# Monthly Economic Report - September 2020 **URL:** \ **Category:** Dev Blogs\ **Tags:** mer, official\ **Created:** [October 19, 2020, 3:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-september-2020/274627 "2020-10-19T15:11:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Flanidia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/flanidia/32/264223_2.png) [@Flanidia](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Flanidia)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2020, 7:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-september-2020/274627/21 "2020-10-19T19:21:29Z")
By your preference for the current CCP approach versus going after the faucets : ) ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2020, 7:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-september-2020/274627/22 "2020-10-19T19:22:01Z")
> [@Flanidia](#): > > By your preference for the current CCP approach Where did I say this? What is it with kids today making these assumptions? Not liking your proposal does not constitute preference for CCP’s. I hope you realize that. ---
**Author:** ![Dierlana\_Vixx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dierlana_vixx/32/230426_2.png) [@Dierlana\_Vixx](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dierlana_Vixx)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2020, 7:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-september-2020/274627/23 "2020-10-19T19:34:21Z")
Can someone describe the problem CCP is trying to fix, or point me to the original post/discussion? Though I guess there are several problems that need fixing, I just see how what they are doing will help. Maybe in the long term, but in the short term, they may create more problems. ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2020, 7:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-september-2020/274627/24 "2020-10-19T19:40:43Z")
CCP posted this a while back. > **[The EVE Online Ecosystem Outlook | EVE Online](https://www.eveonline.com/article/q80qky/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook)** > > The state of EVE’s ecosystem and plans for the future. ---
**Author:** ![Dierlana\_Vixx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dierlana_vixx/32/230426_2.png) [@Dierlana\_Vixx](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dierlana_Vixx)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2020, 7:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-september-2020/274627/25 "2020-10-19T19:47:55Z")
Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![Alfonzor\_Dilapidus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alfonzor_dilapidus/32/395834_2.png) [@Alfonzor\_Dilapidus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alfonzor_Dilapidus)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2020, 8:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-september-2020/274627/26 "2020-10-19T20:18:01Z")
I think the idea of trying to make the production and destruction lines meet is a good goal in principle. But, is the stat really measuring it right? What about people who leave the game with a bunch of stuff? Or defunct corps with assets? What about all those powered down POS’s everywhere in WHs? Seems like there are a lot of situations where something would be out of circulation, but not really ‘destroyed.’ If we’re trying to make the lines meet, I think those things should be counted as destruction. Plus I’m not entire sure how we should think of hording. E.g., there are players and corps who buy 400 Drakes just as a way to save their money that is inflation proof. Those aren’t really in circulation either. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2020, 8:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-september-2020/274627/27 "2020-10-19T20:34:13Z")
> [@Avio\_Yaken](#): > > What would I need to do do boost the numbers for my region of Venal. Mine more, refine that stuff into more stuff, build more stuff in the region with it. Then trade that stuff within the region. ---
**Author:** ![Avio\_Yaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/avio_yaken/32/494184_2.png) [@Avio\_Yaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Avio_Yaken)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2020, 8:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-september-2020/274627/28 "2020-10-19T20:37:40Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > Then trade that stuff within the region. So If someone bought at hing, would the price it sold for be added to the stats? Or partial value based on the galactic average be given towards the stat ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2020, 8:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-september-2020/274627/29 "2020-10-19T20:59:25Z")
> [@Avio\_Yaken](#): > > So If someone bought at hing, would the price it sold for be added to the stats? Or partial value based on the galactic average be given towards the stat My understand goes as follows: When someone mines ore/gas/moongoo etc, the tooltip value of that ore/gas/moongoo gets added into the numbers that produce the [Total Mining Value by Region](https://webimg.ccpgamescdn.com/7lhcm73ukv5p/4HWvRgEksmTlnoAGG7eXSY/f83538f0b18f8b1b301a6d9bd2ebc625/3_mining.value.by.region.png_w=900&fm=jpg&fl=progressive) chart. When