# My contribution to the "Highsec Lobby" initiative **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [February 12, 2020, 7:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219 "2020-02-12T07:46:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 20
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2020, 8:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/407 "2020-02-19T08:12:11Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > I hope they can do it soon, because it is never good to leave such things open like that. Well there is a bit of common ground. ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2020, 8:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/408 "2020-02-19T08:13:27Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > First of all I don’t have grandchildren, and I don’t expect to be around when they arrive, that is pretty much certain. That doesn’t sound very good man. Are you sick or something? ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2020, 8:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/409 "2020-02-19T08:53:53Z")
I will send you an eve mail. I should not have said that, being ironic in a dark moment was wrong of me. ---
**Author:** ![Australian\_Excellence](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/australian_excellence/32/367782_2.png) [@Australian\_Excellence](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Australian_Excellence)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2020, 9:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/410 "2020-02-19T09:56:43Z")
Dark moment lmao, you ■■■■■■■ loser 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2020, 9:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/411 "2020-02-19T09:57:33Z")
I wondered when you would come along to gloat. ---
**Author:** ![Australian\_Excellence](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/australian_excellence/32/367782_2.png) [@Australian\_Excellence](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Australian_Excellence)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2020, 9:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/412 "2020-02-19T09:58:20Z")
u mad ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2020, 9:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/413 "2020-02-19T09:58:30Z")
Amused. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2020, 12:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/415 "2020-02-19T12:10:30Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > But Aiko Danuja would be one example. Like many code players she usually hangs out a few jumps out of some starter systems and targets mainly ventures with the odd T1 barge. Yeah that is rather telling as killboards go. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2020, 1:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/416 "2020-02-19T13:15:56Z")
A few quick points. 1. Most of the Ventures I kill are not ‘new’ players. Many of them have been playing the game longer than I have. Furthermore, even if they are ‘new’ players. So what? Someone has to kill them, and it might as well be me. Killing new players is how you keep them interested in the game, because a PvP game without PvP is boring and not worth playing. Noobs don’t buy mining permits because they are getting scammed, they pay because they had fun, and they like me. 2. I have participated in 2199 kills, with a total isk value of 962 billion, averaging 437.5 million isk per target. Wow, those are some expensive Ventures. You might want to note that killboard has a stats page, which shows that frigates (including both combat frigates and Ventures) account for only 15% of the ships I’ve targeted. Clearly, that’s not my “predominant” target. 3. I’m not going out of my way to ‘target’ Ventures, but if they’re there, I shoot them the same as anyone else would do with an illegal miner. It’s not my fault if you idiot miners keep encouraging each other to fly stuff that I kill, in a place where I am going to kill it. 4. It doesn’t actually matter what we shoot, you idiots always find some excuse to complain. Ganking rattlesnakes? You’ll cry that they are PvE fit. Ganking blingy haulers? You’ll cry that ganking is unbalanced and needs another nerf. Ganking empty haulers? You cry about that too. Ganking orcas? You’ll claim we deliberately caused lag by warping so many Catalysts at once. Ganking PvP ships? You’ll cry about how we tethered on a citadel. No matter what ship it is, you will complain that some poor ‘new’ player was taken advantage of, and that it was far too easy for the ganker. Nevermind that anyone can easily avoid ganks by following the CODE, fitting their ship properly, and actually being at their keyboard. Every Venture I kill could have simply warped away. It’s not that hard to do. 5. I don’t hear anyone crying about all the poor Ventures who die in wormholes, low sec, or null sec, where they are often targeted by a large blob, often composed of the very same people who are flying Ventures in highsec. In contrast to the blobbers, I kill the Venture myself, while under attack by faction police, CONCORD, and the antigankers who only have to ECM or warp disrupt in order to claim a ‘kill’. Indeed, ganking Ventures in high sec is elite PvP, far more elite than whoring on a Titan or Fortizar like some people are proud of. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2020, 1:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/417 "2020-02-19T13:32:46Z")
> **[Capsule | Justin Kusion | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/81694536/)** > > Justin Kusion (KUSION SPECIAL TEAM) lost their Capsule in Uedama (The Citadel). Final Blow by Catu (L O B) flying in a Thrasher. Total Value: 10,000.00 ISK It takes two antigankers to kill a pod, with the help of a ganker 🙄 Nice job Dracvlad, they couldn’t have done it without your extra 0% damage. ---
**Author:** ![Australian\_Excellence](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/australian_excellence/32/367782_2.png) [@Australian\_Excellence](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Australian_Excellence)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2020, 2:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/418 "2020-02-19T14:06:11Z")
He stopped the gank, by being there to crush Jasons empty pods Who said he isnt a nice guy? Nice of him to help get his pods back to station quicker ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2020, 2:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/419 "2020-02-19T14:36:33Z")
Just now we saw a Nomad being bumped, we got there and just managed to set up, nabbed a Occator and the whole lot went boom, loot denial perfectly done. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2020, 2:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/420 "2020-02-19T14:54:40Z")
I’m sure the Nomad pilot is thrilled 🥳 AG fails again (daily)! ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2020, 3:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/421 "2020-02-19T15:01:40Z")
You think that is a fail, LMAO. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2020, 3:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/422 "2020-02-19T15:02:24Z")
Of course that’s a fail, you didn’t kill a ganker… hahaha, you killed a miner! LOLOLOLOL Miners can’t be gankers, don’t be silly. ---
**Author:** ![Australian\_Excellence](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/australian_excellence/32/367782_2.png) [@Australian\_Excellence](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Australian_Excellence)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2020, 3:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/423 "2020-02-19T15:08:40Z")
The funny thing is I’m pretty sure that occator isn’t even the gankers. It’s a third party thief lmao You didn’t even deny them the loot, they already messed up and let some other idiot take it 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2020, 3:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/424 "2020-02-19T15:09:50Z")
“Loot denial” a fancy way of saying “We didn’t stop the gank.” That poor miner just wanted to replace his rorquals 😆 ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2020, 3:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/425 "2020-02-19T15:14:00Z")
> [@Australian\_Excellence](#): > > The funny thing is I’m pretty sure that occator isn’t even the gankers. It’s a third party thief lmao > > You didn’t even deny them the loot, they already messed up and let some other idiot take it I had the Charon locked up and he bottled it. > [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > Loot denial” a fancy way of saying “We didn’t stop the gank.” Who said we were trying to stop the gank? ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2020, 3:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/426 "2020-02-19T15:15:37Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > Who said we were trying to stop the gank? You did when you called yourselves ‘antigankers’. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2020, 3:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/427 "2020-02-19T15:19:00Z")
Anti- Gankers as in against the gankers, does not say Save Ganked, that would be SG, do you want to call us LD now then? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219.md?page=19) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219.md?page=21)