# Monthly Economic Report - October 2019 **URL:** \ **Category:** Dev Blogs\ **Tags:** mer, official, devblog\ **Created:** [November 6, 2019, 1:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-october-2019/199551 "2019-11-06T13:09:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![CCP\_Dopamine](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ccp_dopamine/32/280835_2.png) [@CCP\_Dopamine](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/CCP_Dopamine)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2019, 1:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-october-2019/199551/1 "2019-11-06T13:09:13Z")
Greetings, The [Monthly Economic Report for October 2019](https://www.eveonline.com/article/q0k0bo/monthly-economic-report-october-2019) is now available for everyone! You can download all the raw data used in the report by following [this link](https://web.ccpgamescdn.com/aws/community/EVEOnline_MER_Oct2019.zip). Have a good day! ---
**Author:** ![Dragos\_Highwind](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dragos_highwind/32/170517_2.png) [@Dragos\_Highwind](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dragos_Highwind)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2019, 3:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-october-2019/199551/2 "2019-11-06T15:35:01Z")
So can we have that BO back already? ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/9/3/9303b7e3af5433513c4ebbe0a61cfe730f5085ed.png) ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/9/6/96dd5bb9444c2eea1deb3673b1f9a0bef4967177.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2019, 3:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-october-2019/199551/3 "2019-11-06T15:43:29Z")
If only someone had told them that any gains against faucets were illusory at best and only reflected reduced activity, not structural fixes. But, you know, Hilmar’s right, clearly no-one is smart enough to predict what would happen. ---
**Author:** ![Dragos\_Highwind](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dragos_highwind/32/170517_2.png) [@Dragos\_Highwind](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dragos_Highwind)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2019, 3:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-october-2019/199551/4 "2019-11-06T15:44:49Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > If only someone had told them that any gains against faucets were illusory at best and only reflected reduced activity, not structural fixes. Reduced botting\afk ratting activity **is** a structural fix. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2019, 3:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-october-2019/199551/5 "2019-11-06T15:46:26Z")
No, it’s not. Reduced activity is reduced activity. That’s like claiming the way to ‘fix’ EVE is to shut it off. ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2019, 3:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-october-2019/199551/6 "2019-11-06T15:50:24Z")
Maybe the should stop caring about pure activity metrics and how to push more psychological manipulative stuff to artificially increase it and more about making the game fun to play again. ---
**Author:** ![Dragos\_Highwind](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dragos_highwind/32/170517_2.png) [@Dragos\_Highwind](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dragos_Highwind)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2019, 3:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-october-2019/199551/7 "2019-11-06T15:53:42Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > No, it’s not. Reduced activity is reduced activity. That’s like claiming the way to ‘fix’ EVE is to shut it off. Reducing unhealthy activity is not the same thing as pure reducing activity. Easily raking in isk with little to no risk of destruction is detrimental to the server as a whole. If those players stop playing the game it’s not a detriment to the game and it’s more likely they will adapt. The game is arguably failing because of an over abundance of resources. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2019, 4:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-october-2019/199551/8 "2019-11-06T16:13:32Z")
Reducing unhealthy activity in a focused, targeted way is not the same as a pure reduction in activity, no. However, that’s not what happened, and it’s not what scattershot approaches like ‘we don’t, and shouldn’t try, to predict what will happen’ gets you. Blackout didn’t just reduce botting/afk behavior in null. In fact, a lot of the bots (as CCP’s acknowledged) just moved to HS. In null, BO reduced _overall_ activity. That’s why, after the initial surge of destruction in the last half of July, August showed a consistent tapering-off on _all_ forms of activity. Industrial production doesn’t directly correlate to mining. There are _massive_ stockpiles built up all over the place, and production could continue just fine for a while with a reduced mining load. That’s what happened in August 2017, for example. Just reducing activity—which is all BO did—doesn’t address the afk behaviors. It doesn’t really curb the botting. Even the much-touted ‘we banned 4k botters in a single month’ only represented a return to the rolling monthly average after an abnormally _low_ number of bans the month before. Structural fixes, actual, real structural fixes, have to be changes that _encourage_ activity by actual people, at the keyboard, with an eye toward balance in [risk/effort v reward/fun]. ---