someone reprocesses that ore/goo, or uses minerals/goo/gas/salvage, literally _anything_ in any kind of Industry job, the tooltip value of the resulting output gets added into the numbers that produce the [Total Production Value by Region](https://webimg.ccpgamescdn.com/7lhcm73ukv5p/2RsswrZk3HBpTc67YlyGb0/000b6a46a40ceb9f43915e49ca1c6715/4_production.value.by.region.png_w=900&fm=jpg&fl=progressive) chart. This means that if you have ore worth 10 ISK, and it reprocesses into minerals worth 15 ISK, and _then_ you use those minerals to make ammo worth 85 ISK, you’ve added 10 to the Mining chart, and 100 to the Production chart. If you then ship that ammo from Venal to Jita, _that_ then adds the 85 ISK as either a positive (export) or negative (import) to the numbers for the [Trade Balance by Region](https://webimg.ccpgamescdn.com/7lhcm73ukv5p/5hPfyig3yDGY7RzECRu14P/b1a3e3afcbdc3e7cf3550e909e2e1122/5a_trade.balance.by.region.png_w=900&fm=jpg&fl=progressive), [EVE Online Economy: Imports & Exports by Region](https://webimg.ccpgamescdn.com/7lhcm73ukv5p/4yKemzNqbwBjvXZo1wIqnM/124c4f85ae9b4d2711c1b184ce0ca4cf/7_imports_exports.png_w=900&fm=jpg&fl=progressive), and [EVE Online Economy: Net Exports by Region](https://webimg.ccpgamescdn.com/7lhcm73ukv5p/r9XiXrx72OdrJM8LAraDK/5ec0cc16d808260e9e1f881fdcbaa844/8_net_exports.png_w=900&fm=jpg&fl=progressive) charts. So exporting that ammo from Venal to Jita means Venal’s totals go up by 85 ISK, and the Forge’s totals go down by 85 ISK. Incidentally, this doesn’t just apply to cargo. This applies to _everything_. So if your empty JF uses the last of its fuel jumping from Venal into the Forge, then that JF’s value gets added to the ‘import’ value of the Forge (ie: a negative value on the trade balance). If it later jumps back out again (or gates into the Citadel, for example), that value moves in the other direction. But if it blows up while it’s in the Forge… then it’s still considered to have been a trade good that was imported. If you _sell_ that ammo in Venal instead… then forget the 85 ISK entirely, because that’s the tooltip value. So let’s say you sell it for 50,000 ISK. (Hell of a profit, good job!) That 50,000 ISK gets added to Venal’s numbers for the [Total Market Trade Value by Region](https://webimg.ccpgamescdn.com/7lhcm73ukv5p/60dD44izYD72Wld0gOMfSF/f57c31f38ba817e0802b7635f930f3c3/6_trade.value.by.region.png_w=900&fm=jpg&fl=progressive) chart. _Contract_ it, though, and it doesn’t care what you’re charging. Instead, we’re back to the tooltip value (because otherwise, 0 ISK contracts would register as 0 ISK value) for the [Total Contracts Trade Value by Region](https://webimg.ccpgamescdn.com/7lhcm73ukv5p/26JSUMELQ3XswN2BaX5gpB/11582b6ec483943f1563221ceb9b4df4/6a_contract.trade.value.by.region_bar.png_w=900&fm=jpg&fl=progressive) chart. At least, that’s my understanding of how the numbers are produced. EDIT: Notice that this means the ‘Mining’, ‘Production’ and ‘Trade Balance’ numbers are _completely divorced_ from the Market Trade Value numbers. They’re all pegged to the ‘official’ value of all of those aggregate items, while the last one represents the real amount of ISK changing hands. ---
**Author:** ![Fish\_Hunter](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fish_hunter/32/248430_2.png) [@Fish\_Hunter](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fish_Hunter)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2020, 12:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-september-2020/274627/30 "2020-10-20T00:13:42Z")
You’re right, a Huge material and isk sink is players going inactive and EVE is a game where players want to accumulate things as they play so really the production should always be much higher than destruction. ---
**Author:** ![RealEchnaton](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/realechnaton/32/243119_2.png) [@RealEchnaton](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/RealEchnaton)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2020, 5:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-september-2020/274627/31 "2020-10-20T05:02:38Z")
simple question. Why are wormholes not included in the report. Will nothing be mined or destroyed there ? ---
**Author:** ![RealEchnaton](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/realechnaton/32/243119_2.png) [@RealEchnaton](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/RealEchnaton)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2020, 5:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-september-2020/274627/32 "2020-10-20T05:13:16Z")
> Why won’t CCP nerf NPC bounties? They ar indirect nerfed. If qith the last Mining changes, the cost of minerals and ships will be increaed, but NPC-bounties not, the inflation works like a NPC-Bounty Nerf. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2020, 5:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-september-2020/274627/33 "2020-10-20T05:20:06Z")
