# Multiboxers awoxers in pirate faction warfare must be stoped **URL:** \ **Category:** Warfare & Tactics\ **Created:** [February 26, 2025, 6:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/multiboxers-awoxers-in-pirate-faction-warfare-must-be-stoped/477943 "2025-02-26T18:10:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2025, 10:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/multiboxers-awoxers-in-pirate-faction-warfare-must-be-stoped/477943/21 "2025-02-26T22:23:24Z")
> [@Verlyn](#): > > You can’t multibox Alpha accounts… ![Data](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/8/7/2/87253d39a78b40e62ad3af3054d0c401e6f6bbfe.gif) Oh, wait. You were serious? ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2025, 10:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/multiboxers-awoxers-in-pirate-faction-warfare-must-be-stoped/477943/22 "2025-02-26T22:25:34Z")
VPN’s exist. Virtual Machines exist. Players have been multiboxing Alphas for years. And there’s not a damn thing CCP can do about it. That’s why they removed the ability for Alphas to set their safety to red in high sec. They couldn’t do anything about the multiboxed Alpha ganking fleets, so they had to do the next best thing… ---
**Author:** ![Verlyn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/verlyn/32/435163_2.png) [@Verlyn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Verlyn)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2025, 10:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/multiboxers-awoxers-in-pirate-faction-warfare-must-be-stoped/477943/23 "2025-02-26T22:31:29Z")
I mean, sure, from that perspective it is quite useless. What do you propose then ? ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2025, 10:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/multiboxers-awoxers-in-pirate-faction-warfare-must-be-stoped/477943/24 "2025-02-26T22:34:22Z")
Suck it up, note who the awoxers are, and shoot them back. Multiboxing isn’t going away. Ever. Neither are Alphas or the ability to multibox them. The only change they could make that would put a dent in it is to not allow Alphas into Faction Warfare. And I don’t imagine that would go over very well… ---
**Author:** ![Verlyn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/verlyn/32/435163_2.png) [@Verlyn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Verlyn)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2025, 10:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/multiboxers-awoxers-in-pirate-faction-warfare-must-be-stoped/477943/25 "2025-02-26T22:42:43Z")
Ah ok, so you propose nothing then. There are ways to design the game around mboxing mind you. I made one proposal above, about plexes and how they could be redesigned to facilitate engagement of said awoxers and multiboxers, but which you didn’t bother to read or catch on it seems. ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2025, 10:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/multiboxers-awoxers-in-pirate-faction-warfare-must-be-stoped/477943/26 "2025-02-26T22:43:54Z")
> [@Verlyn](#): > > Ah ok, so you propose nothing then. Remove Alphas from Faction Warfare > [@Verlyn](#): > > There are ways to design the game around mboxing mind you. No, there isn’t. This game was made for multiboxing. It’s been a thing since day one. There isn’t a single activity in the entire game that can’t be multiboxed. ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2025, 10:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/multiboxers-awoxers-in-pirate-faction-warfare-must-be-stoped/477943/27 "2025-02-26T22:44:47Z")
> [@QuakeGod](#): > > The only change they could make that would put a dent in it is to not allow Alphas into Faction Warfare. And I don’t imagine that would go over very well… That’s not such a bad idea. Who cares how well it goes over? One more reason to upgrade to Omega. ---
**Author:** ![Gallentoros](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gallentoros/32/451809_2.png) [@Gallentoros](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gallentoros)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2025, 10:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/multiboxers-awoxers-in-pirate-faction-warfare-must-be-stoped/477943/28 "2025-02-26T22:47:08Z")
Guys, come down pls. It’s not about mboxing. It’s about AWOXING = killing fellow soldiers. Maybe the problem can’t be rosolved completely, but at least there were sudjestions provided. Hope that CCP will help us this time. ---
**Author:** ![Verlyn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/verlyn/32/435163_2.png) [@Verlyn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Verlyn)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2025, 10:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/multiboxers-awoxers-in-pirate-faction-warfare-must-be-stoped/477943/29 "2025-02-26T22:47:46Z")
> [@QuakeGod](#): > > Remove Alphas from Faction Warfare Is an idea, but we both know that will never happen. > [@QuakeGod](#): > > No, there isn’t. This game was made for multiboxing. It’s been a thing since day one. There isn’t a single activity in the entire game that can’t be multiboxed. There are ways to design game mechanics inside plexes so as to make mboxed fleets easier targets to hinder, counter and kill. Current “sit and wait” plexing mechanic is part of the problem imo. It is way too simple and basic and spammable by farmers. ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2025, 10:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/multiboxers-awoxers-in-pirate-faction-warfare-must-be-stoped/477943/30 "2025-02-26T22:47:50Z")
You shouldn’t be able to earn a decent (solo) income as an Alpha. This is the case for mining, missions, abyssals, PI, manufacturing, etc. Why we’re making an exception for FW with respect to Alphas is beyond me. ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2025, 10:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/multiboxers-awoxers-in-pirate-faction-warfare-must-be-stoped/477943/31 "2025-02-26T22:51:36Z")
