# Multi boxing in champions of the abyss is wrong **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [July 17, 2020, 12:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/multi-boxing-in-champions-of-the-abyss-is-wrong/255323 "2020-07-17T00:02:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![captwolf](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/captwolf/32/254385_2.png) [@captwolf](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/captwolf)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2020, 12:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/multi-boxing-in-champions-of-the-abyss-is-wrong/255323/1 "2020-07-17T00:02:42Z")
i have been watching twitch with eve players multiboxing the new proving ground. I feel that this is wrong sence it will come down to the top 10 if say 3 ppl multi box and are in the top 10 sence they use the same char each time then 3 ppl have just taken 6 spots . if 5 ppl make it then you dont have 10 winners you have 5 . its awsome these ppl are good enough to pull that off but i though it was so ppl could play together not solo on 2 accouts. ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2020, 12:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/multi-boxing-in-champions-of-the-abyss-is-wrong/255323/2 "2020-07-17T00:06:39Z")
You are free to play together…and you will have an advantage over solo MB’ers so…enjoy! ---
**Author:** ![captwolf](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/captwolf/32/254385_2.png) [@captwolf](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/captwolf)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2020, 12:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/multi-boxing-in-champions-of-the-abyss-is-wrong/255323/3 "2020-07-17T00:13:21Z")
so if 5 ppl win 10 spots you would be ok with that. ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2020, 12:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/multi-boxing-in-champions-of-the-abyss-is-wrong/255323/4 "2020-07-17T00:17:58Z")
If you can’t beat a solo player then you don’t deserve to be there in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2020, 12:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/multi-boxing-in-champions-of-the-abyss-is-wrong/255323/5 "2020-07-17T00:26:11Z")
Well… the rankings come down to total number of wins. If there are a few awesome two person teams, they will inevitably lose out to the blurry-eyed multiboxers who can play 20 hours straight. It doesn’t matter if they are second best - quantity over quality. ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2020, 12:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/multi-boxing-in-champions-of-the-abyss-is-wrong/255323/6 "2020-07-17T00:29:44Z")
Isn’t that just a case of the cream rising to the top? Also, EVE is a MB’ing game…for anyone to claim that an event should only be for the 1-account types is being a bit unrealistic. That horse left the barn a long, long time ago… ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2020, 12:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/multi-boxing-in-champions-of-the-abyss-is-wrong/255323/7 "2020-07-17T00:36:46Z")
I’m not complaining. ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2020, 12:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/multi-boxing-in-champions-of-the-abyss-is-wrong/255323/8 "2020-07-17T00:37:54Z")
Sorry that was meant to sound more rhetorical… 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2020, 12:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/multi-boxing-in-champions-of-the-abyss-is-wrong/255323/9 "2020-07-17T00:46:01Z")
It’s incredibly easy to manipulate the FFA events with multiboxing. Limited entrants. If half of them are actually the same person? I mean sure. What could be more EVE than rigging a tournament. But that is at least part of why the AT got dropped I’m sure. So if people do abuse the capability it just makes it less likely for CCP to regard this as a success and keep the proving grounds (wait, is that a good thing if they remove them, quick, rig the whole system to make it pointless and removed) ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2020, 12:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/multi-boxing-in-champions-of-the-abyss-is-wrong/255323/10 "2020-07-17T00:48:53Z")
It’s incredibly easy to manipulate anything… ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2020, 12:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/multi-boxing-in-champions-of-the-abyss-is-wrong/255323/11 "2020-07-17T00:50:58Z")
How can I manipulate CCP into fixing the sun glare? ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2020, 12:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/multi-boxing-in-champions-of-the-abyss-is-wrong/255323/12 "2020-07-17T00:51:29Z")
Flowers and donuts? ---
**Author:** ![Agondray](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/agondray/32/414989_2.png) [@Agondray](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Agondray)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2020, 2:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/multi-boxing-in-champions-of-the-abyss-is-wrong/255323/13 "2020-07-17T02:18:08Z")
well that didnt take long, i did say it would take less than a week before exploited by groups and multiboxers ---
**Author:** ![Phelan\_Kheldian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/phelan_kheldian/32/450826_2.png) [@Phelan\_Kheldian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Phelan_Kheldian)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2020, 2:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/multi-boxing-in-champions-of-the-abyss-is-wrong/255323/14 "2020-07-17T02:38:57Z")
Multi-boxing is normal in Eve. Its accepted by the devs. Its not going to change… Note: I dislike multiboxing too… but its not going to change, so I concentrate on what could. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2020, 2:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/multi-boxing-in-champions-of-the-abyss-is-wrong/255323/15 "2020-07-17T02:41:32Z")
