# Moon Mineral Distribution Update **URL:** \ **Category:** Dev Blogs\ **Tags:** official, devblog\ **Created:** [March 27, 2020, 2:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/moon-mineral-distribution-update/228099 "2020-03-27T14:01:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 30
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2020, 11:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/moon-mineral-distribution-update/228099/595 "2020-03-29T23:29:14Z")
> [@Shamus\_Carmicheal](#): > > from what i can tell its going to be extremely hard to produce ships after this change You do know 90% of minerals used to be sourced in highsec before active moon mining etc right. Plenty of highsec belts don’t get touched. ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2020, 11:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/moon-mineral-distribution-update/228099/596 "2020-03-29T23:34:24Z")
Yep, I have several high sec belts all to myself every single day, plus you can mine in emerging conduits all day long in high sec… ---
**Author:** ![Breyghun](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/breyghun/32/248844_2.png) [@Breyghun](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Breyghun)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2020, 12:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/moon-mineral-distribution-update/228099/597 "2020-03-30T00:57:34Z")
I’ve played the game for a very long time and so this comes from experiences of how the game was as well as what I can guess as to where it might be going - 1. Providing NULSEC needs resources they cannot produce in their own Region of the galaxy they will need to either go and fight to get it, or generate ISK to buy it. 2. This in turn should mean they will need to generate ISK by carrying some resources to where manufacturers will typically buy it. This is likely to be HISEC but with the new trading rules may not necessarily be Jita. 3. Scarcity in HIGHSEC and NULSEC for some resources should lead to specialization. 4. Increasing supply and demand for outputs from R4 moons in HIGHSEC should create a very specialized niche mining opportunity to add to the more traditional low end ores new miners typically mined in the past. 5.Arkonor may vanish from HIGHSEC but NULSEC entities will need to trade it for the ISK to buy rocks and minerals they don’t have in “safe” space. 1. I would like to see Jackpot sites that spawn high end Ore so that the larger HIGHSEC entities have an opportunity to get a big payday from time to time. 2. CCP have said they will monitor the outcome from their changes. I hope that Athanor’s will still be profitable to run in HIGHSEC. Success will depend on successfully re-balancing resources and encouraging more trade movement throughout the Galaxy. I would love to see NULSEC Alliance convoys taking gates back and forth to Empire. ---
**Author:** ![Xialis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xialis/32/317767_2.png) [@Xialis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xialis)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2020, 3:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/moon-mineral-distribution-update/228099/598 "2020-03-30T03:05:39Z")
Hopefully some of those things come to pass. There should be multiple resources that are region specific, trade should be going everywhere. Unfortunately, JFs make it far too safe and easy to transport large amounts of material. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_Deveron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/max_deveron/32/245870_2.png) [@Max\_Deveron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Max_Deveron)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2020, 4:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/moon-mineral-distribution-update/228099/599 "2020-03-30T04:46:34Z")
and everyone has alts… Gawd you are so stupid. Maybe you are the one that needs to shut the hole before inserting foot. ---
**Author:** ![Dragon\_Savron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dragon_savron/32/187292_2.png) [@Dragon\_Savron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dragon_Savron)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2020, 6:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/moon-mineral-distribution-update/228099/600 "2020-03-30T06:23:40Z")
Adding moon mining in HS in the first place was a BIG mistake. ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2020, 6:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/moon-mineral-distribution-update/228099/601 "2020-03-30T06:30:08Z")
If they had added it in such a way it encouraged miners to belong to war targetable corps, it really wouldn’t have been any mistake at all High sec is not a newbie area, it deserves to have good things also. Sure, it shouldn’t get pure R64 moons, but giving it moon mining in general is not a mistake. ---
**Author:** ![Dragon\_Savron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dragon_savron/32/187292_2.png) [@Dragon\_Savron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dragon_Savron)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2020, 6:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/moon-mineral-distribution-update/228099/602 "2020-03-30T06:38:04Z")
Nobody expect afk orca 24/7 on null ore in HS. Is this a problem from moon or WD rules idk. ---
**Author:** ![Dragon\_Savron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dragon_savron/32/187292_2.png) [@Dragon\_Savron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dragon_Savron)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2020, 6:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/moon-mineral-distribution-update/228099/603 "2020-03-30T06:51:09Z")
Next change will be isk printing PVE I hope, make something more interesting less bot friendly / caps friendly (Something that you need to be focus on). ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2020, 6:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/moon-mineral-distribution-update/228099/604 "2020-03-30T06:53:05Z")
Uh, afk orca on null ore doesn’t happen either. Well maybe if someone puts a single orca in the field. But A: The fields just aren’t that big. B: AFK Orca’s have insanely low yield. Like less than Ventures. ---
**Author:** ![Dragon\_Savron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dragon_savron/32/187292_2.png) [@Dragon\_Savron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dragon_Savron)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2020, 7:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/moon-mineral-distribution-update/228099/605 "2020-03-30T07:03:59Z")
Trust me all the 0.5 near where I live is a joke. Rougly 30/40 Orca per systeme that can mine Spodumain / Arkonor or anything else. ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2020, 7:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/moon-mineral-distribution-update/228099/606 "2020-03-30T07:04:55Z")
