# My answer to "why so much players dont pvp" **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [July 18, 2019, 7:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-answer-to-why-so-much-players-dont-pvp/176397 "2019-07-18T19:19:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2019, 9:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-answer-to-why-so-much-players-dont-pvp/176397/61 "2019-07-25T09:49:27Z")
I’m not complaining that players like you are docked. Targets like you wouldn’t be worth the 10,000 ISK I spend on ammo, quite frankly. > [@Yonna\_Leczarovitz](#): > > As long a you don’t mind me not taking any kind of risk for two months afterwards If it takes you TWO MONTHS to recoup the ISK that you’ve lost from PvP, you have done something gravely wrong. I’d ask where and how you make your ISK, but I’m going to assume you run missions in a very poorly fit mission running ship. > **[Raven | Yonna Leczarovitz | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/77970391/)** > > Yonna Leczarovitz (Perkone) lost their Raven in Tunudan (The Citadel) Total Value: 151,397,093.74 ISK And what do we have here, a poorly fit mission running ship. Look, I’m not complaining that “players” stay docked. Players like you aren’t even worth my time, quite frankly. I’m not even complaining that Carebears are “avoiding PvP they can’t afford” (which, btw, is a complete lie). I’m saying. It’s your attitude. Your mindset. You play a game, refuse to learn how to get better at it, and continue to play it poorly. Then you complain about how “expensive” it is when you continue to play it poorly. You can either (1) take responsibility, get better at the game, and utilize more efficient ways of making ISK (wait, sorry, I already know that you won’t because that would require you to swallow your pride, sorry hun~), or (2) do what you are already doing, and just complain about it, despite people all around you given your dozens of examples of what to do. ---
**Author:** ![Yonna\_Leczarovitz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yonna_leczarovitz/32/218320_2.png) [@Yonna\_Leczarovitz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yonna_Leczarovitz)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2019, 10:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-answer-to-why-so-much-players-dont-pvp/176397/62 "2019-07-25T10:01:17Z")
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**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2019, 10:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-answer-to-why-so-much-players-dont-pvp/176397/63 "2019-07-25T10:02:38Z")
> [@Yonna\_Leczarovitz](#): > > I’ve been playing solo and when you’re attacked everytime you mine anywhere it makes sense to come armed and armored. Oh, you were _MINING_ with that Raven. lmao Well, that just makes my case for me. Good luck, kiddo. When you want to actually get better, feel free to shoot me a PM. ---
**Author:** ![Yonna\_Leczarovitz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yonna_leczarovitz/32/218320_2.png) [@Yonna\_Leczarovitz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yonna_Leczarovitz)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2019, 10:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-answer-to-why-so-much-players-dont-pvp/176397/64 "2019-07-25T10:07:48Z")
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**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2019, 10:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-answer-to-why-so-much-players-dont-pvp/176397/65 "2019-07-25T10:09:18Z")
> [@Yonna\_Leczarovitz](#): > > I’m in a Corp now, I’ll ask THEM. At least they’re respectful of others. Again, good luck kiddo. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2019, 10:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-answer-to-why-so-much-players-dont-pvp/176397/66 "2019-07-25T10:09:41Z")
I would be interested in mentoring and helping you, drop me a line in game. ---
**Author:** ![Yonna\_Leczarovitz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yonna_leczarovitz/32/218320_2.png) [@Yonna\_Leczarovitz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yonna_Leczarovitz)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2019, 10:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-answer-to-why-so-much-players-dont-pvp/176397/67 "2019-07-25T10:10:41Z")
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**Author:** ![Yonna\_Leczarovitz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yonna_leczarovitz/32/218320_2.png) [@Yonna\_Leczarovitz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yonna_Leczarovitz)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2019, 10:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-answer-to-why-so-much-players-dont-pvp/176397/68 "2019-07-25T10:10:58Z")
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**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2019, 10:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-answer-to-why-so-much-players-dont-pvp/176397/69 "2019-07-25T10:12:12Z")
What I am impressed with is that you take risks, that is often the most important attitude to have. Now it is just a case of refining your risk taking and making sure you optimise what you can fly. ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2019, 10:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-answer-to-why-so-much-players-dont-pvp/176397/70 "2019-07-25T10:12:51Z")
> [@Yonna\_Leczarovitz](#): > > shove it where the sun don’t shine. > [@Scoots\_Choco](#): > > (1) take responsibility, get better at the game, and utilize more efficient ways of making ISK (wait, sorry, I already know that you won’t because that would require you to swallow your pride, sorry hun~) One of these days, you’ll learn. Or you won’t. Eve won’t miss you. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2019, 10:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-answer-to-why-so-much-players-dont-pvp/176397/71 "2019-07-25T10:13:32Z")
You are so up yourself, lol I can see that you are good at PvP your killboard speaks for itself, but go and test yourself against WH players and tell me how you do. ---
**Author:** ![Yonna\_Leczarovitz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yonna_leczarovitz/32/218320_2.png) [@Yonna\_Leczarovitz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yonna_Leczarovitz)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2019, 10:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-answer-to-why-so-much-players-dont-pvp/176397/72 "2019-07-25T10:18:20Z")
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**Author:** ![Yonna\_Leczarovitz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yonna_leczarovitz/32/218320_2.png) [@Yonna\_Leczarovitz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yonna_Leczarovitz)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2019, 10:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-answer-to-why-so-much-players-dont-pvp/176397/73 "2019-07-25T10:20:39Z")
