# My contribution to the "Highsec Lobby" initiative **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [February 12, 2020, 7:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219 "2020-02-12T07:46:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2020, 9:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/203 "2020-02-18T09:49:32Z")
> [@Knowledgeminer](#): > > No, the issue here is that _ **my** _ reputation is really important to _ **you** _ , so much that you’re willing to lie to try to discredit me… I am just happy that you are no longer in the AG chat channel, what you do now is up to you. > [@Knowledgeminer](#): > > ROFLMAO. You have absolutely no capability to “impinge on my reputation” (or anyone else’s for that matter) for the simple reason that you have absolutely no credibility. The hate you get is the result of the crappy personality you have, not any effect you may have on anyone’s reputation other than your own, LOL. And yet people do not leave the AG channel because of me. > [@Knowledgeminer](#): > > If you want to work out who are the players that have done and will continue doing so much damage to the AG channel, you have to look no further than yourself and others like you there. I did not drive people away from the AG channel like you, whether it was deliberate or not. > [@Knowledgeminer](#): > > Now, if what you want to “work out” is who _I_ am, I’ll help you with that. I’m James 315, Tora Bushido, Dom Arkaral, and a lot more I cannot remember atm, but that I’m sure you’ll find out soon. I never suggested that you were James315, Tora was more of a joke, but you really do look like Dum Dum. Your TZ in terms of playing and posting matches him so completely, as well as being similar on your corp changes. Those other clues such as colour of corp logo, the same beard, are little snippets of information that could point to it too. But most of all is the exact same anger over how you are perceived on the forums by people that makes you extremely angry. > [@Knowledgeminer](#): > > You’re not wrong. You’re as right as you were when you started a whole [Knowledgeminer Vs Dracvlad thread](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/knowledgeminer-vs-dracvlad-thread/162029/101) to claim I was Tora Bushido and don’t remember who else. You’ve always been right about all those other players you’ve claimed I was and others you haven’t said yet, but that I’m sure you’ll figure soon… Eve is a game of alts. > [@Knowledgeminer](#): > > Exactly, ‘back’ being the right word to describe it. Very insightful of you. I think you are a ganker as a player. > [@Knowledgeminer](#): > > It’s not that the game mechanics _appear_ to be in favour of the gankers. It’s that they _are_ heavily in favour of the gankers, and now that I’m not there, you’ll be able to tell that to everybody coming to that channel without anyone telling you the ■■■■■■■ losers you are for whining about those game mechanics non-stop and asking for one more nerf, when you could be learning to take advantage of them instead… Speaking like a ganker. > [@Knowledgeminer](#): > > The biggest difference between you and me is that I’m honest and you’re not… No you are not. The most important honesty yu can have is with yourself, you don’t seem to be able to do that at least in my opinion. Or is that a lie? lol… > [@Knowledgeminer](#): > > This perfectly illustrates the stupidity and unwillingness to learn that used to be so generalised until I started to “annoy” people there. It highlights the issue with you, and how ineffective you are if you were really not doing it deliberately. > [@Knowledgeminer](#): > > And if the gankers are (rightfully) laughing at him because he’s doing silly things, you want him to know and be aware of what’s actually happening so he doesn’t keep doing the same silly things again and again. You’re doing a disservice to him by hiding from him the truth of what’s actually happening. The gankers aren’t going to stop laughing at him just because he’s unaware they are… CONCORD whoring is the one they use most of all and I have proved that there is value in shooting them. > [@Knowledgeminer](#): > > Again, what should matter here is the truth. Saying “good” there would be appropriate only if it was actually good. Otherwise you’re lying to make someone feel good about something he did wrong. That does **not** help him understand what he did wrong. Even if you tell him how to do it “better”, if everybody tells him what he did was “good”, he’s still not going to understand what was wrong and why… Well he is more likely to listen to me than someone who called him a useless fool. > [@Knowledgeminer](#): > > Actually, it was both because I’m a narcissistic elitist that needs to belittle everyone else to feel superior, and because I wanted to drive away from AG as many people as I could. What other reasons could I have for trying to help people understand what they were doing wrong? I cannot think of any other possibility… If it was not that then pure incompetence. > [@Knowledgeminer](#): > > Stop suspecting already. You can be 100% certain I’m a ganker and have always been. What other explanation could there be for all the harm that I’ve been doing to AG throughout all this time? Also, I’m clearly “back” at it again, what other proof do you need that I have always been a ganker in disguise? You certainly look like one. > [@Knowledgeminer](#): > > What? You’re not going to quote where I said what you’re claiming I said here, are you? It matters to you so much that you get so angry about it and throw the word liar around to comfort yourself. Good riddance is what I say, keep shooting gankers and whoever, have fun, do what rocks your boat, I don’t care, but your destructive influence on the AG chat channel has ended and that makes me happy. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2020, 1:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/204 "2020-02-18T13:20:30Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > For example on Sunday one AG player got all the loot from this: The AG player got it? I hope you mean that they scooped it and then returned it to the player that was ganked. Or are the AG players just gankers who let someone else pay for the cost of the gank and keep the loot? ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2020, 1:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/205 "2020-02-18T13:44:29Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > The AG player got it? I hope you mean that they scooped it and then returned it to the player that was ganked. Or are the AG players just gankers who let someone else pay for the cost of the gank and keep the loot? To gank means that you are actually shooting someone to destroy their ship. If you can’t get that right and are calling them gankers, giving you a proper answer is a waste of effort. Answer the question properly without the fan boy ganker bullshite and I will answer that. ---
**Author:** ![Jerry\_Falcone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jerry_falcone/32/167073_2.png) [@Jerry\_Falcone](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jerry_Falcone)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2020, 2:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/206 "2020-02-18T14:45:45Z")
While i’m not a fan of ganker or griefers, more so dislike griefers than gankers. There is room for Antigankers if done correctly and without posting salt. I feel like the AntiG community is nothing but salty lil bitches. I commend KM for doing what he feels is necessary to help the overall environment of new eden, even if that means moving away from whatever some of you call Anti G. I feel as though the AntiG community should be some sort of pirate like community that generally goes after the gankers, but not be whiny salty assholes in the process. The sad part is, im less a fan of the AntiG community than i am the gankers. and I feel like this topic, was really brought down thanks to Drac. Let me be clear however, i’m not a ganker, or Antiganker or griefer. I’ve been griefed and i been ganked… but I enjoy the game. Unless AntiGanking community could turn into less salty and more productive in how they operate, i probably could never understand them… sad to say, after all this time playing, i understand CODE. still don’t like them, but it is what it is. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2020, 3:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/207 "2020-02-18T15:07:54Z")
> [@Jerry\_Falcone](#): > > I feel like the AntiG community is nothing but salty lil bitches. That is your opinion. > [@Jerry\_Falcone](#): > > and I feel like this topic, was really brought down thanks to Drac. This topic was already in the gutter. Whiney HTFU players getting salty due to people with some bad ideas creating a chat channel to discuss them. I think I see who the whiney ones really are. That was an opinion by the way. ---
**Author:** ![Jerry\_Falcone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jerry_falcone/32/167073_2.png) [@Jerry\_Falcone](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jerry_Falcone)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2020, 3:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/208 "2020-02-18T15:12:37Z")
Both are my opinions. sure… But i’ve never really seen any good out of the Anti Ganking community. I believe for every action that this game has, there should be an equal or opposite reaction. cloak/decloak gank/antigank grief/antigrief pve/pvp etc. But there are issues with those as well. will ccp figure out the exact combination, no. Regardless how they make changes, someone will be pissed off enough to create topics where they wanna ragequit cause they can’t play how they were, or give salt to the ones who caused them to ragequit etc. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2020, 3:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/209 "2020-02-18T15:16:38Z")
> [@Jerry\_Falcone](#): > > Both are my opinions. sure… But i’ve never really seen any good out of the Anti Ganking community. This is not a beauty contest. > [@Jerry\_Falcone](#): > > I believe for every action that this game has, there should be an equal or opposite reaction. cloak/decloak gank/antigank grief/antigrief pve/pvp etc. But there are issues with those as well. will ccp figure out the exact combination, no. Regardless how they make changes, someone will be pissed off enough to create topics where they wanna ragequit cause they can’t play how they were, or give salt to the ones who caused them to ragequit etc. Actually it is for the players to do that and find fun and value in it, CCP has to just get the mechanics right so people want to do it. * * * I have a little question for you, currently there are 14 Tornado gankers sitting outside Amarr station, please tell me how you would go about dealing with that? I am assuming that you are not a massive multi-boxer by the way. ---
**Author:** ![Yberta\_Molk](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yberta_molk/32/273039_2.png) [@Yberta\_Molk](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yberta_Molk)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2020, 3:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/210 "2020-02-18T15:18:42Z")
If I was hauling into Amarr I would scout first, see them there, park up and go do something else until they weren’t there. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2020, 3:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/211 "2020-02-18T15:19:12Z")
They are there almost all the time, next answer please. ---