**Author:** ![Andre\_Matar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/andre_matar/32/296078_2.png) [@Andre\_Matar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Andre_Matar)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2019, 4:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-october-2019/199551/9 "2019-11-06T16:19:11Z")
Why is the isk delta negative? Faucets \> Sinks. ---
**Author:** ![Dragos\_Highwind](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dragos_highwind/32/170517_2.png) [@Dragos\_Highwind](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dragos_Highwind)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2019, 4:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-october-2019/199551/10 "2019-11-06T16:19:31Z")
Bots moving to HS not only improves visibility of them, it also drastically decrease their isk generation. - Win Industry had to chew at the stockpile built up rather than a continuing influx. - Win The reduction in other activities during this time period is because once players didn’t want to adapt they just docked up an waited for the BO to go away. If BO going away wasn’t an option they would adapt or leave. Do you not think these same people won’t leave the game when a structural change is put in place that dramatically increases their odds of destruction or dramatically reduces their payout? ---
**Author:** ![Ms\_Steak](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ms_steak/32/168834_2.png) [@Ms\_Steak](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ms_Steak)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2019, 4:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-october-2019/199551/11 "2019-11-06T16:20:12Z")
> [@Andre\_Matar](#): > > Why is the isk delta negative? You should open an actual report and read the small text below that graph explaining what “Active ISK delta” is. ---
**Author:** ![Andre\_Matar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/andre_matar/32/296078_2.png) [@Andre\_Matar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Andre_Matar)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2019, 4:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-october-2019/199551/12 "2019-11-06T16:21:12Z")
Nope. Just tell me. Edit: I got it. Sinks and Faucets do not mean all sinks and all faucets. ---
**Author:** ![Dragos\_Highwind](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dragos_highwind/32/170517_2.png) [@Dragos\_Highwind](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dragos_Highwind)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2019, 4:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-october-2019/199551/13 "2019-11-06T16:24:08Z")
Isk delta is the super vague incoming and outgoing of isk from things like GM activities or players going inactive or re-activating. ---
**Author:** ![Ms\_Steak](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ms_steak/32/168834_2.png) [@Ms\_Steak](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ms_Steak)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2019, 4:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-october-2019/199551/14 "2019-11-06T16:26:09Z")
@CCP_Dopamine The Faucet: Commodities graph lacks “Sleeper Components”… again. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2019, 4:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-october-2019/199551/15 "2019-11-06T16:28:56Z")
> [@Andre\_Matar](#): > > Why is the isk delta negative? Faucets \> Sinks. ISK delta represents the total amount of ISK in the system. When players go inactive long enough, they come out of the tracking, which means all of the ISK in their wallets is removed. **That** is the ISK delta. > [@Dragos\_Highwind](#): > > Bots moving to HS not only improves visibility of them No, it really doesn’t. They’re just more missioners, doing their thing. When your content is all static and immutable, players engaging with it are just as predictable as a script. > [@Dragos\_Highwind](#): > > Industry had to chew at the stockpile built up rather than a continuing influx. - Win Except it _didn’t_. Industry dropped off, _too_. Because everything did. Notice that my example was _two years ago_. Demand hasn’t been strong, and it continues to not be strong. > [@Dragos\_Highwind](#): > > Do you not think these same people won’t leave the game when a structural change is put in place that dramatically increases their odds of destruction or dramatically reduces their payout? I think that quite a lot of us have reduced our activity not because the BO reduced income or increased risk, but because the whole ‘Era of Chaos’ was CCP standing up on a table screaming ‘WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT WE’RE DOING, WHY THE HELL WOULD YOU INVEST TIME AND EFFORT WITH US RIGHT NOW?!?!’ We’re _cautiously_ optimistic that Rise has been given the green light to get things _done_, and we generally trust him to have a clue, as he’s shown to have one in the past. But right now, we’re at ‘let’s see some return before we re-invest’. ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2019, 4:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-october-2019/199551/16 "2019-11-06T16:29:05Z")
> [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > and more about making the game fun to play again. Like what? ---
**Author:** ![slobo\_slobovitch](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/slobo_slobovitch/32/170220_2.png) [@slobo\_slobovitch](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/slobo_slobovitch)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2019, 4:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-october-2019/199551/17 "2019-11-06T16:36:33Z")
> [@Dragos\_Highwind](#): > > Industry had to chew at the stockpile built up rather than a continuing influx. - Win You couldent be more wrong bout this. I can tell you as a manufacturer that BA only lowered people willing to buy stuff, not the stuff being manufactured, nor the stockpiles. In sense blackout increased the stockpiles and the influx of items. You can confirm this by looking at the “manufacturing” sink in the mer, all the movements are within normal moves from month to month. ---
**Author:** ![Rhayn\_Rowe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rhayn_rowe/32/405925_2.png) [@Rhayn\_Rowe](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rhayn_Rowe)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2019, 4:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-october-2019/199551/18 "2019-11-06T16:42:41Z")
What’s up with these weird downticks after the spike following the blackout lift? There’s downticks in most graphs. Is it just the market finally catching up with the blackout? [https://webimg.ccpgamescdn.com/7lhcm73ukv5p/2Sv32jqZObHtUWUYNG5UKa/385efaae643dbb978576ba4e156b76bd/9b\_isk.float.3.png](https://webimg.ccpgamescdn.com/7lhcm73ukv5p/2Sv32jqZObHtUWUYNG5UKa/385efaae643dbb978576ba4e156b76bd/9b_isk.float.3.png) ---
**Author:** ![ChronoLynx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chronolynx/32/288421_2.png) [@ChronoLynx](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ChronoLynx)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2019, 4:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-october-2019/199551/19 "2019-11-06T16:44:44Z")
@ [CCP Dopamine](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/CCP_Dopamine), I think your numbers are seriously flawed in regards to amount of ISK imported and exported from Cache. I personally assisted with the evac of the region for both WC and VINDI and would estimate based off of my freighting services that more easily more than 2T left the region that I either touched or watched leave during the ops. ---
**Author:** ![Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zhalyd_lyehin/32/358574_2.png) [@Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zhalyd_Lyehin)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2019, 4:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-october-2019/199551/20 "2019-11-06T16:52:24Z")
> [@Dragos\_Highwind](#): > > Reducing unhealthy activity is not the same thing as pure reducing activity. Bots were already adapting to the changes. The only group that was worse off were actual players who had a harder time without proper compensation. And PVPers were already complaining hard that they wouldn’t find targets anymore. Nothing was fixed with Blackout. But it should have lasted longer anyway to drive CCP into ruin. Besides: [https://webimg.ccpgamescdn.com/7lhcm73ukv5p/3JgdDuHHV044aGaUK62yk0/88a4b15501a40df170038fcabd593e25/0\_produced.vs.destroyed.png](https://webimg.ccpgamescdn.com/7lhcm73ukv5p/3JgdDuHHV044aGaUK62yk0/88a4b15501a40df170038fcabd593e25/0_produced.vs.destroyed.png) Produced is still down, Mined is still down. But destroyed is up again. Blackout made all of them go down, but now Destroyed is going up again. I wonder about that. (sure, to some extend it is Detorid but that is not all by a long shot since regions like Cobalt Edge, Vale of the Silent, Period Basis, Branch and others are up in destruction as well.) Do you also want to know what a real issue is? ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/f/4f0165c622bf8bc130805d36c7f0fd2688955279.png) 1.9T ISK of Broker Fees remaining in the economy. But CCP doesn’t want to fix that. [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-october-2019/199551.md?page=2)