# Mutaplasmids constitute Gambling

**URL:** <https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mutaplasmids-constitute-gambling/100383>\
**Category:** General Discussion\
**Created:** [August 24, 2018, 2:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mutaplasmids-constitute-gambling/100383 "2018-08-24T14:13:46Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\
**Post date:** [August 27, 2018, 11:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mutaplasmids-constitute-gambling/100383/221 "2018-08-27T11:07:14Z")

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That means nothing, except you expect to be answered, but wont do the same in return.

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**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\
**Post date:** [August 27, 2018, 11:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mutaplasmids-constitute-gambling/100383/222 "2018-08-27T11:07:59Z")

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I do what I want. You can keep guessing. 😘

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**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\
**Post date:** [August 27, 2018, 11:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mutaplasmids-constitute-gambling/100383/223 "2018-08-27T11:10:07Z")

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Typical, again.

You asked me, I answered.  
I asked you the exact same, you didnt answer.

That says it all about you and me, both.

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**Author:** ![Butt\_Cigar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/butt_cigar/32/131787_2.png) [@Butt\_Cigar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Butt_Cigar)\
**Post date:** [August 27, 2018, 11:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mutaplasmids-constitute-gambling/100383/224 "2018-08-27T11:11:30Z")

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Lots of words are never coherent or impressive. RMT. 😒

I work in the gambling regulation industry. Legislation is always behind new forms of gambling designed to avoid the traditional definition of gambling. I’m genuinely worried that Eve, along with a number of so-called games, will be banned in my country.

I like to have a bet. I’ve pointed out to our gambling minister that the ban on in-play betting is easily bypassed by installing a vpn client. I demonstrated it live on my own account in a meeting with senior government officials. These idiots were horrified. Change is coming.

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**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\
**Post date:** [August 27, 2018, 11:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mutaplasmids-constitute-gambling/100383/225 "2018-08-27T11:13:48Z")

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> [@Butt\_Cigar](#):
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> Lots of words are never coherent or impressive.

Books/studies/reports must be very difficult for you 😕

They generally have lots of words.

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**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\
**Post date:** [August 27, 2018, 11:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mutaplasmids-constitute-gambling/100383/226 "2018-08-27T11:16:08Z")

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> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#):
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> That says it all about you and me, both.

Hehe, it means you care too much about my ISK. Keep thinking about it. 🕶

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**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\
**Post date:** [August 27, 2018, 11:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mutaplasmids-constitute-gambling/100383/227 "2018-08-27T11:18:09Z")

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> [@Nana\_Skalski](#):
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> > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#):
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> > That says it all about you and me, both.
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> Hehe, it means you care too much about my ISK. Keep thinking about it. 🕶

That logic…

You asked about my isk (I answered).  
I asked about your isk (you refuse to answer).

How do you think I care more about your isk, than you did mine, when we both asked the same? And you did so first, then refused to answer in return?

God, please spare me from such harpies in future.

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**Author:** ![Butt\_Cigar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/butt_cigar/32/131787_2.png) [@Butt\_Cigar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Butt_Cigar)\
**Post date:** [August 27, 2018, 11:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mutaplasmids-constitute-gambling/100383/228 "2018-08-27T11:19:37Z")

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Just another internet random with no knowledge or skill. Stick to memes.

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**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\
**Post date:** [August 27, 2018, 11:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mutaplasmids-constitute-gambling/100383/229 "2018-08-27T11:20:27Z")

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From someone with a name that means a turd, that means about as much as that.

Sorry that too “many words” are a problem for you.

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**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\
**Post date:** [August 27, 2018, 11:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mutaplasmids-constitute-gambling/100383/230 "2018-08-27T11:23:57Z")

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> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#):
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> You asked about my isk (I answered).  
> I asked about your isk (you refuse to answer).

I see you really want something in return, I give you what you like best. You can post indefinitely about that and assess the amount indefinitely. 🕶

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**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\
**Post date:** [August 27, 2018, 11:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mutaplasmids-constitute-gambling/100383/231 "2018-08-27T11:27:56Z")

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OP sunk 40bil on this, per his statement.