> [@Verlyn](#): > > Current “sit and wait” plexing mechanic is part of the problem imo. It is way too simple and basic and spammable by farmers. On that we agree. You can indeed hinder them, but there’s no way to put a total stop to it. ---
**Author:** ![Verlyn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/verlyn/32/435163_2.png) [@Verlyn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Verlyn)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2025, 10:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/multiboxers-awoxers-in-pirate-faction-warfare-must-be-stoped/477943/32 "2025-02-26T22:52:09Z")
> [@Arthur\_Aihaken](#): > > You shouldn’t be able to earn a decent (solo) income as an Alpha. This is the case for mining, missions, abyssals, PI, manufacturing, etc. Why we’re making an exception for FW with respect to Alphas is beyond me. Maybe lower the LP payout for Alphas drastically, like make it almost worthless. ---
**Author:** ![Verlyn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/verlyn/32/435163_2.png) [@Verlyn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Verlyn)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2025, 10:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/multiboxers-awoxers-in-pirate-faction-warfare-must-be-stoped/477943/33 "2025-02-26T22:54:42Z")
> [@QuakeGod](#): > > On that we agree. You can indeed hinder them, but there’s no way to put a total stop to it. Hence, having more than one such objective and various types of objectives in seperate rooms inside a plex to complete it, is much needed imo, anything to keep the mboxer’s fleet divided and more occupied and providing tempo for hunters. ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2025, 11:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/multiboxers-awoxers-in-pirate-faction-warfare-must-be-stoped/477943/34 "2025-02-26T23:07:49Z")
> [@Verlyn](#): > > Maybe lower the LP payout for Alphas drastically, like make it almost worthless. The way they’ve currently nerfed Alphas is by restricting access to the paywall through skill, ship and agent restrictions. I’m not sure if they could (easily) curb LP or otherwise restrict FW just for Alphas. I really think the simplest solution is to ban Alphas from FW participation. That takes out the last remaining solo income ability. ---
**Author:** ![Verlyn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/verlyn/32/435163_2.png) [@Verlyn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Verlyn)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2025, 11:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/multiboxers-awoxers-in-pirate-faction-warfare-must-be-stoped/477943/35 "2025-02-26T23:12:49Z")
It would certainly fix it, but it would also leave out the newbies from FW. Not sure if that’s something they would politically allow themselves to do. They could restrict plex access down to Novices only for Alphas, maybe. ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2025, 11:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/multiboxers-awoxers-in-pirate-faction-warfare-must-be-stoped/477943/36 "2025-02-26T23:16:25Z")
> [@Arthur\_Aihaken](#): > > I really think the simplest solution is to ban Alphas from FW participation. That takes out the last remaining solo income ability. I felt a great disturbance in the force, as if thousands of Alpha FW plex farmers suddenly cried out in terror, then were silenced… ---
**Author:** ![Verlyn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/verlyn/32/435163_2.png) [@Verlyn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Verlyn)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2025, 11:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/multiboxers-awoxers-in-pirate-faction-warfare-must-be-stoped/477943/37 "2025-02-26T23:18:29Z")
Lmfao I still think it would be better to keep them, but lined up as pvp content by redesign. How about that one : Awoxing ships are hit with a timer (say half an hour) and can’t dock any structure and get hunted out by Navy npc’s (and players) ? The character(s) also gets a militia “killright” with a timer, say a couple of weeks, where he is fully engageable by other militiamen. (He effectively declared war on his own militia …) ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2025, 11:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/multiboxers-awoxers-in-pirate-faction-warfare-must-be-stoped/477943/38 "2025-02-26T23:47:52Z")
> [@QuakeGod](#): > > I felt a great disturbance in the force, as if thousands of Alpha FW plex farmers suddenly cried out in terror, then were silenced… “In space, no one can hear you scream.” ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2025, 11:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/multiboxers-awoxers-in-pirate-faction-warfare-must-be-stoped/477943/39 "2025-02-26T23:50:04Z")
> [@Verlyn](#): > > It would certainly fix it, but it would also leave out the newbies from FW. And eliminates multiboxing FW Alphas. Truthfully, as much as we may abhor multiboxing Omegas - at least they’re paying. Who knows. Maybe most of the AWOX’ing goes away. ---
**Author:** ![SwingFish](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/swingfish/32/449225_2.png) [@SwingFish](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/SwingFish)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2025, 4:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/multiboxers-awoxers-in-pirate-faction-warfare-must-be-stoped/477943/40 "2025-02-27T04:26:56Z")
> [@Gallentoros](#): > > no reason to loose even a tiny stands. Why should I do that? Because you play the game for your own entertainment and not for the leaderboard? plus this can open up a whole new avenue to go down to, this is what makes Eve great. you not have to do anything, you just do what floats your boat. and for some people its far more rewarding making the OP create the Thread right here. essentially they won this fight by making you b$tch about it 😉 [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/multiboxers-awoxers-in-pirate-faction-warfare-must-be-stoped/477943.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/multiboxers-awoxers-in-pirate-faction-warfare-must-be-stoped/477943.md?page=3)