# Monthly Economic Report - November 2019 **URL:** \ **Category:** Dev Blogs\ **Tags:** mer, official, devblog\ **Created:** [December 9, 2019, 4:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-november-2019/205439 "2019-12-09T16:50:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Eivar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/eivar/32/178879_2.png) [@Eivar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Eivar)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2019, 7:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-november-2019/205439/41 "2019-12-10T07:15:33Z")
I’m following all the squiggly lines on the charts and I think they say: PRODUCTION vs DESTRUCTION: Produced end products are more closely meeting supply and demand since late June/early July (a reasonably balanced I/O), DESTRUCTION VALUE BY REGION: Solitude is living up to its name, DECOMPOSITION INDEX: consumer price index is flat-lined against increasing raw material supply (hello pending inflation), and STARGATE JUMPS: Solitude saw more action than Stain but lost less. Invasion imminent? Keep making the colored charts, CCP. They’re pretty! ---
**Author:** ![F3ND1MUS](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/f3nd1mus/32/377706_2.png) [@F3ND1MUS](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/F3ND1MUS)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2019, 8:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-november-2019/205439/42 "2019-12-10T08:06:32Z")
> [@Dragos\_Highwind](#): > > it’s mostly dead with some occasional back alley muggings. loled ---
**Author:** ![CCP\_Dopamine](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ccp_dopamine/32/280835_2.png) [@CCP\_Dopamine](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/CCP_Dopamine)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2019, 8:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-november-2019/205439/43 "2019-12-10T08:55:09Z")
Fixed 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![cursedlion](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cursedlion/32/368512_2.png) [@cursedlion](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/cursedlion)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2019, 10:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-november-2019/205439/44 "2019-12-10T10:39:28Z")
welcome back bots ---
**Author:** ![Stille\_Nacht](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stille_nacht/32/170263_2.png) [@Stille\_Nacht](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Stille_Nacht)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2019, 2:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-november-2019/205439/45 "2019-12-10T14:05:15Z")
You have no idea. Here for you > **[Goonswarm Federation | Alliance](https://zkillboard.com/alliance/1354830081/losses/)** > > Goonswarm Federation: 1,835,363 ships destroyed and 1,568,800 ships lost. It happens enough, you just have to have balls to go to delve ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2019, 5:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-november-2019/205439/46 "2019-12-10T17:08:53Z")
> [@elitatwo](#): > > Now answer this, do you believe that 4 frigates are such a “threat” to “your space” that those 4 frigates will kill your entire infrastructure in 2 minutes and murder all your titans and sooper doopers and then stay to contest your space?? I believe that people coming in to harass our people is an annoyance. I believe that people coming into our space to harass our people with such a pathetic force as to be no threat to anything larger than some excavators or maybe a VNI is an _insulting_ annoyance. In both cases, I believe that behavior should be discouraged. I believe the best way to discourage that behavior is ensuring the people engaging in it have as bad a time as possible, so they never want to come back to our space in such an insulting manner, ever again. If I had my druthers, we wouldn’t drop titans, we’d drop a massive group of Vindicators, Interdictors, and 1 Keres for each enemy frigate, and we’d keep them webbed to 0 and scrammed until downtime, _just_ to give them even _less_ enjoyment of the experience. > [@](#): > > Didn’t YOU ask for “content”? > > Why discourage “your content”, didn’t you want “content” after all? Content. Not insults. Be worth our time, or GTFO. We’re perfectly capable of coming and finding _you_ when we get that bored. ---
**Author:** ![elitatwo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elitatwo/32/373473_2.png) [@elitatwo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/elitatwo)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2019, 5:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-november-2019/205439/47 "2019-12-10T17:17:29Z")
So in other words, it is only “okay” when goons do it or else. Hypocrisy at its finest. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2019, 5:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-november-2019/205439/48 "2019-12-10T17:18:27Z")
It’s only ‘okay’ when someone does it who _can get away with it_. If you can come into Delve and be a pain in our collective asses? Good for you. If you can’t? Stop whining about your own incompetence. ---
**Author:** ![Dyner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dyner/32/412155_2.png) [@Dyner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dyner)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2019, 6:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-november-2019/205439/49 "2019-12-10T18:43:52Z")
Just a heads up on the formatting… It’d be nice if clicking on the images didn’t take you to a new page. While hitting the back button isn’t terrible. It’s just kind of archaic. - Think Amazon, and how you can click on the image and a pop-up of said image appears with a larger view of the product. Other than that… I \<3 Data! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Litsea\_Reticulata](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/litsea_reticulata/32/328016_2.png) [@Litsea\_Reticulata](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Litsea_Reticulata)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2019, 9:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-november-2019/205439/50 "2019-12-10T21:19:55Z")
The argument is being framed the wrong way. Delve shouldn’t be criticised for playing the game well. That just seems unfair. What should be criticised ( as it all too often is the root cause ) is the broken mechanics that enable Delve or any other region to mine and rat 24/7 without the supply running out. It just doesn’t make sense that there’s this infinite supply of Sansha recruits to sacrifice themselves as it doesn’t make sense that ore anomalies only take a few hours to magically reappear again. ---
