# My contribution to the "Highsec Lobby" initiative **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [February 12, 2020, 7:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219 "2020-02-12T07:46:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 22
**Author:** ![Yberta\_Molk](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yberta_molk/32/273039_2.png) [@Yberta\_Molk](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yberta_Molk)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2020, 5:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/448 "2020-02-19T17:29:01Z")
> **[Rookie Griefing](https://support.eveonline.com/hc/en-us/articles/203209712-Rookie-Griefing)** > > Getting started in EVE Online can be somewhat daunting for new players or rookies. Several systems in which new players typically start are deemed 'Rookie System' and in these systems (listed below... ---
**Author:** ![Yberta\_Molk](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yberta_molk/32/273039_2.png) [@Yberta\_Molk](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yberta_Molk)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2020, 5:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/449 "2020-02-19T17:29:30Z")
Oops, u posted already 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2020, 5:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/450 "2020-02-19T17:32:39Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > And it’s especially effective when you can personally profit from “denying” the loot by taking it yourself instead of giving it back to the victim of the gank? As long as it is denied to gankers I don’t care what happens to it. As for me personally profiting, I have not actually taken any loot for myself as I don’t need the ISK. > [@Ugren\_Okaski](#): > > Of course, since then it also directly funds Anti-Ganking operations and does not lead to victims always demanding compensation from AG. The ISK received from loot denial is used to assist AG operations. I have never heard of any one demanding that we give them ISK for their loot which we denied to gankers. ---
**Author:** ![Ugren\_Okaski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ugren_okaski/32/181459_2.png) [@Ugren\_Okaski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ugren_Okaski)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2020, 5:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/451 "2020-02-19T17:34:26Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > The ISK received from loot denial is used to assist AG operations. I have never heard of any one demanding that we give them ISK for their loot which we denied to gankers. That’s what I wrote, right. If you did, in general, give loot back, then you would be subject to more compensation requests than successful loot denials. ---
**Author:** ![Galaxy\_Pig](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/galaxy_pig/32/374625_2.png) [@Galaxy\_Pig](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Galaxy_Pig)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2020, 5:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/452 "2020-02-19T17:38:25Z")
This is all pretty funny considering the fact that that article is worded the way it is because of my activities in Arnon. The old wording only forbade people from messing with the mission runners, so I ganked noobs freely there. When I recieved a formal warning for killing noobs there, I had to file a million tickets but I eventually got the disciplinary action removed from my character’s record and actually received an apology from a developer. That’s right. An apology. From a dev. 😐 The next day the rookie griefing policy was reworded to _actually_ forbid killing \<30 day characters in Arnon, so I stopped. Now, if you live in Arnon, you have to wait til your 31st day in the game to feel the warm embrace of James 315’s antimatter. Anyway, I digress… At this point I’m gonna go ahead and encourage you to file a support ticket to ask a GM. As he/she will tell you exactly the same thing that I’ve told you here. Have a great day! ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2020, 5:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/453 "2020-02-19T17:39:34Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > As long as it is denied to gankers I don’t care what happens to it. So you’re fine with AG being a bunch of thieves who steal from the people you are claiming to “protect”. Nice moral high ground there. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2020, 5:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/454 "2020-02-19T17:47:47Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > Hmm so who would people accept as right here in terms of AG policy, someone who is a ganker, or someone in AG. Youve already admitted you were wrong, so what more is there to say? ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2020, 5:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/455 "2020-02-19T17:52:20Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > So you’re fine with AG being a bunch of thieves who steal from the people you are claiming to “protect”. Nice moral high ground there. I have no idea why you seem to think that moral high ground as defined by you a ganker shrill matters one bit to me. > [@Ugren\_Okaski](#): > > That’s what I wrote, right. OK > [@Ugren\_Okaski](#): > > If you did, in general, give loot back, then you would be subject to more compensation requests than successful loot denials. I have personally given loot back a few times but I am generally not one of the actual scoopers, I tend to be pointing the ganker loot scoopers. > [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > Youve already admitted you were wrong, so what more is there to say? Don’t recall me saying I was wrong anywhere, but if you want to claim victory then go ahead. > [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > It takes two antigankers to kill a pod, with the help of a ganker 🙄 > > Nice job Dracvlad, they couldn’t have done it without your extra 0% damage. Just making sure that this Thrasher could have fun with pods. But get a load of this one: > **[Occator | kpe3u | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/81752385/)** > > kpe3u (Wiskey Brothers) lost their Occator in Niarja (Domain). Final Blow by Daijiro Sakai (WHoliday Campaign) flying in a Gnosis. Total Value: 32,541,059,395.84 ISK That is what it is all about. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2020, 5:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/456 "2020-02-19T17:56:03Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > Don’t recall me saying I was wrong anywhere, but if you want to claim victory then go ahead. > [@Dracvlad](#): > > Who said we were trying to stop the gank? > [@Dracvlad](#): > > Stopping ganks is of course the aim when it is possible. Pretty much that. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2020, 6:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/457 "2020-02-19T18:00:29Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > Who said we were trying to stop **the** gank? Referring to the Nomad, I could hardly do that in a Devoter could I? You see the word THE don’t you? > [@Dracvlad](#): > > Stopping ganks is of course the aim when it is possible. If possible yes. > [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > Pretty much that. Pretty much wordsmithing… ---
**Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2020, 6:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/458 "2020-02-19T18:08:49Z")
> Enjoying the wardecs? You mean the exploits? Well I’m playing other games while I wait it out, but I certainly don’t enjoy the dozens of players who are quitting the game over them. ---
**Author:** ![Ugren\_Okaski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ugren_okaski/32/181459_2.png) [@Ugren\_Okaski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ugren_Okaski)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2020, 6:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/459 "2020-02-19T18:09:41Z")
> [@Sabus\_Narian](#): > > I certainly don’t enjoy the dozens of players who are quitting the game over them. Why these players cannot just return to NPC corp? ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Alar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_alar/32/228859_2.png) [@Destiny\_Alar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Alar)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2020, 6:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/460 "2020-02-19T18:11:35Z")
> [@Nathan\_Galbadia](#): > > Can we get some screenshots of the local rage? Maybe a nice video with jaunty tunes and bouncing orcas? no because there isnt any, because he is full of ■■■■ XD ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2020, 6:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/461 "2020-02-19T18:38:26Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > Pretty much wordsmithing… You mean your own words, yes. It must suck to say something and then regret it because you are an idiot and shouldnt have said it. I cant relate to it at all, but it sure must suck. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2020, 6:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/462 "2020-02-19T18:47:33Z")
> [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > You mean your own words, yes. > > It must suck to say something and then regret it because you are an idiot and shouldnt have said it. I cant relate to it at all, but it sure must suck. You still have not noticed that I used the word THE, as in the gank of the Nomad. Reading and comprehension is obviously a bit of a fail today for you. Oh by the way they lost out on the real loot, though the Occator belonged to Bamos which was two sets of gankers hazed in one go. Marvellous… ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2020, 6:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/463 "2020-02-19T18:53:10Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > You still have not noticed that I used the word THE, as in the gank of the Nomad. So youre seriously going to try and tell me, that if you couldve stopped the ganking of that nomad, you wouldnt have? ---
**Author:** ![Ugren\_Okaski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ugren_okaski/32/181459_2.png) [@Ugren\_Okaski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ugren_Okaski)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2020, 8:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/464 "2020-02-19T20:16:27Z")
> [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > So youre seriously going to try and tell me, that if you couldve stopped the ganking of that nomad, you wouldnt have? Sadly, from purely economical standpoint for AG, letting the gank go through is better than stopping it, which means that this activity is unreliable. To combat this, one can implement a system of donations; people who donated will then obtain a guarantee that AG will try their hardest to stop ganks on them, which is reinforced economically by sending donated money to AG member who successfully prevented the gank. ---
**Author:** ![Amy\_Undergood](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/amy_undergood/32/335680_2.png) [@Amy\_Undergood](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Amy_Undergood)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2020, 8:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/465 "2020-02-19T20:18:43Z")
> [@Ugren\_Okaski](#): > > people who donated will then obtain a guarantee that AG will try their hardest to stop ganks on them, which is reinforced economically by sending donated money to AG member who successfully prevented the gank That’s an even worse deal than a mining permit lmao. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2020, 8:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/466 "2020-02-19T20:31:21Z")
> [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > So youre seriously going to try and tell me, that if you couldve stopped the ganking of that nomad, you wouldnt have? I was in a devoter, how the hell am I supposed to stop a gank by multiple Talos’s? And none of them were low security status either. Dream on… ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2020, 9:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/467 "2020-02-19T21:22:36Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > I have no idea why you seem to think that moral high ground as defined by you a ganker shrill matters one bit to me. Wait, you think I actually _like_ gankers? That’s hilariously wrong. I think they’re a bunch of mediocre players who only succeed because of the sheer stupidity of EVE’s worst players. I just think they’re one step above hypocritical thugs like you, since they’re at least honest about the fact that their goal is to take people’s stuff. > [@Sabus\_Narian](#): > > You mean the exploits? Well I’m playing other games while I wait it out, but I certainly don’t enjoy the dozens of players who are quitting the game over them. HAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHHA. JFC you’re a terrible CEO. Your corp is dying, your members are quitting, and instead of providing leadership you’re off playing other games to hide from responsibility. Looks like you’re another piece of \*\*\*\* coward who wants all the glory of being a leader but none of the work. Do your corp a favor and quit EVE forever. > [@Amy\_Undergood](#): > > That’s an even worse deal than a mining permit lmao. But they’re anti-ganking, so it’s totally not extortion just like the people they claim to oppose… [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219.md?page=21) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219.md?page=23)