Our goal should be to wreck this as quickly as possible, so that they never ever try to implement something like this again (for another 6 months until they do _anyway_, because this is CCP, and they probably think arenas and Twitch are “down with the kids” or whatever old people think). ---
**Author:** ![Brun\_Warbear](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brun_warbear/32/380353_2.png) [@Brun\_Warbear](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brun_Warbear)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2020, 11:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/multi-boxing-in-champions-of-the-abyss-is-wrong/255323/16 "2020-07-17T11:27:20Z")
The biggest thing the gaming industry should collectively regret is whoring themselves to twitch streamers for cheap publicity. ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2020, 11:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/multi-boxing-in-champions-of-the-abyss-is-wrong/255323/17 "2020-07-17T11:33:51Z")
As an old(er) gamer, I used to agree with that sentiment but then i realized that gaming isn’t just about playing games anymore, it’s entertainment in itself. As that is now true then logically it follows that revenue stream should be explored by any company wanting to improve their products standings…which means actively expanding into Twitch or whatever medium the kids are using these days. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2020, 12:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/multi-boxing-in-champions-of-the-abyss-is-wrong/255323/18 "2020-07-17T12:10:24Z")
I disagree. I know people with young kids, and the kids don’t even _play_ games - they just watch Twitch and that’s it. And what they watch isn’t someone actually _playing_ a game, but someone hopping around and making raspberries on the mic and quoting memes. The actual gaming streams and tournaments are a minor chunk of the total. I have quite a few gamer friends, and almost none of them give a ■■■■ about Twitch; just a handful use it for legit purposes like CS:GO tournaments or watching a particular streamer that they like. But the under-10 crowd is _batshit_ over it. Is there money in it? You bet, but CCP isn’t going to see a single dollar of it, because no one gives two shits about watching two tiny chevrons move about over an outer space background image until one disappears, while some sleepy announcer babbles on like “…and now it seems that Runa is overheating her armor repairer, hoping that the 29.4% increased tank amount will keep her out of structure until the reactive hardener adapts to the new missile types, and…what’s this, in an unprecedented move she’s _recalling_ her drones from her target, I repeat she’s \*recalling her drones, and now turning _on_ her _afterburner_…”? No, it just won’t happen. Kids who tune in to watch some high-pitched European gyrate his character’s ass in Fortnite while making farting Spider-Man references aren’t going to watch EVE tournaments. Nor will the CS:GO players who are trying to be part of the competitive scene, or the millions of South Koreans who religiously watch DotA championships. And we, EVE players, will probably care _least of all_, because we are intimately familiar with how boring EVE “action” is to take part in, let alone observe as a spectator. You know what the worst part is, though? It’s not that they added arenas (in itself, this is something that would actually make a whole lot of sense in the universe of EVE); it’s that they half-assed it so badly. Just like Crimewatch’s idea of bounty-hunting was to make a kill right activate a suspect flag on the target after being purchased by the bounty hunter (how does this even make sense?), their arena idea revolves around teleporting to random instances without any matchmaking whatsoever, no rosters, not being able to bet on match outcomes as an observer, etc. It’s just so plain, boring, and grindy, and it sucks. Yawn. ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2020, 12:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/multi-boxing-in-champions-of-the-abyss-is-wrong/255323/19 "2020-07-17T12:28:16Z")
LOL…valid point(s). I’ve spend a lot of time watching vid/streams on YouTube but never on Twitch…Heck I’ve only recently started using Discord (thanks @Archer_en_Tilavine) so I’m not exactly cutting edge any more…sigh… I just home my retirement home has good high speed… Any how…and yes you are right that CCP half-assed this and just aimed low. Your: > “matchmaking whatsoever, no rosters, not being able to bet on match outcomes as an observer, etc. It’s just so plain, boring, and grindy, and it sucks. Yawn.” …point is perfect…I bet you said the same thing about Hypernet too a while back. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2020, 12:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/multi-boxing-in-champions-of-the-abyss-is-wrong/255323/20 "2020-07-17T12:35:58Z")
> [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](#): > > …point is perfect…I bet you said the same thing about Hypernet too a while back. I was away from the game when it came out, but I probably would have. I did a quick analysis on it when I saw it, and it appears to be CCP’s way of scamming its user base out of money, because as a participant, you average out to a loss because most of the raffles are vastly overpriced, which they _have_ to be, or the players hosting them will take losses themselves if they aren’t (plus labor compensation)…I mean how needlessly convoluted is this? At least when you gamble at a casino and the house takes its cut, you get to enjoy the environment, company, drinks, etc. Here, you’re buying the same products that you can get from the market, except paying _more_… 🤔 [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/multi-boxing-in-champions-of-the-abyss-is-wrong/255323.md?page=2)