# My contribution to the "Highsec Lobby" initiative **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [February 12, 2020, 7:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219 "2020-02-12T07:46:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 28
**Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2020, 3:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/578 "2020-02-21T15:04:31Z")
> [@Knowledgeminer](#): > > What a ■■■■■■■ utterly dishonest piece of ■■■■ you are… > > Of course I have been aggressive and insulting there, just like I’m being now, and with good reason. Where have I said you where lying about _that_ ? What does that have to do with all the _other_ lies you tell and stuff you make up about me? Woah chill bro ---
**Author:** ![R-0-B-0-C-O-P](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/r-0-b-0-c-o-p/32/474175_2.png) [@R-0-B-0-C-O-P](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/R-0-B-0-C-O-P)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2020, 3:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/579 "2020-02-21T15:06:34Z")
If one were to read this entire thread, it’d be easy to forget what it’s about and who made it. @Dracvlad I like you, and I think the feeling is mutual but the white knighting is a little heavy handed here. Let the man have this thread as his place to update for his project / activity. ---
**Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2020, 3:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/580 "2020-02-21T15:08:13Z")
> [@R-0-B-0-C-O-P](#): > > I like you, and I think the feeling is mutual but the white knighting is a little heavy handed here. Let the man have this thread as his place to update for his project / activity. I think what Draclav is most angry about is his claims to be an anti-ganker and protector of miners, while he spends his time ganking and bumping miners. Hence his banning form the anti-gank thread and his hostility when knowledge attacks him. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2020, 4:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/582 "2020-02-21T16:16:57Z")
[![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/6/3/636c31ba45b984271cb11cb90f673dd77327b528.gif) ](https://media.giphy.com/media/6ZXoMtHImZOgw/giphy.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Knowledgeminer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/knowledgeminer/32/422883_2.png) [@Knowledgeminer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Knowledgeminer)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2020, 4:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/583 "2020-02-21T16:57:00Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > Let me start linking then: Oh, look what great examples… One thread where the original post was an unreadable wall of text with no paragraphs nor proper punctuation, where everybody that replied expressed basically the same opinion as me, where my “insult” consisted of saying that the post was unreadable (which it was)… **and which was immediately locked by an ISD for breaking the forum rules…** Another thread where the OP didn’t say anything about ship visuals in the original post, but rather that he wanted to have versions of the ships he likes _that do already exist_ and to which, after being told so, replied that his post wasn’t about what everyone understood at first, but rather about _wanting new ships for visual reasons only_… Totally not childish and my reply telling him to grow up so “insulting”… Man, keep providing more examples like these to “prove” your point, please. It’s all so enlightening… > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Sure, if you cherry pick from only this thread What cherry picking? I’m telling you that I’m happy with _you_ cherry picking anything you want yourself, like the “examples” Dracvlad provided. Don’t you agree those examples are great and “prove” your point? C’mon, with every thread in which I’ve participated _except this one_ being such good examples, I’m sure you may come up with a few good picks of your own too… > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > you can continue to pretend it;s because Dracvlad said things you disagree with. See? Things like this are what make your posts utter gibberish. What does whether I agree with Dracvlad or not have to do with anything? You don’t see anything wrong with calling “disagreement” what is actually a _lie_, do you? > [@Sabus\_Narian](#): > > I think what Draclav is most angry about is his claims to be an anti-ganker and protector of miners, while he spends his time ganking and bumping miners. Hence his banning form the anti-gank thread and his hostility when knowledge attacks him. ROFL. I’ve never claimed to protect miners. Actually, I’ve publicly stated multiple times that I _use_ miners to catch gankers. If I cared whether the miners die to the gankers, I would try to warn them in local when there are gankers around and I know they’re about to be ganked, which I never do. Actually, I may not even decloak and happily let the miner die if I think I may get the ganker’s scout when he goes suspect. Morevoer, sometimes the miner I’m guarding has the great idea of becoming suspect as a result of looting some yellow wreck, and when that happens I kill him myself… I’ve now started to bump and gank miners, yes, but only if they’re