> [@RealEchnaton](#): > > Why are wormholes not included in the report. J-space hasn’t historically been included in the MER because prior to citadels, the amount of actual _production_ going on in j-space was minimal. That’s not to say it wasn’t happening, mind, but apparently, it was really hard to track POS production and reactions. So they tracked those items when they came into k-space as part of the trade balance and then normal market activity. Similarly, because sleepers don’t give bounties, there wasn’t any advantage to putting the j-space regions onto the MER for ‘Bounties’. It’ll be interesting to see if they include the new Trig region in the October MER… or if those systems will, in effect, remain in their former regions and be tracked as part of those. And if they _do_ put T-space into the MER, then there’s really no excuse not to include J-space, since citadel-based production is clearly something they can track well. ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2020, 7:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-september-2020/274627/34 "2020-10-20T07:24:27Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > Similarly, because sleepers don’t give bounties, there wasn’t any advantage to putting the j-space regions onto the MER for ‘Bounties’. To give perspective on this and why CCP stopped showing this, here is the graph for bounties from the September 2017 MER. ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/7/0/707c005921fd634d0d452090d413738548f6a26a.png) You’ll notice very quickly that the information get regarding the Bounties in Wormholes is basically meaningless compared to the rest (it’s so small that it registers as 0.0% compared to the other). The Sleep Components you see on the left hand side have since been merged with the rest in the “Commodities” category of the overall Sinks and Faucets graph. ---
**Author:** ![RealEchnaton](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/realechnaton/32/243119_2.png) [@RealEchnaton](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/RealEchnaton)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2020, 7:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-september-2020/274627/35 "2020-10-20T07:57:27Z")
I asked for destruction and mining, not bounty. I can understand , that bounty has no meaning, also production, even if I thinbk, it could be interesting for T3. But destruction ? also Mining with difference before and after the last Ore changes, would be interesting. ---
**Author:** ![RealEchnaton](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/realechnaton/32/243119_2.png) [@RealEchnaton](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/RealEchnaton)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2020, 8:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-september-2020/274627/36 "2020-10-20T08:31:29Z")
I see, that the rawdata is included, so I load the data in a MariaDB table. According ISK\_destroyed, 3 W-Regions in the Top 10 iskDestroyed regionName 655862291.86 Sinq Laison 588674288.95 Omist 561987659.5 D-R00017 546993500.33 Curse 445986900.77 E-R00029 358169786.98 ADR01 317367657.68 Branch 294135354.55 E-R00027 284762168.83 ADR03 276874101.63 Devoid ---
**Author:** ![Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zhalyd_lyehin/32/358574_2.png) [@Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zhalyd_Lyehin)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2020, 9:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-september-2020/274627/37 "2020-10-20T09:56:56Z")
Hardly any money. You have to offer your offices for 0 ISK to be competitive. The ISK amount to NPC is only that high because the system is based on a rational approach that predates the current CCP by 10 years. If NPC used the same system Citadels use now (unlimited slots, no cost scaling), the office sink would look very different. ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2020, 10:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-september-2020/274627/38 "2020-10-20T10:47:51Z")
I would pay ISK to be able to dock in 3-QYVE ---
**Author:** ![Merlin\_Darkstone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merlin_darkstone/32/256191_2.png) [@Merlin\_Darkstone](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merlin_Darkstone)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2020, 11:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-september-2020/274627/39 "2020-10-20T11:03:41Z")
I would pay all my ISK, PLEX and some more to be able to read chat again… Who cares of economy when UI is broken? ---
**Author:** ![Pertti\_Perusheppu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pertti_perusheppu/32/244021_2.png) [@Pertti\_Perusheppu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pertti_Perusheppu)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2020, 11:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-september-2020/274627/40 "2020-10-20T11:09:29Z")
@FC_Convict, why is total destroyed value in Domain less than it is Niarja alone in zkb in September? 🙂 ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/0/9/090034fca1706535e73402cd059029a0ba29d0bc.png) > **[Niarja | System](https://zkillboard.com/system/30003504/stats/)** > > Niarja: 195,631 ships destroyed and 0 ships lost. It’s around 700B in the report, and 1.91T in zkb, and all the kills aren’t even present there. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-september-2020/274627.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-september-2020/274627.md?page=3)