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**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2019, 10:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-answer-to-why-so-much-players-dont-pvp/176397/74 "2019-07-25T10:39:13Z")
Its cool cos anyone busts one of Yonna’s ships, Ill always replace it. If she wants. ---
**Author:** ![Yonna\_Leczarovitz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yonna_leczarovitz/32/218320_2.png) [@Yonna\_Leczarovitz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yonna_Leczarovitz)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2019, 10:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-answer-to-why-so-much-players-dont-pvp/176397/75 "2019-07-25T10:41:55Z")
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**Author:** ![Natocha\_Daisy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/natocha_daisy/32/474632_2.png) [@Natocha\_Daisy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Natocha_Daisy)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2019, 11:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-answer-to-why-so-much-players-dont-pvp/176397/76 "2019-07-25T11:25:23Z")
> [@Holder\_Redren](#): > > eve pvp types: > > 1. gank: warp to → f1 : boring > 2. blob: anchor → f1 : boring > 3. big fleet: anchor → f1 to alpha strike a primary : boring > 4. actual eve pvp where you need to actually move, maintain transversal and choose a targets, overheat and repair with paste, change ammo types and loot navy batteries(oh my!): and its… STILL BORING! > > there is two faces of eve: “yet another boring kind of pvp online from 2003” and “actually unique space farm online” > so then player that playing space farm online wants to pvp he logoff and goes to his preferred, more engaging and cunning pvp game. > want more players go to pvp? then make eve pvp better, not a “well, its mostly about applied dps vs tank+ehp but sometimes you can do the trick!” but something at least resembling actual fleet/team fights.(yes i know that ccp is not able to do this) I’ll tell you why it’s boring: 1. No instant pvp Arena (great for noobs and testing builds) 2. No pvp simulator to test out ship fits 3. Takes too long to replace losses. i can insta-pvp in many other mmos. 4. Real world economics makes the whole pvp thing flawed and too time consuming to work towards for a 30 second adrenaline rush. 5. Killboards boost player stats while making other players look bad. Scrap the kb. ---
**Author:** ![Tipa\_Riot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tipa_riot/32/443513_2.png) [@Tipa\_Riot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tipa_Riot)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2019, 11:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-answer-to-why-so-much-players-dont-pvp/176397/77 "2019-07-25T11:55:01Z")
> [@Natocha\_Daisy](#): > > - No instant pvp Arena (great for noobs and testing builds) > - No pvp simulator to test out ship fits There is, it’s called SiSi, I test most of my fits there. Very helpful. Also if you want to test your fit on TQ, just go to Tama or other lowsec choke point, and you have plenty of test options. Else you have Pyfa to test offline. > [@Natocha\_Daisy](#): > > Takes too long to replace losses. i can insta-pvp in many other mmos. You can, but it’s meaningless without real loss. > [@Natocha\_Daisy](#): > > Killboards boost player stats while making other players look bad. Scrap the kb. That’s the point of competition. KBs are the legacy of EvE. ---
**Author:** ![Natocha\_Daisy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/natocha_daisy/32/474632_2.png) [@Natocha\_Daisy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Natocha_Daisy)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2019, 12:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-answer-to-why-so-much-players-dont-pvp/176397/78 "2019-07-25T12:04:35Z")
> [@Tipa\_Riot](#): > > ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/1/3/13bab85d533f91fe768c41bbba01154dd17ce683.jpeg) Natocha\_Daisy: > > > - No instant pvp Arena (great for noobs and testing builds) > > - No pvp simulator to test out ship fits > > There is, it’s called SiSi, I test most of my fits there. Very helpful. Also if you want to test your fit on TQ, just go to Tama or other lowsec choke point, and you have plenty of test options. Else you have Pyfa to test offline. So a new player has to download/log into SiSi or whatever, purchase ship + fittings and then go find some person who may or may not be on the server ‘somewhere’ to do what? What is it? How does it work? Is this really an alternative for new players? > [@Tipa\_Riot](#): > > ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/1/3/13bab85d533f91fe768c41bbba01154dd17ce683.jpeg) Natocha\_Daisy: > > > Takes too long to replace losses. i can insta-pvp in many other mmos. > > You can, but it’s meaningless without real loss. Only for those players who focus on their killboard scores. > [@Tipa\_Riot](#): > > ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/1/3/13bab85d533f91fe768c41bbba01154dd17ce683.jpeg) Natocha\_Daisy: > > > Killboards boost player stats while making other players look bad. Scrap the kb. > > That’s the point of competition. KBs are the legacy of EvE. No they are not. The legacy of Eve are the memories that people have of the great battles/fun times with comrades or people they have played with. It has nothing to do with pointless numbers on a webpage. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2019, 12:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-answer-to-why-so-much-players-dont-pvp/176397/79 "2019-07-25T12:10:27Z")
Ill take that bet and raise you “Heres a link to that kill we got that time we all had fun” Like a keyring from Tenerife or Ft. Launderdale ---
**Author:** ![Tipa\_Riot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tipa_riot/32/443513_2.png) [@Tipa\_Riot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tipa_Riot)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2019, 12:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-answer-to-why-so-much-players-dont-pvp/176397/80 "2019-07-25T12:44:24Z")
> [@Natocha\_Daisy](#): > > So a new player has to download/log into SiSi or whatever, purchase ship + fittings and then go find some person who may or may not be on the server ‘somewhere’ to do what? > > What is it? How does it work? Is this really an alternative for new players? Sorry, Eve is and was never a game for people with low IQ. > [@Natocha\_Daisy](#): > > Only for those players who focus on their killboard scores. You seem to be the one who is obsessed the most about here. You know, opposing it means, you care. 😉 [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-answer-to-why-so-much-players-dont-pvp/176397.md?page=3) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-answer-to-why-so-much-players-dont-pvp/176397.md?page=5)