related to your corp one way or another. Otherwise, I do still anti-gank the same as before, only I spend less time doing that now because I’m often busy with you. And finally, that’s not exactly the reason I was banned from AG either. The “reasons” given were rather bizarre, one of them being that I collect tears “minerbumping style”, simply because I posted what was going on the very same day that you were claiming you were countering my bumping, so everyone reading the thread could see whether your claims were true or not. The thing is I wouldn’t have posted that if you hadn’t claimed I wasn’t able to bump your “bump immune” fits in the first place, which is easy to verify by noting that I said I didn’t intend to keep doing that at the very beginning of that post and by the fact that I haven’t written any other post like that _even after having been banned_. I posted it for purely informative reasons relevant to the discussion that was taking place at the moment, but that post hurt AG feelings and I was banned as a result. This is all really going to be yet another example of AG nonsense for posterity… ---
**Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2020, 4:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/584 "2020-02-21T16:58:20Z")
> ■■■■ off idiot. Lol angry angry, you ok bro? ---
**Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2020, 5:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/585 "2020-02-21T17:06:08Z")
> ROFL. I’ve never claimed to protect miners. Then that’s why you were banned from anti gank, why are you so angry about that? ---
**Author:** ![Knowledgeminer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/knowledgeminer/32/422883_2.png) [@Knowledgeminer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Knowledgeminer)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2020, 5:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/586 "2020-02-21T17:08:50Z")
ROFLMAO. You don’t understand a thing. Again, neither is that why I was banned, nor am I angry about it. Why would I? I’m happy to not be there anymore… What enrages me is Dracvlad **lying** and making up stuff about me all the time, **not** having been banned from AG channels… ---
**Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2020, 5:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/587 "2020-02-21T17:10:37Z")
> ROFLMAO. You don’t understand a thing. Again, neither is that why I was banned, nor am I angry about it. Why would I? I’m happy to not be there anymore… What enrages me is Dracvlad **lying** and making up stuff about me all the time, **not** having been banned from AG channels… I doubt he is lying, especially knowing you. If you don’t like it then maybe don’t be a bumper/ganker? If not then deal with the reputation. ---
**Author:** ![Knowledgeminer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/knowledgeminer/32/422883_2.png) [@Knowledgeminer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Knowledgeminer)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2020, 5:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/588 "2020-02-21T17:11:46Z")
🤪 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Knowledgeminer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/knowledgeminer/32/422883_2.png) [@Knowledgeminer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Knowledgeminer)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2020, 5:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/590 "2020-02-21T17:13:56Z")
‘Seems’ (to people like you) being the key term here… ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2020, 10:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/592 "2020-02-21T22:23:06Z")
> [@Knowledgeminer](#): > > What a ■■■■■■■ utterly dishonest piece of ■■■■ you are… I saw something Knowledgeminer posted was hidden by Dracvlad, so I figured it would be good, and I’ve decided it’s worth repeating here. ---
**Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2020, 10:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/593 "2020-02-21T22:50:18Z")
> Sure, because I don’t know you in person and so can’t give too much insight into what makes you tick. All I can do is see what on here sets you off, and when people disagree with you, you fly off the handle. Bittervets be raging 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Ugren\_Okaski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ugren_okaski/32/181459_2.png) [@Ugren\_Okaski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ugren_Okaski)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2020, 6:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/594 "2020-02-22T18:46:32Z")
> [@Sabus\_Narian](#): > > Then that’s why you were banned from anti gank, why are you so angry about that? Anti-Ganking is not necessarily synonymous to Pro-Mining. ---
**Author:** ![Magalaus\_Shardani](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/magalaus_shardani/32/399592_2.png) [@Magalaus\_Shardani](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Magalaus_Shardani)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2020, 7:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/595 "2020-02-22T19:09:12Z")
i cant find it in all the word slaying in this thread but somewhere someone said SICO was bumping and harassing non-SICO miners in audaerne, heres proof since sabus denied it. [https://i.imgur.com/DZegENy.png](https://i.imgur.com/DZegENy.png) ---
