# My contribution to the "Highsec Lobby" initiative **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [February 12, 2020, 7:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219 "2020-02-12T07:46:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2020, 9:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/364 "2020-02-18T21:47:11Z")
> Nobody cares about your attempt to organize whine threads and demand free ISK. Insulting wannabe-ganker scum like Dracvald is much more fun. But your raging, I think you need a buff to highsec to calm down that stress 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2020, 9:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/366 "2020-02-18T21:53:47Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Never the target for theft but absolutely the target of the killing that came with it. I have seen many an awoxer celebrating how they destroyed a new players first mining barge when they started ganking a mining fleet in a corp they had infiltrated. I seem to have read that somewhere too. ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2020, 9:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/367 "2020-02-18T21:54:26Z")
> [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > It is seriously getting into Salvos levels of pedantic really. Please, pretty please … do not say his name three times! ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2020, 9:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/368 "2020-02-18T21:59:34Z")
> [@Knowledgeminer](#): > > I never go to Amarr, and don’t really know how many Tornados are usually there One of my characters is in Amarr a lot and there are a few Tornados most of the times. Most surely not 15 and although I arrive and leave frequently I haven’t been ganked (yet). But that is probably because I use instas. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2020, 10:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/369 "2020-02-18T22:06:31Z")
Later I did say that he reported 14 as the total number of people operating around that Tornado ganker, there was at one point eight or more Tornados, some were CODE, with looters, bumpers and other stuff. So 14 is in fact incorrect in terms of actual tornados. I have operated around it a few times myself, but it was six at one point, but they were competing against each other. Currently the Hell Dawn and CODE ones seem to be working together. The last time I dabbled personally we got in their way a bit, but they brought a counter, was fun. ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2020, 10:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/372 "2020-02-18T22:58:53Z")
I bet you always tell this stories to your grand kids, but they kinda had it with your ramblings so that’s why we have to endure it now. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2020, 11:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/373 "2020-02-18T23:11:00Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > No highly amused at yet another silly mental health attack on me by yet another salty ganker fan boy, I find it so hilariously funny that you even think it bothers me. I just wanted to give it a full on broadside of utter contempt because why not. Yes. Clearly it doesnt bother you. Why else would you keep posting these very large walls of text? I think the only one youre fooling is yourself, and maybe your mom. > [@Dracvlad](#): > > Like linking metal health videos as if you have any clue about the subject, yeah right mate. After you started talking about safe spaces. Yeah, i am right, mate, thanks. > [@Dracvlad](#): > > You just gave me a load of hug and feel twaddle, not even sure what the hell you were trying to say, why don’t you go and blow something up in game and get it out of your system mate, you are obviously hurting. Oh look you can create a GIF, so unimpressed. Why would you think i created that GIF. Its called Google. Not everyone is as invested in this forums as you are. > [@Dracvlad](#): > > But can you answer my question on them 14 Tornados? You are a Goon after all, they blow things up don’t they? Or is the only thing you can blow up is a dumb looking picture with some writing on it. Whats the question? You never asked it to me before, so I have no clue as to what you asked someone else. But if you ask me, ill be happy to answer. ---
**Author:** ![Galaxy\_Pig](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/galaxy_pig/32/374625_2.png) [@Galaxy\_Pig](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Galaxy_Pig)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2020, 12:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/374 "2020-02-19T00:20:02Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Particualrly if you’ve had someone fairly new joining a corp then losign everything they’ve built up over a couple of months taken from them, it hcan be a pretty good way to get rid of players. This is what we’re talking about when we accuse you of being a bleeding-heart carebear and you act all confused as to why. ---
**Author:** ![Galaxy\_Pig](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/galaxy_pig/32/374625_2.png) [@Galaxy\_Pig](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Galaxy_Pig)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2020, 1:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/375 "2020-02-19T01:29:47Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > That’s their usual excuse for why they predominantly target new players. You live in a fantasy world, Lucas. I challenge you to name me one character who “predominantly targets new players”. You truly are a ridiculous person. Who knows if you _actually_ believe the things you say. ---
**Author:** ![Australian\_Excellence](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/australian_excellence/32/367782_2.png) [@Australian\_Excellence](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Australian_Excellence)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2020, 3:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/376 "2020-02-19T03:13:53Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > This player is great, I mean really good, I am seriously impressed. Stops no ganks yet is impressive to you. Obviously doesn’t take much for you to be impressed > [@Dracvlad](#): > > There is another player who goes after Kusion and often stops him from ganking, this player is not noticed much either Another lie Days ag have sat in uedama: 2190 Ganks stopped: \<10 Almost 1 a year, pretty good success rate for a bunch of people with 70iq I guess ---
**Author:** ![Jerry\_Falcone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jerry_falcone/32/167073_2.png) [@Jerry\_Falcone](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jerry_Falcone)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2020, 3:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/377 "2020-02-19T03:57:27Z")
@Sabus_Narian Predominately targets and scams newbs. proven fact. Considering this whole topic was started about him to begin with ---
**Author:** ![Pix\_Severus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pix_severus/32/394032_2.png) [@Pix\_Severus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pix_Severus)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2020, 4:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/378 "2020-02-19T04:14:57Z")
Enjoying the wardecs? ---
**Author:** ![Jerry\_Falcone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jerry_falcone/32/167073_2.png) [@Jerry\_Falcone](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jerry_Falcone)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2020, 4:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/379 "2020-02-19T04:15:21Z")
"there are 14 tornadoes sitting in amarr. how do you deal with it? Thats the question ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2020, 4:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/380 "2020-02-19T04:15:34Z")
> [@Jerry\_Falcone](#): > > @Sabus_Narian Predominately targets and scams newbs. proven fact. Considering this whole topic was started about him to begin with This probably explains why he is so opposed to ganking: if his victims get ganked and lose their stuff it means less stuff for him to scam them out of. ---
**Author:** ![Ugren\_Okaski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ugren_okaski/32/181459_2.png) [@Ugren\_Okaski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ugren_Okaski)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2020, 5:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/381 "2020-02-19T05:48:30Z")
> [@Australian\_Excellence](#): > > Stops no ganks yet is impressive to you. Now I am confused. This player creates serious problems, but not enough to reduce the number of ganks? ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2020, 6:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/382 "2020-02-19T06:32:12Z")
> [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > Yes. Clearly it doesnt bother you. Why else would you keep posting these very large walls of text? > > I think the only one youre fooling is yourself, and maybe your mom. Salty… > [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > After you started talking about safe spaces. Yeah, i am right, mate, thanks. Still salty… > [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > Why would you think i created that GIF. Its called Google. > > Not everyone is as invested in this forums as you are. So you can just link stuff, not impressed. > [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > Whats the question? You never asked it to me before, so I have no clue as to what you asked someone else. But if you ask me, ill be happy to answer. Off you go. ---
**Author:** ![Australian\_Excellence](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/australian_excellence/32/367782_2.png) [@Australian\_Excellence](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Australian_Excellence)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2020, 6:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/383 "2020-02-19T06:33:48Z")
> [@Ugren\_Okaski](#): > > Now I am confused. This player creates serious problems, but not enough to reduce the number of ganks? The confusion goes away when you look at how he phrases what he thinks is happening. He said “creates problems” not “stops lots of ganks”. He thinks just the mere pressence of antigankers being annoying around a ganker and lacking any success is noteworthy (which it might be considering all they do is fail nonstop) ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2020, 6:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/384 "2020-02-19T06:45:09Z")