Ok, and? The fields simply aren’t that big, they could strip it in the same time with 10 Covetors and a single Orca even if the 30 Orca’s aren’t AFK. If they are AFK then the Covetors are like 5 times faster. ---
**Author:** ![Dragon\_Savron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dragon_savron/32/187292_2.png) [@Dragon\_Savron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dragon_Savron)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2020, 7:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/moon-mineral-distribution-update/228099/607 "2020-03-30T07:09:06Z")
You don’t get me there. Think how many 0.5 systeme exist and tell me this have NO impact at all. Also use your brain for a sec, what’s your main threat when you mine in 0.5 Ganker. How do you avoid Ganker ? Fly something stupidly tanky that is not worth ganking. Also you underestimate orca mining capability. ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2020, 7:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/moon-mineral-distribution-update/228099/608 "2020-03-30T07:11:39Z")
> [@Dragon\_Savron](#): > > How do you avoid Ganker ? Be done before they arrive. They aren’t going zooming around most moon fields looking for targets. > [@Dragon\_Savron](#): > > Also you underestimate orca mining capability. A full speed orca mines slower than a retriever does. Before it gets boosts. After boosts it’s not even a contest. And this is assuming full speed, not afk where they split one drone per rock and loose most of their yield to travel time. > [@Dragon\_Savron](#): > > have NO impact at all. I never said it had no impact at all. But it doesn’t need to have no impact at all. There is nothing wrong with highsec having an impact on things. It is an area of space just like the other three areas are, and should impact on things. ---
**Author:** ![Dragon\_Savron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dragon_savron/32/187292_2.png) [@Dragon\_Savron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dragon_Savron)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2020, 7:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/moon-mineral-distribution-update/228099/609 "2020-03-30T07:17:22Z")
> [@Nevyn\_Auscent](#): > > A full speed orca mines slower than a retriever does. Before it gets boosts. After boosts it’s not even a contest. And this is assuming full speed, not afk where they split one drone per rock and loose most of their yield to travel time. Who care you are afk having moon ore cargo the size of Russia most of them just afk 5 hours get back and restart the cycle again it’s not about efficiency it’s about time/quantity and it’s way more worth than you might think. ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2020, 7:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/moon-mineral-distribution-update/228099/610 "2020-03-30T07:20:02Z")
The point I’m making is that you are pointing at these orca swarms as an issue. If you don’t like them just go in and mine the ore from under them while they are afk. Bump them clear of the field and loot their disconnected drones. There are plenty of measures even before them being targetable by a wardec, which I’m in favour of having to belong to the corp/alliance owning the structure to safely mine the ore, so that you can wardec these orca swarms also if you don’t like them. However trying to claim that highsec isn’t allowed to have an impact, that’s just silly. ---
**Author:** ![Dragon\_Savron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dragon_savron/32/187292_2.png) [@Dragon\_Savron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dragon_Savron)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2020, 7:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/moon-mineral-distribution-update/228099/611 "2020-03-30T07:31:30Z")
I’m not saying that HS isn’t allowed to have Any impact ( You can make more money in HS than anywhere else when you know what to do and i do hope that HS deserve a bit more than that) the only things about [HS AFK Orca] is this : They are almost immune to all threats hidden behind corp not eligible to WD, being immune is not EVE. If some guys want to mine in Covetor Retriver or they T2 variant and get ganked who care they are gankable even Procuror and Skiff can be target but the isk lost for an Orca kill is not worth at all that why a lot of them are flying these day and can afk 10 hours without the risk of being killed. It’s not about “NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE IMPACT” it’s about it’s not EVE and it’s not healty at all. ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2020, 7:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/moon-mineral-distribution-update/228099/612 "2020-03-30T07:32:56Z")
Ok, but that’s nothing to do with High sec having moons. That’s to do with the AFK ability of Orcas, which I’ve made suggestions about how to nerf their AFK ability without impacting their active ability. And to do with the ability to mine moons while hiding in alt corps, which I’ve also suggested fixes for. P.S. Edit. Orca’s have a far worse Isk/EHP ratio than Procurers do. Oh, Edit 2. And your main complaint has already been solved because CCP are already removing all the Null ores anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2020, 7:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/moon-mineral-distribution-update/228099/613 "2020-03-30T07:36:08Z")
> [@Dragon\_Savron](#): > > for an Orca kill is not worth at all Actually you are complaining that killing orca is not worth for the killer. You don’t care about AFK or anything else, you just claim that any kill should be worth for the ganker. It should not. ganking an AFK procurer in a 1.0 system fit with DC should not be worth it. Orcas are worse in terms of EHP/isk than a procurer. ---
**Author:** ![Dragon\_Savron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dragon_savron/32/187292_2.png) [@Dragon\_Savron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dragon_Savron)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2020, 7:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/moon-mineral-distribution-update/228099/614 "2020-03-30T07:37:06Z")
Moon amplify the effect these orca where manily on ice belt at the time but yes it’s again a shame for player that play the game how it’s meant to be played. 1. Also they use Orca mainly for it’s Cargo. 2. Thx god what about time let’s hope the redistribution process is not rush. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/moon-mineral-distribution-update/228099.md?page=29) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/moon-mineral-distribution-update/228099.md?page=31)