Now he tries to argue mutaplasmid system is illegal gambling, and leads to gambling addiction, in a misguided attempt to force CCP to change it so he can re-coup his loss.

Meanwhile, another person that demands/expects answers, refuses to answer the same when asked of her in return.

Plus another that finds “many words” hard to deal with.

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**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\
**Post date:** [August 27, 2018, 11:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mutaplasmids-constitute-gambling/100383/232 "2018-08-27T11:31:32Z")

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I am sure you can add more to that smol litany.  
Dont forget to include your own hard work tho. 😂

IBTL.

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**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\
**Post date:** [August 27, 2018, 11:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mutaplasmids-constitute-gambling/100383/233 "2018-08-27T11:38:35Z")

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_looks at posting times_ Get a life? : )

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**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\
**Post date:** [August 27, 2018, 11:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mutaplasmids-constitute-gambling/100383/234 "2018-08-27T11:45:39Z")

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Hello @Salvos_Rhoska .  
I remind you that what you are doing is harassment : trying to force someone into giving you information he does not want to give.

I told you that already. You are spamming in the thread in order to force someone else to actions he does not want to take. Get out .

I get that you feel owned because you answered and he did not. But you should have assessed that before answering. Otherwise you will get owned by an isk doubler too.

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**Author:** ![Butt\_Cigar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/butt_cigar/32/131787_2.png) [@Butt\_Cigar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Butt_Cigar)\
**Post date:** [August 27, 2018, 11:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mutaplasmids-constitute-gambling/100383/235 "2018-08-27T11:45:52Z")

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A meaningless, empty, internet-person attempt at an insult. Internet person, do you have any coherent argument? Are you a person? Bots do better.

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**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\
**Post date:** [August 27, 2018, 12:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mutaplasmids-constitute-gambling/100383/237 "2018-08-27T12:03:13Z")

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> [@Anderson\_Geten](#):
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> I remind you that what you are doing is harassment : trying to force someone into giving you information he does not want to give.

I agree. It’s getting silly to the point where there is no further discussion.

I’ve suggested to use words such as **literally** and **figuratively**. I’m sure people will understand that one can say this:

Mutaplasmid transformations are not **literally** gambling. One can obtain mutaplasmid as well the modules needed for a transformation completely free of ISKs. ISKs are not a requirement for a transformation.

Only when one figures ISKs into the process, which again are not a requirement, then one can make it into gambling. Then it’s **figuratively** gambling.

If you still think it’s literally gambling then try going into a casino and bring your own chips. See what happens. Or play a game of poker, don’t buy in, but deal your own cards from your own private stack.

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**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\
**Post date:** [August 27, 2018, 12:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mutaplasmids-constitute-gambling/100383/240 "2018-08-27T12:09:42Z")

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That’s because you still believe that there is reciprocity .

Open your eyes : there is not, especially in yourself.  
You don’t respect people on this forum who respect you. You are aggressive, harass them, you keep distorting them discourse when they make effort to not do it.

You are a bad trash according to your own words.

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**Author:** ![Noragen\_Neirfallas](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/noragen_neirfallas/32/375148_2.png) [@Noragen\_Neirfallas](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Noragen_Neirfallas)\
**Post date:** [August 27, 2018, 12:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mutaplasmids-constitute-gambling/100383/241 "2018-08-27T12:10:01Z")

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Where the heck did that come from? Did I miss something as to why we are proper into the realm of RL now?

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**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\
**Post date:** [August 27, 2018, 12:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mutaplasmids-constitute-gambling/100383/242 "2018-08-27T12:10:31Z")

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> [@Noragen\_Neirfallas](#):
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> Where the heck did that come from? Did I miss something as to why we are proper into the realm of RL now?

Salvos compared Nana to his ex.

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**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\
**Post date:** [August 27, 2018, 12:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mutaplasmids-constitute-gambling/100383/243 "2018-08-27T12:10:43Z")

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That comes from him talking about his ex so often.  
Not that I do endorse it.

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