**Author:** ![Sgt\_Ocker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sgt_ocker/32/270881_2.png) [@Sgt\_Ocker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sgt_Ocker)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2019, 9:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-november-2019/205439/51 "2019-12-10T21:25:30Z")
I’m sorry, I need some clarification here. When a small force goes to Brave space with ill intentions, are they met with equal force or do Brave not put the biggest force they can muster in the way to stop them. Sure Goons often go with overkill dropping Supers on a few subcaps but then they have enough Supers to do so - You want to tell me Brave wouldn’t do it if they could? BTW; 2 carriers, 5 Machs, 4 dictors and a bunch of frigates is just as much overkill for 3 or 4 nano cruisers as 10 Supers is. Yes Supers need fixing but so does risk aversion in general and as that goes Brave is just as guilty as any other Bloc group. Those who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones indoors. NB; Why does every monthly economic report end up “Goon Bashing” - They aren’t doing anything different to the other Blocs, they just do it better ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2019, 9:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-november-2019/205439/52 "2019-12-10T21:29:57Z")
> [@Litsea\_Reticulata](#): > > infinite supply of Sansha recruits Blooders. Sansha are over in Stain et al. Just remember that if the ‘limited supply’ button comes down _too_ hard, we won’t _stop_, we’ll just start a slow steamroller through null as we keep moving to strip-mine everyone else’s space. There needs to be a balance point between conflict and stability, or everything eventually winds up ground down under the biggest group’s heel. > [@Sgt\_Ocker](#): > > risk aversion in general It also needs to be remembered that a lot of the time, what gets labelled ‘risk aversion’ is simply a reasonable cost/benefit analysis that comes back with ‘my _time_ is worth more than the fun I’d get from the experience’. ---
**Author:** ![Sgt\_Ocker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sgt_ocker/32/270881_2.png) [@Sgt\_Ocker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sgt_Ocker)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2019, 9:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-november-2019/205439/53 "2019-12-10T21:35:48Z")
I get that but i also believe if Supers weren’t the “goto” for most situations the game would be more active and more people would get a little enjoyment defending or attacking space. I in no way “blame” Goons for using Supers as CCP designed them to be used. Sadly CCP has slowly been removing the ability of anyone to come and challenge those Supers “that” is the biggest problem. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2019, 9:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-november-2019/205439/54 "2019-12-10T21:42:07Z")
Yep, it very much is. And they keep making it more and more necessary to _have_ supers just to be able to hold or take space… because that’s the only thing that can really fight supers. 🤷‍♂️ But either way, I stand by my earlier statement: people coming to screw w/Delve can either bring enough to be worth the time and effort to deal with them in a reasonable way, or we’ll deal with them in an unreasonable way. I got more days behind me than ahead, and I’ll be damned if I’ll waste time enabling some whiny little pissant’s need for a dopamine fix. Let 'em go wank off somewhere if they want. ---
**Author:** ![Dragos\_Highwind](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dragos_highwind/32/170517_2.png) [@Dragos\_Highwind](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dragos_Highwind)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2019, 10:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-november-2019/205439/55 "2019-12-10T22:11:39Z")
Lmao. This basically becomes: A) if you bring frigs I’m bringing supers to hot drop defend B) if you bring an actual caps + supcap fleet we’re going to bring 10x as many caps and sub caps C) if you bring Supers we’re going to bring 10x as many supers Now I’m not faulting you for defending your people, but lets not be silly in saying if a genuine fight was brought it wouldn’t be N+10 squashed. ---
**Author:** ![Sammy\_Bender](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sammy_bender/32/174551_2.png) [@Sammy\_Bender](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sammy_Bender)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2019, 12:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-november-2019/205439/56 "2019-12-11T00:46:52Z")
What really needs to happen is CCP make a sequel to EVE with better graphics and mechanics and a fresh open playing field. a lot of games do fresh wipe servers for a reason. Every effort to give people the chance to “catch up” has not really caught anyone up…Make a new game…every time i try to come back to eve its archaic and there is no chance i can talk anyone i know into playing it for the first time or coming back…just consider those things…eve is dying…cant blame one corp for it…its just showing its age and not drawing new players. ---
**Author:** ![Jaxan\_Brax](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jaxan_brax/32/404150_2.png) [@Jaxan\_Brax](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jaxan_Brax)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2019, 2:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-november-2019/205439/57 "2019-12-11T02:15:32Z")
Ever try wormholes? ---
**Author:** ![Sgt\_Ocker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sgt_ocker/32/270881_2.png) [@Sgt\_Ocker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sgt_Ocker)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2019, 9:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-november-2019/205439/58 "2019-12-11T21:41:32Z")
Nobody in any Bloc has ever said or even hinted that they want “genuine fights” in their space. The whole idea behind Bloc defences is to not put their space at risk, that’s why when ever someone tries they will be met with overwhelming defence fleets. CCP are solely to blame for this situation starting with FozzieSov and new structures, neither of which should have been put in game when and how they were. CCP wrongly “presumed” these two things would create the sort of fights that would generate headlines (free advertising) in mainstream media - Instead as predicted by many, they turned the game into what we have today, a mere shadow of what was once a great game. ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2019, 9:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-november-2019/205439/59 "2019-12-11T21:43:33Z")
> [@Sammy\_Bender](#): > > What really needs to happen is CCP make a sequel to EVE with better graphics and mechanics and a fresh open playing field. a lot of games do fresh wipe servers for a reason. Welcome to the community, Sammy, this is the dumbest idea ever and the only surefire way to kill EVE Online. I’m sure people will be okay with SIXTEEN YEARS worth of progress wiped away just because you feel like you should be able to “catch up”. ---
**Author:** ![Eivar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/eivar/32/178879_2.png) [@Eivar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Eivar)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2019, 3:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-november-2019/205439/60 "2019-12-13T03:13:56Z")
> [@Scoots\_Choco](#): > > I’m sure people will be okay with SIXTEEN YEARS worth of progress wiped away just because you feel like you should be able to “catch up”. He’s right, Sammy. I want my every death from nearly sixteen years (those that didn’t get wiped pre-Kali at least), to earn me a damned Frozen Corpse monument. No wiping allowed! 😃 [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-november-2019/205439.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-november-2019/205439.md?page=4)