but they sure seem to bother you. Are they sending you massive evemail spam or something? ---
**Author:** ![Squidical](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/squidical/32/213201_2.png) [@Squidical](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Squidical)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2020, 9:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-june-2020/256461/68 "2020-07-27T09:48:00Z")
> [@Nevyn\_Auscent](#): > > There is a difference between isk faucets and wealth transfer. > LP generates wealth transfer. That isk has to be generated by someone else and actually sinks isk via LP store costs and market taxes. Yeah… and taxes and fees aren’t only a sink. They can be a damned expensive one. I do high to very high margin trading, with not a lot of price updating. 2.7% of expenses are fees/taxes. Consider that I’m basically churning large amounts of isk to flip items. It adds up. If my margins were more normal, the market would be stealing most of my profits. Also: Someone before me paid taxes/fees as well after creating those items. Less than I will spend, but still. ---
**Author:** ![Daro\_Mozu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daro_mozu/32/184030_2.png) [@Daro\_Mozu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daro_Mozu)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2020, 10:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-june-2020/256461/69 "2020-07-27T10:14:48Z")
I even named those people but you dont think they exist. ---
**Author:** ![Daro\_Mozu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daro_mozu/32/184030_2.png) [@Daro\_Mozu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daro_Mozu)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2020, 10:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-june-2020/256461/70 "2020-07-27T10:16:38Z")
As i´ve stated, it was just an example. I know that traders and builders have it much different than some casual ratter. And then you sell those items and you suddenly have much more isk, right? ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2020, 11:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-june-2020/256461/71 "2020-07-27T11:17:46Z")
> [@Daro\_Mozu](#): > > And then you sell those items and you suddenly have much more isk, right? Sure. But the buyers also have much less isk. This is why the MER doesn’t track that. As it’s not a reliable indictator of the economy. Only of individual wealth. ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2020, 12:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-june-2020/256461/72 "2020-07-27T12:26:11Z")
> [@Mark\_Remillard](#): > > In July 2019, It appears Bounty payouts dropped (for a couple months) by an extreme amount. What happened in that time period? The infamous Nullsec Blackout, aka Era of Chaos. Chaos it was, from July 12th until September 16th. ---
**Author:** ![Squidical](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/squidical/32/213201_2.png) [@Squidical](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Squidical)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2020, 3:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-june-2020/256461/73 "2020-07-27T15:34:09Z")
> [@Daro\_Mozu](#): > > What i never understood is some peoples desire to turn eve into one big faction warfare zone with only frigsize all around. > [@Daro\_Mozu](#): > > Like those who actually about to introduce permanent ESS: bring fw beacons to null, why not. > I do understand that it will be somewhat other mechanic but the principle is still the same. Though CCP now forcing defending party to fight (Suitonia pointed it out). > Or Phantomite (new CSM member) who´s dream is smallscale fw and who goes full “grr null”. Ok? You named one person on CSM? And “those people”? And your whole tangent is for some reason an unrelated reply to me and this economic report. Still doesn’t make much sense. Are you really THAT worried about…whatever this is? I mean, nullsec clearly isn’t going to turn into a frig dominate bunch of FW systems. And I doubt these zealots you imagine even think along these lines. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2020, 3:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-june-2020/256461/74 "2020-07-27T15:48:01Z")
I’m sure the null guys will defeat the whole plan - they will probably just get a fleet of MWD panthers and burn past the jumpgate to the site. Good luck taking your frigate in there. Daro worries too much. His frigate-loving-enemies are no match for Gobbins/Mittani/Whoever. ---
**Author:** ![Daro\_Mozu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daro_mozu/32/184030_2.png) [@Daro\_Mozu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daro_Mozu)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2020, 5:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-june-2020/256461/75 "2020-07-27T17:59:51Z")
Tbh individual wealth is nothing this MER represents either. All those nerfs to bounty generation affect only “low- to medium-class” ratters while top krabs with 10-20 alts couldn´t care less about those nerfs, they are still pulling more isk than many corporations. ---
**Author:** ![Daro\_Mozu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daro_mozu/32/184030_2.png) [@Daro\_Mozu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daro_Mozu)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2020, 6:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-june-2020/256461/76 "2020-07-27T18:04:36Z")
I named 2 persons on CSM, one former and one current. “Those people” are CCP. It wasn´t a reply to you specificly, rather a consideration about future of one of the highest isk-generating areas of the game which CCP was shitting on for about a year now and doesn´t seem to stop. > [@Squidical](#): > > And I doubt these zealots you imagine even think along these lines. You clearly didn´t listen/read what they were saying. ---
**Author:** ![Squidical](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/squidical/32/213201_2.png) [@Squidical](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Squidical)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2020, 6:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-june-2020/256461/77 "2020-07-27T18:13:38Z")
> [@Daro\_Mozu](#): > > You clearly didn´t listen/read what they were saying. Actually, I’m still not sure what this has to do with FW. Or why this is a big deal. You added a non-sequitur reply about FW and are good at changing the subject. Whining a lot isn’t an argument. Nor does it make your opinion or experience important. A lot of people in life are miserable, whine a lot, and don’t make sense. Even on a basic level, it does not follow that strong economic indicators are objectively good for EVE. Try to argue against it. You might sound good doing it, MAYBE. Doesn’t even have to be true. It also, again, doesn’t mean your opinion or experience are important. ---
**Author:** ![Daro\_Mozu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daro_mozu/32/184030_2.png) [@Daro\_Mozu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daro_Mozu)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2020, 6:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-june-2020/256461/78 "2020-07-27T18:23:14Z")
> [@Squidical](#): > > I hope more people fly cheap stuff. Or at least smaller stuff. :^) And the rest of the message above that was basicly “join small scale paradise”. I raised a concern about > [@Daro\_Mozu](#): > > some peoples desire to turn eve into one big faction warfare zone with only frigsize all around. Which does not have to do aything with FW specifically but FW space is a great example of such an area of small scale warfare. > [@Squidical](#): > > Even on a basic level, it does not follow that strong economic indicators are objectively good for EVE. Try to argue against it. I´d rather watch you arguing about your message “fly small and cheap stuff” having much to do with economy itself rather then with “adapt”. The rest of your last message is not evev worth quoting, just one comment: arguing about an issue that you dont like is not whining. ---
**Author:** ![Squidical](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/squidical/32/213201_2.png) [@Squidical](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Squidical)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2020, 6:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-june-2020/256461/79 "2020-07-27T18:46:26Z")
> [@Daro\_Mozu](#): > > And the rest of the message above that was basicly “join small scale paradise”. I raised a concern about This is gold. What is the concern exactly? > [@Daro\_Mozu](#): > > The rest of your last message is not evev worth quoting, just one comment: arguing about an issue that you dont like is not whining. Congrats? This is hypocritical because the root and ongoing nature of your thread is you doing that. It’s not that I “don’t like it” … you initiated with a whine, then proceeded to whine. Trying to argue is not the same as constructing an argument. ---
**Author:** ![Daro\_Mozu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daro_mozu/32/184030_2.png) [@Daro\_Mozu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daro_Mozu)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2020, 6:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-june-2020/256461/80 "2020-07-27T18:58:55Z")
> [@Squidical](#): > > This is gold. What is the concern exactly? Do i realy have to quote my own message again? > [@Squidical](#): > > This is hypocritical because the root and ongoing nature of your thread is you doing that. It’s not that I “don’t like it” … you initiated with a whine I initiated with a concern of some peoples desire to showhorn their playstyle. It you see that as whining - that´s only about you. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-june-2020/256461.md?page=3) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-june-2020/256461.md?page=5)