**Author:** ![Ugren\_Okaski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ugren_okaski/32/181459_2.png) [@Ugren\_Okaski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ugren_Okaski)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2020, 7:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/596 "2020-02-22T19:20:52Z")
SiCode, hm? ---
**Author:** ![Galaxy\_Pig](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/galaxy_pig/32/374625_2.png) [@Galaxy\_Pig](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Galaxy_Pig)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2020, 1:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/597 "2020-02-23T01:04:01Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > I already demonstrated it statistically across the entire code alliance. This is a meaningless statement, Lucas. You’re not about to do that Dracvlad thing where you assert that your other assertion has been backed up in some previous thread, so you don’t need to back it up now, are you? ---
**Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2020, 5:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/599 "2020-02-23T17:57:02Z")
> [@Ugren\_Okaski](#): > > SiCode, hm? Oh snap they know! ---
**Author:** ![Valiran\_Teleros](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/valiran_teleros/32/504787_2.png) [@Valiran\_Teleros](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Valiran_Teleros)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2020, 12:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/600 "2020-02-24T00:47:08Z")
> [@R-0-B-0-C-O-P](#): > > I sympathize with you @Knowledgeminer. Nothing is more frustrating than eagerly trying to educate or help other players be BETTER players and then in turn to be cast aside as some kind of elitist. Holy crap, that reminds me of a TotalBiscuit video (rest in peace 😭) where he was ranting about someone calling him an elitist for suggesting they use a strategy guide for World of Warcraft (I think). The rant was pretty good, in my opinion, though I can’t find it ATM. Have a tweet instead: > > [@Knowledgeminer](#): > > I’m James 315 You know, I honestly wouldn’t care if you _were_ James 315 because you seem perfectly reasonable and willing to explain things to people who want to learn. > [@Jerry\_Falcone](#): > > It’s of no concern to me. and you would be right to assume that i’m not a multiboxer. I wear one pair of boxers at a time. …take your damn like and _get out_. > [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > You could have contracted the loot to him for zero ISK. You are a pathetic thief who isn’t even honest enough to admit that he is a thief. In light of the knowledge that Dracvlad supports stealing from gank victims, I hereby propose that he be banned from the AG channel as a toxic influence. > [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](#): > > Please, pretty please … do not say his name three times! Dare I ask who this guy is, that his very name inspires such fear? > [@Ugren\_Okaski](#): > > Given that there would be petitions to ban loyalanon’s new alts if they existed, this statement seems more truthful. I don’t believe it works that way. The only thing I know of that will get that kind of response from CCP is using a charity to scam people. [Quoth CCP Falcon](https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/4r7v82/eve_news_a_reminder_regarding_scamming_charity/d4yyvps/): “Anyone who uses charity as an excuse in any way shape or form to scam someone in EVE can say goodbye to every account, character and item they own, along with any chance they have of ever playing EVE again in future.” Since loyalanon never went anywhere close to that far, I doubt they have to worry about getting their other accounts banned if CCP figures out which ones they are, presuming they don’t already know. > [@Dracvlad](#): > > I have exchanged with this person multiple times as Loyalanon and as Australian Excellence. He is the same person without any doubt. As the player was banned of course they would deny it. Even if your theory is true, we don’t know why AE is denying it. The first reasonable explanation that comes to mind would be avoiding harassment from people who want to rag on him for something that, A: he’s already been punished for, and B: happened in 2016. Another reason could be due to meta-roleplaying each individual character as their own individual. Whatever the reason, I doubt it’s because he’s afraid CCP will smash his character with the banhammer should this theory be confirmed. ---
**Author:** ![Ugren\_Okaski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ugren_okaski/32/181459_2.png) [@Ugren\_Okaski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ugren_Okaski)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2020, 1:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219/601 "2020-02-24T01:04:44Z")
> [@Valiran\_Teleros](#): > > I don’t believe it works that way. I thought it is considered a some form of ban evasion, usually. Would be cool if EVE does not follow the pattern and allows playing from alts even for banned characters. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219.md?page=27) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/my-contribution-to-the-highsec-lobby-initiative/219219.md?page=29)