# More nerfs? If i return i'll earn less? enticing **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [December 8, 2021, 8:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/more-nerfs-if-i-return-ill-earn-less-enticing/340781 "2021-12-08T08:37:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2021, 3:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/more-nerfs-if-i-return-ill-earn-less-enticing/340781/82 "2021-12-09T15:33:12Z")
> [@Senyu\_Takashi](#): > > When summed up, an average ore belt will now give you 2/3 of the amount it would given you pre-patch, while being more tedious to mine. Your math is way off. ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2021, 3:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/more-nerfs-if-i-return-ill-earn-less-enticing/340781/83 "2021-12-12T03:01:48Z")
Increase the mining crystal rate to 1800 cubic metres per 180 seconds, declare 1/3 of that to be ‘waste’, and then you are left with 1200 cubic metres per 180 seconds. Er…which is what it was before. But shhhh…just hope nobody notices. ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2021, 3:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/more-nerfs-if-i-return-ill-earn-less-enticing/340781/84 "2021-12-12T03:08:17Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > How long before the first “my rocks got ganked” post? There was no gank…but there was a miracle. Water was turned into wine…and then to double the miracle it was turned back into water. All without anyone seeing the divine hand at work. Oh ye of little faith. ---
**Author:** ![Nico\_Christened](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nico_christened/32/439994_2.png) [@Nico\_Christened](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nico_Christened)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2021, 5:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/more-nerfs-if-i-return-ill-earn-less-enticing/340781/85 "2021-12-12T05:19:04Z")
> [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > Increase the mining crystal rate to 1800 cubic metres per 180 seconds, declare 1/3 of that to be ‘waste’, and then you are left with 1200 cubic metres per 180 seconds. > > Er…which is what it was before. But shhhh…just hope nobody notices. Yep. And they call it age of prosperity…so over it. I think it’s time for a leadership change at the upper levels to be honest. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2021, 11:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/more-nerfs-if-i-return-ill-earn-less-enticing/340781/86 "2021-12-12T11:47:55Z")
What? ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2021, 11:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/more-nerfs-if-i-return-ill-earn-less-enticing/340781/87 "2021-12-12T11:51:44Z")
If you increase the yield from 1200m3 to 1800m3…but then make 1/3 of that ‘waste’…you’ve basically turned 5 loaves and 2 fishes into…5 loaves and 2 fishes. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2021, 11:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/more-nerfs-if-i-return-ill-earn-less-enticing/340781/88 "2021-12-12T11:53:02Z")
I dont speak religion, sorry. But they did state that basic mining wouldnt change and it hasnt. If you use specific gear you get more yield. I dont see the problem. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2021, 12:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/more-nerfs-if-i-return-ill-earn-less-enticing/340781/89 "2021-12-12T12:19:42Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > I dont see the problem. There is none. procurer, strip miners II : A is 21.4m³/s + 37.6% waste B is 26.8 m³/s + 64% waste With new orca boosts it’s +80% (instead of +65%) so boosted A is 38.5 m³/s +37.6% waste B is 48.2 m³/s +64% waste Also 5 drones are +8/5 m³/s +34% waste So CCP realized the barges where ■■■■ before and finally gave them correct stats. Still some issues of aligning but at least they can fit a prop mod and/or tank. In all cases the waste (+64%) is over compensated by the increase in ore (+100%) so you mine more, and faster. People who claim otherwise are just plain idiots. Maybe the orca went below the unboosted procurer. Which is fine. I’m glad CCP reverted the idiot patch of nerfing the orca yield, because it would only make gameplay even worse. I however am sad they did not nerf the volume in the roids, along with halving the lasers duration. IMO long-as laser duration is what makes the gameplay bad (along with the previous impossibility to fit a propmod on the barges) ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2022, 12:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/more-nerfs-if-i-return-ill-earn-less-enticing/340781/90 "2022-03-12T12:20:42Z")
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