# My contribution to the "Highsec Lobby" initiative **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [February 12, 2020, 7:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219 "2020-02-12T07:46:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 25
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2020, 5:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/510 "2020-02-20T17:57:05Z")
I don’t care what you say and think. If you start to lose loot you will start to have issues. > [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > To quote Jason Kusion, “If I wanted isk, I’d just retrain all my accounts to fly rorquals… or even better, I could just buy some PLEX.” And here is the win, while sitting in Rorquals he is not ganking. So if he ends up having to Rorqual mine to be able to gank then win win win. But you are behind the times, Rorqual mining is no longer the same cash cow… ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2020, 6:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/511 "2020-02-20T18:02:08Z")
How many accounts large is the Kushion family? I am sure he can not both gank and mine at the same time, can he? ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2020, 6:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/512 "2020-02-20T18:03:25Z")
What are you yapping about now, Mr. “I dont care what people think, but I spend all day spamming the forum by responding to every single sentence people write, such that people have to work in shifts just to deal with all my erroneous thoughts… but I don’t care if anyone cares what I think, I’m just gonna put all my half-formed thoughts out there anyways…” Gankers do NOT care about loot. They really don’t. Any real ganker, anyone with any real dignity, does not give a damn about the loot. They don’t care about the isk. They don’t care about the money. They only care about killing stupid carebears. We don’t kill your ship because it is blingy, we kill it because you are the pilot. It’s personal. Talk to James if you want to know how he feels. ---
**Author:** ![Ugren\_Okaski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ugren_okaski/32/181459_2.png) [@Ugren\_Okaski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ugren_Okaski)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2020, 6:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/513 "2020-02-20T18:03:47Z")
> [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](#): > > I am sure he can not both gank and mine at the same time Both actions require you to be at your keyboard, so probably no. However, mining with Rorquals is not the only way to get ISK for ganks. ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2020, 6:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/514 "2020-02-20T18:08:54Z")
> [@Ugren\_Okaski](#): > > Both actions require you to be at your keyboard, so probably no. > > However, mining with Rorquals is not the only way to get ISK for ganks. I am pretty sure he can handle an (semi)AFK Rorq while looking for gank targets. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2020, 6:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/515 "2020-02-20T18:10:27Z")
Here, this is from today’s issue of [www.minerbumping.com](http://www.minerbumping.com) Only carebears think ganking is about isk. ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/d/0/d06cd73fa0588750d2c910592345c647dc7efd8a.png) Gankers gank for the aesthetics. We want a nice clean high sec, no miners allowed. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2020, 7:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/516 "2020-02-20T19:05:51Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > What are you yapping about now, Mr. “I dont care what people think, but I spend all day spamming the forum by responding to every single sentence people write, such that people have to work in shifts just to deal with all my erroneous thoughts… but I don’t care if anyone cares what I think, I’m just gonna put all my half-formed thoughts out there anyways…” You seem a bit mad at our approach. > [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > Gankers do NOT care about loot. They really don’t. Any real ganker, anyone with any real dignity, does not give a damn about the loot. Why do you bother picking it up then, why do they get so salty about it saying those people should not steal my loot. And I am still waiting on being killed because I am the pilot. > [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > Here, this is from today’s issue of [www.minerbumping.com](http://www.minerbumping.com) > > Only carebears think ganking is about isk. Did you send that mail to yourself? PvP requires ISK, lets see how you do scrabbling around for ISK once that large pot starts to dwindle a bit. ---
**Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2020, 8:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/517 "2020-02-20T20:52:44Z")
> Now as @sabus_narian he is doing whatever it is that his latest scam is, and consequences happen. This thread was a great example of that until it’s gone to crap in the last 3 days. Lol I’m not that dude 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2020, 8:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/518 "2020-02-20T20:58:17Z")
> [@Sabus\_Narian](#): > > Lol I’m not that dude OK, my apology. I think it’s been a bit of a given that you are, but if not, ignore my inference there. No one who isn’t Naari deserves to be associated with him. ---
**Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2020, 8:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/519 "2020-02-20T20:59:11Z")
> [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > OK, my apology. I think it’s been a bit of a given that you are, but if not, ignore my inference there. > > No one who isn’t Naari deserves to be associated with him. No problem, that 100% tax move that you quoted is a dumb way to get people to pvp, I’d never do it, hence why I’m not him. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2020, 10:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/521 "2020-02-20T22:05:20Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > But it doesn’t matter what you were telling a handful of people to go to. Due to awoxing existing most decent corps had a zero newbies policy, which means that when newbies were running around saying “need corp”, the one they were being invited to were badly run. I’m really not sure what you are arguing here, this is well established fact. Yep, that was what happened, it was bad for Eve. In any case people can still awox, they just have to go do it outside of hisec, which is a bit more daunting for that type of player. ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2020, 10:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/522 "2020-02-20T22:42:21Z")
> [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > OK, my apology. I think it’s been a bit of a given that you are, but if not, ignore my inference there. > > No one who isn’t Naari deserves to be associated with him. But he is. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2020, 10:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/523 "2020-02-20T22:56:01Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > I think it is a wonderful example how your putrid mind works, gankers blow up ships passing through to steal their loot, we try to oppose them to stop them from ganking and in your mind we are worse than the gankers. You know what the difference is? Gankers blow up ships to steal their loot, and are honest about the fact that their goal is to kill people and take their stuff. Anti-gankers wait for someone else to blow up a ship for them and then steal the victim’s loot, while congratulating themselves on how morally superior they are because they didn’t personally fire the fatal shot. Both of you are thieving scum, but the gankers at least get credit for honesty. ---
**Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2020, 11:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/524 "2020-02-20T23:19:21Z")
> But he is. Nope, and since you don’t have proof we all know your lying 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Australian\_Excellence](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/australian_excellence/32/367782_2.png) [@Australian\_Excellence](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Australian_Excellence)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2020, 12:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/525 "2020-02-21T00:14:45Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > And here is the win, while sitting in Rorquals he is not ganking. So if he ends up having to Rorqual mine to be able to gank then win win win. You missed the entire point, so dumb 😅 Kusion has over a tril in just liquid isk, he couldn’t care less about isk anymore, as long as the gank succeeds hes happy. So since you lot fail nonstop and never save anyone from being ganked, hes always happy lmao ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2020, 12:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/526 "2020-02-21T00:23:48Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Not exactly, she was saying new players should organise into groups. Most of those that did back when there was awoxing ended up getting awoxed. Now new players can actually group up wthout that same risk. No, that was exactly your response, verbatim. But lets just chalk that up to you being hyperbolic. So, how do you know that “most of those that did back when there was awoxing ended up getting awoxed.” Please, provide your reasoning or evidence for that claim. How do you know it was most? > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > When did I say you were a bittervet? Because your comment wouldnt make any sense otherwise. You said that People like me are the problem because we are opposed to any change that CCP could use to bring in different types of players. All the while, saying im a newbie. Youre saying that im new, but at the same time that I am resistant to change. How does that work? > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > I’m not, I’m reading your posts. Clearly, you are not. Otherwise, you wouldnt have said something so stupid as to accuse me of being a disturbed individual merely for suggesting that other players exist. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > You’re against it having more content suited to the playstyles in highsec. I’m sure you’d love more content if it meant making highsec more like nullsec. No, for example, im all for more PvE content in hisec. Theres another assumption of yours going off the rails again. Also, I very much dislike how mining and ratting in nullsec has become, and id hate for hisec to become like that. Again, another failed assumption on your part. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > The zkillboard ganked page is not even remotely accurate, because they won’t show as ganks if there’s not a concord kill on the killers, and I think there will only usually be a concord kill if someone gets on it. When you blap a venture, noone usually gets in on your concord mail. > **[Catalyst | MEWGA Gangbang5 | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/81776534/)** > > MEWGA Gangbang5 (Forward Edge of Battle Area) lost their Catalyst in Bika (Domain) Total Value: 12,336,288.14 ISK Although you are wrong about it only coming out on zkillboard if someone else other than concord gets on it, feel free to provide a better avenue for evidence. I provided one, you dispute it, but you are the one making the claim that New Players are being targetted more. Please, feel free to provide the evidence for your claims. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > This can be demonstrated by looking at the code alliance kills for today which shows a lot more frigates. Please explain your chain of logic here. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Have you look at the graph Scipio provided? Pretty much every time this topic comes up people roll out data proving it, and every time people that support gankers conveniently forget about it. No, I have not. Feel free to post it, and i will look at it and respond. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Sure, but a newbie is far more likely to be flying around in 90% of their stuff because if they want to engage with content they require stuff. When you’re a veteran you have a lot more but you’re unlikely to even be flying a fraction of your assets around. Only in the context of a new player who only owns a single ship and is flying around in it. Then, yes, that ship constitutes as him flying around in a ship with 90% of his stuff. But once you get into the realm of one month, two month old players and more, which we can still call as new players, they are no longer going to be flying around with their stuff, it will be relatively scattered. Of course, this is all irrelevant as to the fact that it doesnt matter if a blinged out ship consists of 90%, or 20% of your stuff, as players still rage and cry and quit after losing ships and modules. An expensive loss is still expensive, and players will still rage and cry over it. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > The fact that you have the clip so readily to hand suggests you do. Yes, you are right. After all, Google search doesnt exist, and therefore the only way I could possibly have found a clip like that is if i had it in my folder and listening to it every day. Are you being serious or are you really this stupid? > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Maybe next time I should consider whether on not responding to trolls like yourself is worth the time. Your implication was that it was easy and thus not a worry to deal with new characters. That’s obviously false given how awoxing used to work. Ah, of course. Someone doesnt agree with you and writes a well-reasoned argument against you, you reply back but start to realize youre in the wrong, so now you label your opponent a troll and refuse to respond. Sure, kid. You can tell yourself that, you can tell the other people in the forums that, but everyone, including yourself, know its false. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > But it doesn’t matter what you were telling a handful of people to go to. Due to awoxing existing most decent corps had a zero newbies policy, which means that when newbies were running around saying “need corp”, the one they were being invited to were badly run. I’m really not sure what you are arguing here, this is well established fact. I have more replies in New Player Q & A than you do in General Discussion. I gauruntee you i have told more new players on this forums where to go than you have. But why dont you put up or shut up. Give me an example of a decent corp that you can demonstrate did not accept new players because of Awoxing concerns. ---
**Author:** ![Tradulix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tradulix/32/275143_2.png) [@Tradulix](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tradulix)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2020, 1:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/527 "2020-02-21T01:08:52Z")
Nice, it will provide easy content for some player. 🙂 … and hundreds of tearzzzz … 😛 At least I have to get the balls, to enter the dangerous highsec - let the hunt begin! ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2020, 6:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/528 "2020-02-21T06:41:15Z")
Haha, the moral equivalence attack. You are clearly suffering from AGDS, because if the gankers were not ganking we would not be either blowing up the loot or nabbing it before them. And to call thieves honest is even more glorious. As I said to you before, I have my own ISK, and if the person logs or refuses a convo, it is not our fault. Perhaps you want to blame us for that too? > [@Australian\_Excellence](#): > > Kusion has over a tril in just liquid isk, he couldn’t care less about isk anymore, as long as the gank succeeds hes happy. So since you lot fail nonstop and never save anyone from being ganked, hes always happy lmao Over a trillion ISK, just goes to show how broken bumping was. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2020, 6:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/529 "2020-02-21T06:51:04Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > Haha, the moral equivalence attack. What moral equivalence? Nowhere did I say that the two sides are equivalent. I said that the AG side is pathetic trash in comparison to even criminal scum like gankers. You only wish you could be elevated to equivalency. > And to call thieves honest is even more glorious. What’s so wrong about that? Gankers openly and honestly say “I’m killing these people and taking their stuff”. The fact that you don’t like what they’re doing doesn’t make them any less honest about it. > As I said to you before, I have my own ISK, and if the person logs or refuses a convo, it is not our fault. Stop making excuses for your theft. You could easily contract their loot back to them for zero ISK, no conversation needed. But you won’t, because you don’t care about the victims AGs steal from. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2020, 6:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/530 "2020-02-21T06:53:32Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > Over a trillion ISK, just goes to show how broken bumping was. So if Kusion has a lot of isk, then you claim that ganking should be nerfed. If Kusion has no isk, then you claim that you are victorious. Do you ever critically analyze your own thoughts? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219.md?page=24) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219.md?page=26)