> [@Australian\_Excellence](#): > > Stops no ganks yet is impressive to you. Obviously doesn’t take much for you to be impressed Haha lacking in information yet again, just your septic word for it. > [@Australian\_Excellence](#): > > Another lie > > Days ag have sat in uedama: 2190 > Ganks stopped: \<10 > Almost 1 a year, pretty good success rate for a bunch of people with 70iq I guess Again just your septic word for it. > [@Pix\_Severus](#): > > Enjoying the wardecs? That should be classed as an exploit. I am going to petition this as an exploit now. Done petitioned as an exploit to CCP, I will be advising all my contacts to do the same. > [@Ugren\_Okaski](#): > > Now I am confused. This player creates serious problems, but not enough to reduce the number of ganks? He does reduce ganks, it is just that AE has no idea… > [@Australian\_Excellence](#): > > The confusion goes away when you look at how he phrases what he thinks is happening. He said “creates problems” not “stops lots of ganks”. He thinks just the mere pressence of antigankers being annoying around a ganker and lacking any success is noteworthy (which it might be considering all they do is fail nonstop) * * * This is not a reply to AE, just meat on the bone. in terms of the question I asked. The reason I gave the example of 14 Tornados sitting on Amarr station was to detail the difficulty of stopping them. They all use tags to keep their security status to a level so they can operate, so they can loiter. They loiter next to the station and are setup to fire on the undock area and the in point from Ashab. There is a looter at the undock and a bumper, there is a loot at the Ashab arrival point. There is normally 3 Tornados ready and sometimes as much as 8. Three of them are Hell Dawn, the other are CODE. Hell Dawn are war deckers so they can be shot if you have a war dec, but the player running them has 8 accounts and uses them to bait war targets. The other four are CODE who cannot currently be war decked. The issue of using KR’s is that they are all in the docking radius. I have been there a couple of days with my alts supporting that player when we had a war dec, and for times we made him dock up and halt his ganking, however they brought counters and other players eventually, well played of course. The AG player concerned has taken out Tornado’s despite only having one account, this is especially impressive as his main opponent has eight accounts and possibly more. The AG player goes for the weak point of any ganking operation and this has been very successful for him and he has nabbed a lot of loot from gankers there. The simple answer to the question is massed looters to do loot denial, it is the only way to defeat this ganker. I have not whined, I have not moaned, I just pointed it out, the moaning has come from the gankers who accuse me of being worse than the ganker for nabbing the loot. Hilarious. But it was certainly interesting to see that these so called HTFU AG are whiners and had no clue at all and hence are the ranting whiners. So please guys, understand what the game is before opening your fat mouths on stupid statements like this: > [@Jerry\_Falcone](#): > > While i’m not a fan of ganker or griefers, more so dislike griefers than gankers. There is room for Antigankers if done correctly and without posting salt. I feel like the AntiG community is nothing but salty lil bitches. > I commend KM for doing what he feels is necessary to help the overall environment of new eden, even if that means moving away from whatever some of you call Anti G. I feel as though the AntiG community should be some sort of pirate like community that generally goes after the gankers, but not be whiny salty assholes in the process. > > The sad part is, im less a fan of the AntiG community than i am the gankers. and I feel like this topic, was really brought down thanks to Drac. Let me be clear however, i’m not a ganker, or Antiganker or griefer. I’ve been griefed and i been ganked… but I enjoy the game. Unless AntiGanking community could turn into less salty and more productive in how they operate, i probably could never understand them… sad to say, after all this time playing, i understand CODE. still don’t like them, but it is what it is. Whining indeed… ---
**Author:** ![Australian\_Excellence](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/australian_excellence/32/367782_2.png) [@Australian\_Excellence](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Australian_Excellence)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2020, 6:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/385 "2020-02-19T06:54:08Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > I have been there a couple of days with my alts supporting that player when we had a war dec, and for times we made him dock up and halt his ganking Who honestly believes that coming from a guy who constantly lies? In reality you were prolly sitting there all day for days and he docked a couple of times to go eat or something > [@Dracvlad](#): > > The AG player goes for the weak point of any ganking operation and this has been very successful for him and he has nabbed a lot of loot from gankers there. Stopped no ganks and just sits there and steals loot. So another thief. Funny how you’re always involved in nothing but the thieving part drac > [@Dracvlad](#): > > it is the only way to defeat this ganker. If I showed up he wouldnt be ganking very long, even you believe this. The problem is the antigankers being trash players, not the mechanics > [@Dracvlad](#): > > I have not whined, I have not moaned, I just pointed it out. You are the biggest moaning whiner on this forum. How many threads and posts have you cried about ganking lmao? > [@Dracvlad](#): > > understand what the game is before opening your fat mouths on stupid statements Look at a mirror kid, you’ll see a giant failure thats never stopped a single gank ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2020, 6:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/386 "2020-02-19T06:55:04Z")
> [@Australian\_Excellence](#): > > Stopped no ganks and just sits there and steals loot. The salt, here it is, this gets him so mad. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219.md?page=17) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219.md?page=19)