**Author:** ![Yberta\_Molk](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yberta_molk/32/273039_2.png) [@Yberta\_Molk](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yberta_Molk)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2020, 3:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/212 "2020-02-18T15:20:11Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > almost I’ve never lost a freighter in Amarr, Jita, Hek, Rens, Dodixie… ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2020, 3:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/213 "2020-02-18T15:21:13Z")
> [@Yberta\_Molk](#): > > I’ve never lost a freighter in Amarr, Jita, Hek, Rens, Dodixie. Irrelevant chest beating, how would you remove the 14 Tornado gankers operating continuously at Amarr station? Already you have proven to me that you have no ability to AG. ---
**Author:** ![Jerry\_Falcone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jerry_falcone/32/167073_2.png) [@Jerry\_Falcone](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jerry_Falcone)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2020, 3:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/214 "2020-02-18T15:21:54Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > currently there are 14 Tornado gankers sitting outside Amarr station, please tell me how you would go about dealing with that? I am assuming that you are not a massive multi-boxer by the way. It’s of no concern to me. and you would be right to assume that i’m not a multiboxer. I wear one pair of boxers at a time. ---
**Author:** ![Yberta\_Molk](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yberta_molk/32/273039_2.png) [@Yberta\_Molk](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yberta_Molk)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2020, 3:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/215 "2020-02-18T15:22:21Z")
It’s not irrelevant. I have lost ships but not often. Adapt and overcome is all I’m saying. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2020, 3:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/216 "2020-02-18T15:23:45Z")
> [@Jerry\_Falcone](#): > > It’s of no concern to me. It is because you do not have the ability, stomach or attitude to do anything about it. > [@Yberta\_Molk](#): > > It’s not irrelevant. I have lost ships but not often. Adapt and overcome is all I’m saying. Irrelevant to the question asked. So much for this statement: > [@Jerry\_Falcone](#): > > I feel like the AntiG community is nothing but salty lil bitches. ---
**Author:** ![Knowledgeminer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/knowledgeminer/32/422883_2.png) [@Knowledgeminer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Knowledgeminer)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2020, 3:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/217 "2020-02-18T15:24:25Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > I have a little question for you, currently there are 14 Tornado gankers sitting outside Amarr station, please tell me how you would go about dealing with that? By coming to the forums asking for one more nerf to suicide ganking in high sec, obviously… ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2020, 3:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/218 "2020-02-18T15:25:00Z")
> [@Knowledgeminer](#): > > By coming to the forums asking for one more nerf to suicide ganking in high sec, obviously… See even the mighty knowledgeminer has no clue how to go about it, I rest my case. ---
**Author:** ![Jerry\_Falcone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jerry_falcone/32/167073_2.png) [@Jerry\_Falcone](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jerry_Falcone)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2020, 3:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/219 "2020-02-18T15:26:43Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > It is because you do not have the ability, stomach or attitude to do anything about it. Its of no concern to me because i don’t do stupid stuff to get ganked, I make deals, and i have friends in high and low places to prevent me from being ganked by 14 tornadoes. the last point is, i don’t go to amarr, so that is still of no concern to me. If by some reason, i did show up in amarr, and was ganked, id get some friends and go after the tornadoes. Not whine like a ■■■■■ on the forums. ---
**Author:** ![Knowledgeminer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/knowledgeminer/32/422883_2.png) [@Knowledgeminer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Knowledgeminer)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2020, 3:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/220 "2020-02-18T15:27:56Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > even the mighty knowledgeminer has no clue how to go about it But I gave you the answer already. What do you mean I have no clue? Of course there would have to be a lot of whining for CCP to do something about it, but eventually that would work… ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2020, 3:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/221 "2020-02-18T15:28:43Z")
> [@Jerry\_Falcone](#): > > Its of no concern to me because i don’t do stupid stuff to get ganked, I make deals, and i have friends in high and low places to prevent me from being ganked by 14 tornadoes. the last point is, i don’t go to amarr, so that is still of no concern to me You don’t have to do stupid stuff to get ganked. So you are friends of the mighty Goon and will get them to drop a ton of whatnots on them if they dare to gank you, got it, that one always works. sarc/ So you just avoid, but you have no idea how to stop those 14 Tornado’s, fair enough. What I expected from the mouthy ones who have no idea. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2020, 3:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/222 "2020-02-18T15:29:49Z")
> [@Knowledgeminer](#): > > But I gave you the answer already. What do you mean I have no clue? Of course there would have to be a lot of whining for CCP to do something about it, but eventually that would work… So you would whine to CCP about it. @Jerry_Falcone Does that help? PS Tags did not help at all and buffed this… [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219.md?page=9) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219.md?page=11)