# My contribution to the "Highsec Lobby" initiative **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [February 12, 2020, 7:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219 "2020-02-12T07:46:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2020, 3:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/243 "2020-02-18T15:51:38Z")
That is funny, we worked for that, we pointed him, blew him up and nabbed the loot. In fact the original victim has no idea what happened to his loot. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2020, 3:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/244 "2020-02-18T15:51:51Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > So I am not a white knight then, please pass that on to the CODE players as they seem to think I am. No, you absolutely are a white knight in every negative sense of the word. You’re a pathetic loser with delusions of being the good guy, just like every incel “m’lady”-ing at some woman who really wishes they’d STFU and die. But the reality is you’re just another asshole thug who takes whatever you feel entitled to steal because you want the ISK. > Better off using that ISK to fund more loot scoopers. Did you ask the victim if that was their preference for how their loot would be used? Or did you just declare that you would make better use of it than they would so you’re entitled to take it? ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2020, 3:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/245 "2020-02-18T15:53:31Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > No, you absolutely are a white knight in every negative sense of the word. You’re a pathetic loser with delusions of being the good guy, just like every incel “m’lady”-ing at some woman who really wishes they’d STFU and die. But the reality is you’re just another asshole thug who takes whatever you feel entitled to steal because you want the ISK. I did not take any of the ISK, I don’t need it. > [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > Did you ask the victim if that was their preference for how their loot would be used? Or did you just declare that you would make better use of it than they would so you’re entitled to take it? Couldn’t, he had logged off. In most cases victims refuse our convo’s. They expect CODEy’s to be gloating at their loss. ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2020, 3:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/246 "2020-02-18T15:54:43Z")
It is seriously getting into Salvos levels of pedantic really. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2020, 3:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/247 "2020-02-18T15:55:24Z")
Only because you can’t answer it, so are you still going to call me a white knight after this? ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2020, 3:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/248 "2020-02-18T15:56:06Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > I did not take any of the ISK, I don’t need it. Whether or not you personally kept it your friend did and you support their decision to do so. You are criminal scum, so much worse than the people you claim to oppose. > Couldn’t, he had logged off. In most cases victims refuse our convo’s. They expect CODEy’s to be gloating at their loss. Stop making excuses for your theft. You could have contracted the loot to him for zero ISK if you cared. But you would rather keep the loot for your own benefit. ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2020, 3:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/249 "2020-02-18T15:56:10Z")
Was this addressed to me? ---
**Author:** ![Jerry\_Falcone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jerry_falcone/32/167073_2.png) [@Jerry\_Falcone](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jerry_Falcone)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2020, 3:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/250 "2020-02-18T15:56:25Z")
more like a dull negative white knight pos. just my opinion. ---
**Author:** ![Yberta\_Molk](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yberta_molk/32/273039_2.png) [@Yberta\_Molk](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yberta_Molk)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2020, 3:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/251 "2020-02-18T15:57:37Z")
Oh so apart from all the vitriol and crying you are asking for PvP advice? Is that it? ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2020, 3:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/252 "2020-02-18T15:58:01Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > Whether or not you personally kept it your friend did and you support their decision to do so. You are criminal scum, so much worse than the people you claim to oppose. > [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > Was this addressed to me? > [@Jerry\_Falcone](#): > > more like a dull negative white knight pos. > [@Yberta\_Molk](#): > > Oh so apart from all the vitriol and crying you are asking for PvP advice? Is that it? > [@Jerry\_Falcone](#): > > So maybe you should change the name from Anti Ganking community to Anti ganking, but steal your ■■■■ anyway community Look at the whiney salt… > [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > Stop making excuses for your theft. You could have contracted the loot to him for zero ISK if you cared. But you would rather keep the loot for your own benefit. I felt the ISK was better spent on the player who loot scooped it to enable them to do it more efficiently. Loot scooping is risky and they lose ships. Was not for my benefit at all. It is effective, exhibit A: > [@10 second looting timer before wreck appears for all?](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/10-second-looting-timer-before-wreck-appears-for-all/217248): > > When I suspect bait or do a duel jita or amarr., usually a exploration frigate or other ship is able to take the loot before I can even open the wreck, and immediately docks.(because I have to worry about other players when suspect or station games when dueling, or out of range) Also, in PVE valuable drops stolen before the tractor can get to it. It should appear only to the person who got the kill and the fleet and corp and alliance. However, after 10 seconds, the wreck will appear and others c… ---
**Author:** ![Jerry\_Falcone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jerry_falcone/32/167073_2.png) [@Jerry\_Falcone](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jerry_Falcone)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2020, 3:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/253 "2020-02-18T15:58:58Z")
So maybe you should change the name from Anti Ganking community to Anti ganking, but steal your ■■■■ anyway community ---
**Author:** ![Tintallei\_Sharan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tintallei_sharan/32/373000_2.png) [@Tintallei\_Sharan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tintallei_Sharan)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2020, 4:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/254 "2020-02-18T16:01:03Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > That is funny, we worked for that, we pointed him, blew him up and nabbed the loot. I have to admit that I don’t know how much effort this require, but it does sounds much easier than the gank itself and, I don’t know if I’m clear with that but, I feel like it imply much less interaction for the “victim” and therefore, much less content. Just stealing loot without providing a fight for anybody. > [@Dracvlad](#): > > In fact the original victim has no idea what happened to his loot. That’s also possible, but since we are discussing about “Who the victim will be most angry at?”, we kinda have to consider an example where the victim do know what happend. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2020, 4:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/255 "2020-02-18T16:03:01Z")
> [@Tintallei\_Sharan](#): > > I have to admit that I don’t know how much effort this require, but it does sounds much easier than the gank itself and, I don’t know if I’m clear with that but, I feel like it imply much less interaction for the “victim” and therefore, much less content. Just stealing loot without providing a fight for anybody. You go suspect if you nab the loot before them, in the case of me pointing the ganker loot scooper and blowing them up the loot becomes mine and my fleet mates. The game seems to agree with me… > [@Tintallei\_Sharan](#): > > That’s also possible, but since we are discussing about “Who the victim will be most angry at?”, we kinda have to consider an example where the victim do know what happend. Go and tell him and ask him. He could always put a bounty on me. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2020, 4:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/256 "2020-02-18T16:06:59Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > I felt the ISK was better spent on the player who loot scooped it to enable them to do it more efficiently. Loot scooping is risky and they lose ships. Like I said, you are criminal scum. You decided that you knew better than the rightful owner of the loot so you told the player who stole it to keep it for their own use. The honest thing would have been to give the loot back to the rightful owner, tell them about your anti-ganking work, and let them decide if they wish to contribute to the cause. > Look at the whiney salt… Ah yes, the last resort of bad players with nothing better to offer: whining and crying about how everyone is “salty”, as if being so pathetic that people openly insult you is somehow a victory for you. > The game seems to agree with me… Well that’s certainly pathetic, trying to hide behind a technicality of game mechanics. I’m sure the gank victim you stole from would of course agree that, because you took their loot from the original thief, you have a 100% valid claim to ownership. Oh wait, that’s right, you don’t give a \*\*\*\* about the victims of ganking. You only care about masturbating over how “superior” you are to the gankers. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2020, 4:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/257 "2020-02-18T16:09:01Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > Like I said, you are criminal scum. You decided that you knew better than the rightful owner of the loot so you told the player who stole it to keep it for their own use. The honest thing would have been to give the loot back to the rightful owner, tell them about your anti-ganking work, and let them decide if they wish to contribute to the cause. He logged and in most cases people do not accept our convos think that we are CODE gloating over their loss. > [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > Ah yes, the last resort of bad players with nothing better to offer: whining and crying about how everyone is “salty”, as if being so pathetic that people openly insult you is somehow a victory for you. Speaking about your primary forum weapon I see. > [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > Well that’s certainly pathetic, trying to hide behind a technicality of game mechanics. I’m sure the gank victim you stole from would of course agree that, because you took their loot from the original thief, you have a 100% valid claim to ownership. Me, I did not take it. > [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > Oh wait, that’s right, you don’t give a \*\*\*\* about the victims of ganking. You only care about masturbating over how “superior” you are to the gankers. So I am not a white knight then, make up your goddam mind will you! ---
**Author:** ![Knowledgeminer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/knowledgeminer/32/422883_2.png) [@Knowledgeminer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Knowledgeminer)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2020, 4:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/258 "2020-02-18T16:09:56Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > They are there almost all the time I never go to Amarr, and don’t really know how many Tornados are usually there, but somehow I have the feeling that you’re simply lying again and making this look a bigger issue than it really is to try justify all the whining… While I’m pretty sure there are almost always Tornados there, I’m pretty sure too it’s simply not true that there are that many all the time like you said, which would make the first answer you got a perfectly valid one. But of course you don’t like that answer, because you somehow feel that there should be a way to deal with a vastly superior opponent if they are evil gankers, so now you’re gonna use it as an example of how the game mechanics do heavily favour the gankers… ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2020, 4:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/259 "2020-02-18T16:10:40Z")
> [@Knowledgeminer](#): > > I never go to Amarr, and don’t really know how many Tornados are usually there, but somehow I have the feeling that you’re simply lying again and making this look a bigger issue than it really is to try justify all the whining… > > While I’m pretty sure there are almost always Tornados there, I’m pretty sure too it’s simply not true that there are that many all the time like you said, which would make the first answer you got a perfectly valid one. > > But of course you don’t like that answer, because you somehow feel that there should be a way to deal with a vastly superior opponent if they are evil gankers, so now you’re gonna use it as an example of how the game mechanics do heavily favour the gankers… Wow such a wad of evasion there, are you sure that you are an AG? ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2020, 4:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/260 "2020-02-18T16:11:28Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > He logged and in most cases people do not accept our convos think that we are CODE gloating over their loss. You could have contracted the loot to him for zero ISK. You are a pathetic thief who isn’t even honest enough to admit that he is a thief. > So I am not a white knight then, make up your goddam mind will you! No, you are 100% a white knight. What you apparently don’t understand is that white knights are not legitimately good and heroic people, they’re smug assholes who only care about getting praise for their “virtue”. If someone calls you a white knight you should not consider it a compliment. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2020, 4:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/261 "2020-02-18T16:12:16Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > You could have contracted the loot to him for zero ISK. You are a pathetic thief who isn’t even honest enough to admit that he is a thief. I never touched the loot. > [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > No, you are 100% a white knight. What you apparently don’t understand is that white knights are not legitimately good and heroic people, they’re smug assholes who only care about getting praise for their “virtue”. If someone calls you a white knight you should not consider it a compliment. I take it as a complement when someone like you calls me one. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2020, 4:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/262 "2020-02-18T16:13:33Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > I never touched the loot. You could have told your friend to contract it to him. But instead you decided that the “anti-gankers” are entitled to any loot they get their hands on, and screw the victim of the gank. Stop making excuses for your thuggish behavior. > I take it as a complement when someone like you calls me one. Well that’s certainly an impressive level of delusion… [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219.md?page=11) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219.md?page=13)